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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:43 pm

The guy is a clown. A paranoid clown. But a clown just the same.
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:43 pm

Oops, posted at the same time as SM... :lol:
“I noticed this morning that a group of our Landsberg friends have been given their freedom this morning. These include...Schubert, Jost and Nosske. Schubert confessed to...supervising the execution of about 800 Jews...(referring to the order to clean up Simferopol)...Schubert managed to kill all the Jews (by Christmas 1941). Nosske was the one the other defendants called the biggest bloodhound....
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:46 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:Oops, posted at the same time as SM... :lol:
And a good thing too, that whopper needed stereo guffawing. You have to say, though, that he is stuck on a few mindless, er, simple themes, which he repeats, no matter the context, ad nauseam.
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by montgomery » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:50 pm

Balsamo wrote:
montgomery wrote:Huh?

My question stands for any of the others to answer whether or not their country comes first. I'm not particularly interested in your answer anymore.
I 'am' interested in why you're not!
Above everything else, I'm hearing your agenda as being pro-Israel expansion, which is the opposite of my antiwar agenda. That's because I can't see anything that could motivate a person to keep dwelling on the history of the holocaust, other than to use the sympathy it evokes to promote current ambitions.

I put that proposition to you but I'm much more interested in making sure the others become more aware of what I think makes you tick. And I'm sensing that a couple of the others are starting to break loose of the fear of saying something that doesn't please you.

Of course there's always the ghoulish S&M factor to be considered, but that doesn't seem to apply to you.
Or maybe...just maybe...you could have a look on some threads dedicated to Israel matters on this sub-forum and make yourself an idea on where each member stands on the issue. As in all gathering of people, there are various positions.

That being said, this thread is dedicated to the rise of the far right in Europe.

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That's because I can't see anything that could motivate a person to keep dwelling on the history of the holocaust, other than to use the sympathy it evokes to promote current ambitions.
Lol.
It is a sub-forum dedicated to Holocaust Denial...And we had pretty good historical debate on this specific historical event. The Holocaust does not need this sub-forum nor any of its members to promote sympathy.
As a fact we are dealing with historical aspect not memory or memorialization here.

Dwelling on history is the historian's job, and of course a hobby for anyone interested in history or a specific historical event.

If you are not interested in history and/or in this specific historical event, then you are probably on the wrong forum.
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Is your interest America first? Yes, I'm interested in history and I'll decide if this forum is right for me.
This thread, and all other threads in this section of the forum is dedicated to whatever topic somebody wants to discuss. There doesn't seem to be anything that could be declared off-topic. Spamming and namecalling not being on-topic anywhere on this forum.

I'm pretty much convinced that Stat.Mech.'s agenda is more in sync with israel's expansionist ambitions than anything to do with history. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that his expenses for his trip to Sweden are paid for by Aipac.

The fact is, regardless of motives, support of Zionist expansion plans for Israel if not in America's best interests anymore. A big part of antiwar.com's agenda is in exposing that. First it's libertarian promotion of course.

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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:53 pm

montgomery wrote:
Balsamo wrote:
montgomery wrote:Huh?

My question stands for any of the others to answer whether or not their country comes first. I'm not particularly interested in your answer anymore.
I 'am' interested in why you're not!
Above everything else, I'm hearing your agenda as being pro-Israel expansion, which is the opposite of my antiwar agenda. That's because I can't see anything that could motivate a person to keep dwelling on the history of the holocaust, other than to use the sympathy it evokes to promote current ambitions.

I put that proposition to you but I'm much more interested in making sure the others become more aware of what I think makes you tick. And I'm sensing that a couple of the others are starting to break loose of the fear of saying something that doesn't please you.

Of course there's always the ghoulish S&M factor to be considered, but that doesn't seem to apply to you.
Or maybe...just maybe...you could have a look on some threads dedicated to Israel matters on this sub-forum and make yourself an idea on where each member stands on the issue. As in all gathering of people, there are various positions.

That being said, this thread is dedicated to the rise of the far right in Europe.

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That's because I can't see anything that could motivate a person to keep dwelling on the history of the holocaust, other than to use the sympathy it evokes to promote current ambitions.
Lol.
It is a sub-forum dedicated to Holocaust Denial...And we had pretty good historical debate on this specific historical event. The Holocaust does not need this sub-forum nor any of its members to promote sympathy.
As a fact we are dealing with historical aspect not memory or memorialization here.

Dwelling on history is the historian's job, and of course a hobby for anyone interested in history or a specific historical event.

If you are not interested in history and/or in this specific historical event, then you are probably on the wrong forum.
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Is your interest America first? Yes, I'm interested in history and I'll decide if this forum is right for me.
This thread, and all other threads in this section of the forum is dedicated to whatever topic somebody wants to discuss. There doesn't seem to be anything that could be declared off-topic. Spamming and namecalling not being on-topic anywhere on this forum.

I'm pretty much convinced that Stat.Mech.'s agenda is more in sync with israel's expansionist ambitions than anything to do with history. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that his expenses for his trip to Sweden are paid for by Aipac.

The fact is, regardless of motives, support of Zionist expansion plans for Israel if not in America's best interests anymore. A big part of antiwar.com's agenda is in exposing that. First it's libertarian promotion of course.
Let me make this clear to you:

Balsamo is not an American citizen.

I imagine he finds your attempt to peg him to the whole “America First” thing funny as hell.
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by montgomery » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:55 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:What’s really funny about this is that Balsamo is not an American. “America First” means nothing to him.

:D
It's mildly amusing that I got caught making the assumption that he might have been.

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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:59 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:I imagine he finds your attempt to peg him to the whole “America First” thing funny as hell.
At least as funny as I find Asshat's attempt to peg me as - what was it? - oh yeah - as saying that my "agenda is more in sync with israel's expansionist ambitions than anything to do with history." And stating of me that he "wouldn't be surprised to learn that his expenses for his trip to Sweden are paid for by Aipac." LOL, my wife wishes someone was picking up the tab, but not {!#%@} AIPAC!
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by montgomery » Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:26 pm

You're not America first and that is necessary in being consistent with the Zionist agenda of expansion. Their agenda can only be legitimized by pity for the plight of the Jews, over 70 years ago. There's no other justification of apartheid possible.

You have lots of company within Aipac and so if you're not one of their supporters then you're at least certainly at odds with their agenda.

I'll stay vigilant to hear any real criticism of the Aipac agenda from you. It's a hard thing to fake!

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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:31 pm

FFS....
Maybe we can get back to discussing the Holocaust? Also this thread is self-explanatory on what the topic is. Montgomery, my suggestion is to take the Israel stuff back to the appropriate thread.
“I noticed this morning that a group of our Landsberg friends have been given their freedom this morning. These include...Schubert, Jost and Nosske. Schubert confessed to...supervising the execution of about 800 Jews...(referring to the order to clean up Simferopol)...Schubert managed to kill all the Jews (by Christmas 1941). Nosske was the one the other defendants called the biggest bloodhound....
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:34 pm

montgomery wrote:You're not America first
Holy crap, you got one!
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:34 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:FFS....
Maybe we can get back to discussing the Holocaust? Also this thread is self-explanatory on what the topic is. Montgomery, my suggestion is to take the Israel stuff back to the appropriate thread.
Ssssshhhhh, Mossad, not AIPAC, is funding me . . .
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:37 pm

Another prominent Sweden Democrat is dropping his candidacy, on account of corruption charges reported in Aftonbladet. Seeing them up close, and reading about them daily, they come across like a bunch of losers and thugs.
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

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Jeffk 1970 wrote:FFS....
Maybe we can get back to discussing the Holocaust? Also this thread is self-explanatory on what the topic is. Montgomery, my suggestion is to take the Israel stuff back to the appropriate thread.
I'm trying to remain respectful of your opinions. Mainly because there's little else that's respectable around here. But please don't bring up my straying off topic if you're willing to do it yourself and suffer it being done consistently by all the others. And especially when you have nothing to say about the personal insults and spamming.

We used to tell our children to respect their elders. Now we are more likely to suggest to children that they need to respect their elders if their elders are worthy of respect.

I'm going to continue to harp on the insults and the spamming and by doing that I'm taking the high ground. Why don't you come along with me on doing that at least? Then if we can accomplish that we can begin to have a serious discussion. I challenge you to risk it!

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:49 pm

I came across this on a walk in the woods today, near a newly built community outside the city, the kind of place sometimes called a no-go zone, a campaign slogan chalked onto the path:

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It reads: Are you also tired of racism? F! [Feminist Initiative]
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:05 pm

montgomery wrote:FFS....
Maybe we can get back to discussing the Holocaust? Also this thread is self-explanatory on what the topic is. Montgomery, my suggestion is to take the Israel stuff back to the appropriate thread.

I'm trying to remain respectful of your opinions.
Thanks.
Mainly because there's little else that's respectable around here. But please don't bring up my straying off topic if you're willing to do it yourself and suffer it being done consistently by all the others. And especially when you have nothing to say about the personal insults and spamming.
No, what I would say is it gets confusing seeing comments from a bunch of topics showing up in different threads. What I would say is to leave the Israel stuff in the appropriate thread. This topic isn’t about that.

I'm going to continue to harp on the insults and the spamming and by doing that I'm taking the high ground. Why don't you come along with me on doing that at least? Then if we can accomplish that we can begin to have a serious discussion. I challenge you to risk it!

Here’s my suggestion and I’ve brought this up previously but let me provide you with a more extensive answer.

If you want to discuss Israel then take it back to the appropriate thread. That way those who want to discuss that topic with you can do so. BTW if you take the time to read the comments there you will see the lot of us aren’t the biggest Israel supporters. It’s the wrong tack to take with us.

Next, if there are specific topics you want to discuss about the Holocaust I’m sure you can find it. Failing that come up with a thread of your own. That way those who want to talk to you can do so.

It also helps if you give us an idea of your knowledge level.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:07 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:It also helps if you give us an idea of your knowledge level.
He has. Repeatedly.
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That's what is most to do with the reason why you are interested in what's happening in Sweden. And you've put it here on the holocaust section because of how it's related, right?

Do you think that America turning toward socialism would be the safest for Israel's chances of continuing U.S. support of money and weapons?

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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:16 pm

Oh, FFS, I am out.
“I noticed this morning that a group of our Landsberg friends have been given their freedom this morning. These include...Schubert, Jost and Nosske. Schubert confessed to...supervising the execution of about 800 Jews...(referring to the order to clean up Simferopol)...Schubert managed to kill all the Jews (by Christmas 1941). Nosske was the one the other defendants called the biggest bloodhound....
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:22 pm

montgomery wrote:That's what is most to do with the reason why you are interested in what's happening in Sweden. And you've put it here on the holocaust section because of how it's related, right?
No, I opened this thread, on populist and nationalist movements in Europe, to advance Zionism and to support Israel's settlements and hopefully one day nuke Iran, that is, after grabbing gobs of land in Syria. Don't you see?

I will share this with you. It is a sample of the kind of work I've done on behalf of Zionism in the thread which Jeffk mentioned: viewtopic.php?f=39&t=28699&start=280#p647387 and viewtopic.php?f=39&t=28699&start=240#p647221
montgomery wrote:Do you think that America turning toward socialism would be the safest for Israel's chances of continuing U.S. support of money and weapons?
Didn’t the Jews invent socialism?
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by montgomery » Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:27 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
montgomery wrote:FFS....
Maybe we can get back to discussing the Holocaust? Also this thread is self-explanatory on what the topic is. Montgomery, my suggestion is to take the Israel stuff back to the appropriate thread.

I'm trying to remain respectful of your opinions.
Thanks.
Mainly because there's little else that's respectable around here. But please don't bring up my straying off topic if you're willing to do it yourself and suffer it being done consistently by all the others. And especially when you have nothing to say about the personal insults and spamming.
No, what I would say is it gets confusing seeing comments from a bunch of topics showing up in different threads. What I would say is to leave the Israel stuff in the appropriate thread. This topic isn’t about that.

I'm going to continue to harp on the insults and the spamming and by doing that I'm taking the high ground. Why don't you come along with me on doing that at least? Then if we can accomplish that we can begin to have a serious discussion. I challenge you to risk it!

Here’s my suggestion and I’ve brought this up previously but let me provide you with a more extensive answer.

If you want to discuss Israel then take it back to the appropriate thread. That way those who want to discuss that topic with you can do so. BTW if you take the time to read the comments there you will see the lot of us aren’t the biggest Israel supporters. It’s the wrong tack to take with us.

Next, if there are specific topics you want to discuss about the Holocaust I’m sure you can find it. Failing that come up with a thread of your own. That way those who want to talk to you can do so.
I hear you. But I also hear your criticism of me taking threads off-topic and no criticism whatsoever from you when all the others do it continuously. And again, no criticism at all from you on the personal attacks and spamming.

That doesn't work Jeff and I'm asking you to be more fair about it. I don't wish to alienate you and drive you back to your previous demeanor but I'm not going to allow this issue to be swept under the rug.

If 'anybody' thinks he/she can be more critical of what I'm doing on any of the threads right now, then they should state their case. I will say that the person (s) that deserve the criticism are those who can't rise about the petty bull--it personal attacks. That's before we even get around to discussing the holocaust! Paranoia or what??
It also helps if you give us an idea of your knowledge level.
I have given you some and will try to give you more when we obtain a level of decency on this forum that is conducive to an open discussion. Right now I am at a point where nearly everything that is said by either side in a holocaust debate, can't be trusted as the truth. If anything, the current trend is toward believing less and less of the claims from the radical fringe because of how so much has been revised in both directions. That's why I continue to insist that a debater can't ask for his/her mistakes back as if they were of no consequence.

Best that you continue to keep yourself above criticism by others because if you unduly criticize, you will end up on the receiving end if you have left yourself open. Stat.Mech., balmoral, D-H. and their ilk are always wide open!

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:32 pm

Ilks of the world unite!
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:Ilks of the world unite!
Wait, how many people to an ilk?

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montgomery wrote:You're not America first and that is necessary in being consistent with the Zionist agenda of expansion. Their agenda can only be legitimized by pity for the plight of the Jews, over 70 years ago. There's no other justification of apartheid possible.

You have lots of company within Aipac and so if you're not one of their supporters then you're at least certainly at odds with their agenda.

I'll stay vigilant to hear any real criticism of the Aipac agenda from you. It's a hard thing to fake!

Isn't your "America first" president the one who just cut any financing to the Palestinians, who is still giving his Fascist lad Bibi everything he wants? who moved the US embassy to Jerusalem? and who is denying every principles which were the basis for a peace settlement in the region?

For your information, i was among the few who supported Walt and Mearsheimer when they published their article back then, and i posted in that direction on this very forum a long time ago. Did you read it?

Trump did make a speech at the Aipac too, you know. So i am kind of lost with your stance here. Do you really think that "America first" will suddenly free the Palestinian people? It does not seem to go in that direction.

I guess that if you really had wanted to help peace in the middle east you should have voted Bernie Sanders, as Statmec probably did and as i would have had I been American. I am pretty sure you did not.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:18 am

>> you should have voted Bernie Sanders, as Statmec probably did

Guilty as charged. :)
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:11 am

This morning I've read more speculation from Swedish political scientists about the election outcome: it is clear that the government will be more right-wing than the current government, which is, in European terms, a right-wing socialist government.

One thought is that no party or bloc will be able to form a new government, in which case the current minority Social Democrat-Green government would stay on for some time, months or a year, until new elections. However, the right-wing Moderaterna have said that they will force a vote on whether the current government remains - they will need Sweden Democrat cooperation to win that vote.

A second thought is that, for all their bluster, the parties in the Alliance will form a government with votes from the Sweden Democrats - the Sweden First party - in the Riksdag on key issues like the budget. The Sweden Democrats have stated that no matter what government is formed, they will be big enough now (20%?) in the Riksdag to have say over immigration and migration issues.

A proposed Reds-Greens bloc itself cannot form a stable government as the three parties - Social Democrats, Left, and Greens - will not have more than 40-odd percent in the Riksdag, according to the latest polling. Where such a government would turn for support in the Riksdag for votes on the budget and other key legislation is not clear.

Last, only by entering into coalition with some of the parties on the right - presumably the Center and Liberals - could the Social Democrats and Greens possibly form a majority government. As the Center and Liberals are projected to win about 14% of the seats in the Riksdag, even a Social Democrat-Green-Liberal-Center coalition might still be a minority (48% according to the DN/Ipsos poll) and serve with selective votes from the Left, which might no longer be forthcoming.

A last note: if the Sweden Democrats do achieve 20% of the vote, that would be a big deal; if, however, they wind up where current polling has them - 16%+ - it would represent a gain of just 2-3% over 2014. The Moderaterna, the ruling party before 2014, and the Social Democrats look to be the two biggest support losers in this campaign.

At the same time, the Center party - proudly socially liberal and welcoming to immigrants - should gain about 3-4% in this election, and the Left party may gain 5% over last election: so there is a degree of increased political fragmentation seen in the growth of smaller parties opposed to populist-nationalism. In fact, both these parties - one generally to the right of the Social Democrats, one to the left - criticize the Social Democrats for having gone to the right on immigration and migration. All this complicates the post-election landscape.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:36 am

I realize that my last post could be misunderstood as being about Israel and Zionism. So be it.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:I realize that my last post could be misunderstood as being about Israel and Zionism. So be it.
So far it's off-topic for this section of the forum but that doesn't seem to matter in your case. I presume you'll eventually make the connection to holocaust denying?

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:59 pm

>> I presume you'll eventually make the connection to holocaust denying?

As with most everything you do, you assume incorrectly. You don't have a clue about why this thread is here. Which is fine by me. (Hint: I opened it as a Trojan horse for the Zionist lobby.)
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:29 pm

A YouGov poll published today on Sunday's elections in Sweden varies from most other recent polls: it has the nativist Sweden Democrats in 1st place, as the largest party, with 24.8% preference. The poll also shows the Greens falling short of the 4% minimum required to enter the Riksdag.

OTOH the Demoskop poll (associated with Expressen) puts the Sweden Democrats at 18.2%, and the Poll of Polls, which I've cited in many posts in this thread, has the SD at 19% in its latest release. The Svenska Dagbladet poll shows the SD at 17%.

All the above polls have the Red-Green bloc ahead of the conservative/right-wing Alliance - by from 1% to 4%.

Also, today an analysis piece in Dagens Nyheter reprised US debates on Trumpism, arguing that the SD's support correlates to economic victims of the 2008-2009 world downturn, not to nativism. I discussed this piece with members of left-leaning parties today - they were quite dismissive of the argument, accepting it only to the extent that they believe that the rightward turn of the Social Democrats has cost them support. The top flyer being distributed by the SDs, I will note, is entitled, "Foreign Criminals Will Be Removed."
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

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Is the title SD the sole reason you have made your pilgrimage to Sweden? Considering the level of paranioa you're displaying on this forum, it seems that is about all it would take. And then there's that ethereal connection to the holocaust that nobody has been able to make work so far?

What does your wife think of all this and especially, what does she think when she reads your 6th. grade level comments on this board?

Or do you keep that hidden from her and other people who would spit in the face of any such cowardly lion.

Mr. chairman of the conference, you should see what I say when I'm hiding behind a computer monitor!! Me, stat.mech., an American visitor to your country who will be representing America as it's ambassador of political affairs! Heh!

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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Balmoral95 » Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:55 pm

montgomery wrote:Is the title SD the sole reason you have made your pilgrimage to Sweden? Considering the level of paranioa you're displaying on this forum, it seems that is about all it would take. And then there's that ethereal connection to the holocaust that nobody has been able to make work so far?

What does your wife think of all this and especially, what does she think when she reads your 6th. grade level comments on this board?

Or do you keep that hidden from her and other people who would spit in the face of any such cowardly lion.

Mr. chairman of the conference, you should see what I say when I'm hiding behind a computer monitor!! Me, stat.mech., an American visitor to your country who will be representing America as it's ambassador of political affairs! Heh!
Do people make "pilgrimage" to Sweden? What for? Could it be the undersized meatballs?

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:11 pm

montgomery wrote:Is the title SD the sole reason you have made your pilgrimage to Sweden?
No.

I visit Sweden 2 or so times a year; but I have to disabuse you of something: no one, least of all me, would make a pilgrimage to this quite secular country. I come for the surströmming, but I don't like that getting around. So keep it on the hush-hush.
montgomery wrote:And then there's that ethereal connection to the holocaust that nobody has been able to make work so far?
Maybe one day you will be able to make a meaningful stab at explaining what it is that's bugging you.
montgomery wrote:What does your wife think of all this and especially, what does she think when she reads your 6th. grade level comments on this board?
She is much harder on Nazi apologists and fascists than I am: like Eichmann, she has some rich suggestions about this.
montgomery wrote:Or do you keep that hidden from her and other people who would spit in the face of any such cowardly lion.
Good grief, no, she chides me for my moderate tone and for going too easy on Nazi wannabes.
montgomery wrote:Mr. chairman of the conference, you should see what I say when I'm hiding behind a computer monitor!! Me, stat.mech., an American visitor to your country who will be representing America as it's ambassador of political affairs! Heh!
????? It would help your posts to connect them to reality. Just sayin'.
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:12 pm

Populism and nationalism in Europe is, clearly, another topic montgomery has no interest in but true to form he has decided to litter a thread on the topic with typical, uninteresting diversions.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:08 pm

Balmoral95 wrote:Do people make "pilgrimage" to Sweden? What for? Could it be the undersized meatballs?
turns out the meatballs are from Turkey anyway: 'My whole life has been a lie': Sweden admits meatballs are Turkish: Turks don’t mince their words as they relish news that Ikea’s famous dish is not Swedish
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:26 pm

My whole world is shattered..... :lol:
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
montgomery wrote:Is the title SD the sole reason you have made your pilgrimage to Sweden?
No.

I visit Sweden 2 or so times a year; but I have to disabuse you of something: no one, least of all me, would make a pilgrimage to this quite secular country. I come for the surströmming, but I don't like that getting around. So keep it on the hush-hush.
montgomery wrote:And then there's that ethereal connection to the holocaust that nobody has been able to make work so far?
Maybe one day you will be able to make a meaningful stab at explaining what it is that's bugging you.
montgomery wrote:What does your wife think of all this and especially, what does she think when she reads your 6th. grade level comments on this board?
She is much harder on Nazi apologists and fascists than I am: like Eichmann, she has some rich suggestions about this.
montgomery wrote:Or do you keep that hidden from her and other people who would spit in the face of any such cowardly lion.
Good grief, no, she chides me for my moderate tone and for going too easy on Nazi wannabes.
montgomery wrote:Mr. chairman of the conference, you should see what I say when I'm hiding behind a computer monitor!! Me, stat.mech., an American visitor to your country who will be representing America as it's ambassador of political affairs! Heh!
????? It would help your posts to connect them to reality. Just sayin'.
Interesting about your wife! I can't quite believe it even though I would really like to believe you're married to that sort of person. Do you and your wife pull the wings off of houseflies when you have free time together? :lol:

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Post by Balmoral95 » Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:43 pm

A fine example of a rapier-like wit..... :roll:

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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Jeff_36 » Thu Sep 06, 2018 1:47 am

montgomery wrote: Is your interest America first? Yes, I'm interested in history and I'll decide if this forum is right for me.
You appear to be peddling an agenda.
This thread, and all other threads in this section of the forum is dedicated to whatever topic somebody wants to discuss.


This is a wide-ranging, free flowing thread, yes. However, other threads here are laser-focused on specific issues - see Nessie on mass gassings at Auschwitz Birkenau for instance.
There doesn't seem to be anything that could be declared off-topic. Spamming and namecalling not being on-topic anywhere on this forum.
If I started discussing, say, psychic encounters with shape-shifting inter-dimensional Egyptian pagan deities in the "General Books/Reading" thread, I would be reprimanded, and in all likelihood suspended. (that actually happened in another subforum here btw).
I'm pretty much convinced that Stat.Mech.'s agenda is more in sync with israel's expansionist ambitions than anything to do with history. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that his expenses for his trip to Sweden are paid for by Aipac.
That is offensive on so many levels. Allow me to enumerate.

1. StatMech (and the rest of the posers here) oppose the Likud agenda in the Occupied West Bank. There have been pages of posts on that subject available for your viewing.

2. The fact that you label anyone who debunks Holocaust Denial (which is a painfully easy endevour, really) as a representative of Isreali interests is a lame, paranoid, and absurd argument. Call it the last shudder of a cornered rat of you want. I really don't give a {!#%@}.

3. Your addled flummery about secret aipac funding for Swedesh vacations is indicative of gutter-level antisemitism.
The fact is, regardless of motives, support of Zionist expansion plans for Israel if not in America's best interests anymore. A big part of antiwar.com's agenda is in exposing that. First it's libertarian promotion of course.
Alex? Is that you? Alex Jones?

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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Jeff_36 » Thu Sep 06, 2018 1:49 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:Oh, FFS, I am out.
I'm in like Flynn

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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Jeff_36 » Thu Sep 06, 2018 1:53 am

montgomery wrote:You're not America first and that is necessary in being consistent with the Zionist agenda of expansion. Their agenda can only be legitimized by pity for the plight of the Jews, over 70 years ago. There's no other justification of apartheid possible.
Hey guys, remember what I said about how CC/Been-There was an example of far-left antisemetisim? Like Corbyn and Momentum in the UK? Well it looks like we've got another one here.
You have lots of company within Aipac and so if you're not one of their supporters then you're at least certainly at odds with their agenda.
I'll link you the damn thread. It goes a few pages. Statmech, Balsamo, and Myself TB was a good guy, we just had disagreements is all.
I'll stay vigilant to hear any real criticism of the Aipac agenda from you. It's a hard thing to fake!
See above. I seriously think that you're just trolling btw. Has Ian Hazard forgot his old password?
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