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Post by Denying-History » Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:57 pm

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
montgomery wrote:Let's hope this isn't an indication of U.S. style street violence between the Socialist lets and the neo-Nazi extreme right in Sweden.
It's unbecoming for a nation that is claimed to be one of the most happy countries in the world. Top 3 or 4 I think?
"Socialist lets" of the world unite!

This montgomery apparently didn't bother to read what I posted about this year's Swedish election campaign. The Nordiska motståndsrörelsen march I posted about was protested peacefully by a couple 100s of people and the very non-socialist Center Party; there was no violence, just a gaggle of frustrated neo-Nazis. The election thuggery in the city square I wrote about was unprovoked and came from the far-right Sweden Democrats.

That said, NMR marches and rallies have a history of violent encounters probably involving "Socialist lets" as well as the police. Which I wrote about a couple days ago.

2018 differs to 2010 when the "Socialist lets" tried to - and in some cases did (in Göteborg and elsewhere) - stop SD election marches/rallies: when police intervened because the "Socialist lets" hadn't gotten permits, the counter-demonstrators and police battled each other. The police came under criticism at the time for failing to provide a secure environment in which the far-right party could campaign.
First of all, please don't hang your hat on every typo. It's childish behavior on the internet these days that has been abandoned mostly because it's disruptive to keep on about it.

No, I didn't read what you had wrote and I don't read everything you write. If it's directed at me and it's halfway decent and polite, I probably will. As to neo-Nazi, far right, skinheads, they inevitably turn violent if given the opportunity. I don't see any reason you should defend them by giving them the benefit of the doubt.

And also fwiw, continually referring the the 'socialist lets' would be a good way of embarrassing a first grader who had made a grammar mistake that would not likely be a typo. Would that be a smart thing to do in order to demonstrate your superiority over a child? To a grown up, it's an indication of a flawed personality. Nuff said.
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> Bitch about others doing the same back.
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by montgomery » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:23 pm

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> Other person makes a typo - act like it’s the end of the world and so cryptic he cannot understand them.
> Bitch about others doing the same back.
What is your anger all about?

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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:39 pm

montgomery wrote:First of all, please don't hang your hat on every typo. It's childish behavior on the internet these days that has been abandoned mostly because it's disruptive to keep on about it.
Dude, it's merely a response to your harping on D-H's typos and quick posts . . . Jesus.
montgomery wrote:No, I didn't read what you had wrote and I don't read everything you write. If it's directed at me and it's halfway decent and polite, I probably will. As to neo-Nazi, far right, skinheads, they inevitably turn violent if given the opportunity. I don't see any reason you should defend them by giving them the benefit of the doubt.
You seem to be in the wrong thread. But the notion that Europeans have had to learn anti-fascist street fighting from Americans is quaint.
montgomery wrote:And also fwiw, continually referring the the 'socialist lets' would be a good way of embarrassing a first grader who had made a grammar mistake that would not likely be a typo. Would that be a smart thing to do in order to demonstrate your superiority over a child? To a grown up, it's an indication of a flawed personality. Nuff said.
LOL so it's time for you to apologize to D-H, tough guy.
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:42 pm

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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:07 pm

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Jeff_36 wrote:Whet do you think the odds are of an old-school freeze-out? Akin to the successful effort to exclude the Rex party from the national stage in Belgium in the 30's.
The impression I've gotten - take with grains of salt! - is that there is a distinct possibility of both the Moderaterna and the Christian Democrats entering a government, if the SDs are asked to form one. At least that is what the Left, Greens, Center, and Liberals all fear about them.
Here's a much better answer than mine, by Nicholas Aylott, associate professor of political science, Södertörn University, which agrees that the "old-school freeze-out" of the SDs is not a given by any means. Aylott projects some rather startling possibilities, such as the right-left coalitions dissolving and even the possibility of a government headed by Annie Lööf from the Center Party - on the basis that she could "emerge as the prime ministerial candidate whom newly elected Swedish parliamentarians dislike the least."

And a differing piece which answers, indirectly, that the cordon sanitaire remains intact - and that the right-left coalitions stay together. The party reps to whom I've spoken painted a picture more like Aylott's, with disintegrating blocs and no clear path forward - and the distinct possibility of a right-wing alliance of some sort that includes the far right, formerly neo-Nazi SD party. The look-feel of the SD campaigners I've seen reflects more the "farm folk" observation in this second piece than the young voters piece - just today, their campaign cottage attracted many young people (two young women one of whom was wearing a button saying "Feminist Socialist Activist," a group of people in their young 20s who kept shaking their heads in disbelief, three Muslim women wearing hijabs) who only engaged their reps in lengthy, heated arguments.
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

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Arrest warrant leak fuels suspicions of far-right links with German police-

The extreme right, neo-Nazi skinheads are becoming more and more emboldened and it's likely because of the US lead that's promoted by Trump.

After Trump and when the left begins to speak out for social responsibility in government, the rest of the world will stop this rightist nonsense too.

The key is capitalism with a social responsibility toward the people, not US style greedy capitalism. With that we can hope that the US support of Israel's apartheid regime and their slaughter of the Palestinian people won't be tolerated any longer. Lacking that there will be more and bigger revenge attacks such as 911.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:37 pm

I turned on the TV tonight to SVT1, and heard this whiny American speaking, I looked up and, yes, sigh, it was Richard Spencer in some kind of documentary/profile on his views about an ethnostate and European right wing movements, their impact in Sweden. Spencer was showing the interviewer a title by Richard Lynn and explaining its significance. Along with Spencer, officials from the Säpo (security police) are being interviewed, and researchers and journalists who study the extreme right. My Swedish is not good enough for me to grasp it . . . in fact, I put the TV on to hear Swedish and improve my listening. Richard effing Spencer . . . in Sweden.
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Aug 29, 2018 8:46 pm

In a pre-election special on SVT tonight, the leaders of the 8 main political parties in Sweden were asked to place their parties on a graph - y-axis with strong state (stark stat) at the top and weak state (svag stat) at the bottom - x-axis with höger (right) and vänster (left). Here's a (very rough) sketch of where the party leaders placed their parties - with Moderaterna furthest right and Vänster (Left), as you'd expect, furthest left. The Sweden Democrats and the Greens see themselves as the most centrist parties in both dimensions.

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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

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When asked the question, all political parties will attempt to place themselves close to the center. Even extreme right neo-Nazi skinheads, as is evidenced here with your little graph. Did you invent it or did you copy it from somewhere?

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:08 am

About 85% of voting-age Swedes voted in the 2014 elections (in the US, the % voting in 2016 dropped to less than 56%). http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... countries/
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Post by ElectricMonk » Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:44 am

A newly arrived extreme-right violent Nazi hategroup in Europe is a direct import from the US:

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:03 am

I spoke further today to a representative of the Centerpartiet who told me point blank - I asked him Jeff_36’s freeze out question directly - that his party cannot join a coalition with the Social Democrats on two grounds: unions and governing style/behavior. He believes that it is distinctly possible that the Moderaterna would be willing to enter a governing coalition with the Sweden Democrats. I spoke also to a representative of the Left party who wants a governing coalition of the Social Democrats, Greens and Left and doesn’t see how cooperation of the Social Democrats and Center + Liberals could come about, again on the ground of attitudes toward unions.
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:15 am

>> Did you invent it or did you copy it from somewhere?

Such a puzzler.
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:>> Did you invent it or did you copy it from somewhere?

Such a puzzler.

Did you invent it or did you copy it from somewhere?

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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

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Are you playing dumb or are you really this stupid?
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sun Sep 02, 2018 5:54 am

another view of Bannon's activity in Europe: "A Hungarian-Italian bromance could become Europe's Trojan horse"
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:35 pm

With a week until the Swedish elections, The Grauniad reports that "Anti-migrant sentiment fuels Swedish far right as election looms: Popular concern looks set to propel Sweden Democrats to a possible 20% of the vote"

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So, about 43% for the "left," although the left credentials of the Social Democrats are pretty shot, if the Left party enters the governing coalition; about 37% for the opposition conservatives, the Alliance; and about 17% for the far right Sweden Democrats.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:With a week until the Swedish elections, The Grauniad reports that "Anti-migrant sentiment fuels Swedish far right as election looms: Popular concern looks set to propel Sweden Democrats to a possible 20% of the vote"

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So, about 43% for the "left," although the left credentials of the Social Democrats are pretty shot, if the Left party enters the governing coalition; about 37% for the opposition conservatives, the Alliance; and about 17% for the far right Sweden Democrats.
I'm not quite sure yet how this ties in with your motive of trying to be the biggest promoter of this H-D section of the forum. I think that's because I haven't taken the time to even be interested enough to figure it out. You can tell us if you care to?

Otherwise, your main motive is promotion of Israel at America's expense. That's different from the others, in that their first loyalty is to America. Excepting balmoral and maybe D-H whose main purpose is to vent their anger over their miserable lot in life. Whatever it is that's bothering them? I'll work on figuring out just what makes those two tick.

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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

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montgomery wrote:I'm not quite sure yet how this ties in with your motive of trying to be the biggest promoter of this H-D section of the forum. I think that's because I haven't taken the time to even be interested enough to figure it out. You can tell us if you care to?
I am trying to figure out how obtuse someone must be to post such gibberish.
montgomery wrote:Otherwise, your main motive is promotion of Israel at America's expense.
You seem to have taken leave of your senses.
montgomery wrote:I'll work on figuring out just what makes those two tick.
You do that. If you crack that nut, you will win a Nobel Prize.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:03 am

montgomery wrote:.. your main motive is promotion of Israel at America's expense. That's different from the others, in that their first loyalty is to America. ...
more of my shameless and consistent promotion of Israel
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
montgomery wrote:.. your main motive is promotion of Israel at America's expense. That's different from the others, in that their first loyalty is to America. ...
more of my shameless and consistent promotion of Israel
If that link makes your point for you then go ahead and explain how in a polite way. I'm not going to read it just on good faith. There hasn't been any of that developed here yet.

I'm open to hearing how you consider America first, as opposed to another foreign country. Rudeness will always detract from any message you attempt to have accepted by others. Keep that in mind if you want to bother.

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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:34 pm

A member of the Left party told me today that his party hopes for 10% (a stretch) in Sweden’s election, a week from today, and that the Sweden Democrats will likely get 20% despite their recent polling swoon. We figured that, even so, the US is in worse shape with over 40% of Americans voting for the racist party.
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:A member of the Left party told me today that his party hopes for 10% (a stretch) in Sweden’s election, a week from today, and that the Sweden Democrats will likely get 20% despite their recent polling swoon. We figured that, even so, the US is in worse shape with over 40% of Americans voting for the racist party.
Thank you! But I don't see how that link pertains to your use of it to show that you are or are not America first. Explain further if you like?

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:07 pm

Perhaps that is because I am not discussing your nonsensical question, which elsewhere you claim you haven't asked me! LOL

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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

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Continue to be yourself, I'm happy with that. In fact I have come to depend on it! LOL

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:39 pm

It's been a tough week for the Sweden Democrats, btw. Jimmy Åkesson, party leader, performed poorly in a session with SVT, sweating, fumbling, and blatantly lying. He was unable to state his own party's position on climate change and he lied about its position on hosting and rentals. According to Aftonbladet, "Åkesson was unusually defensive, placing SD as far out to the right as the Moderaterna and had difficulty remembering details and figures about his own policy." Aftonbladet further deemed Åkesson's discussion of Sweden's EU membership with Carl Bildt an embarrassment to Åkesson: "It was like witnessing a hundred-meter race between amateur Swedish athletes and Usain Bolt."

Also, fifteen or so Sweden Democrat candidates have had to be withdrawn as Expressen detailed their Nazi leanings and ties. One SD leader, Fredrik Andersson, was found to have posted racist jokes, jokes about the gas chambers, and greetings to "Adolf" online in 2012-2013. At the conclusion of an interview about this with Expressen, Andersson told the tabloid that by law, according to the SD press department, Expressen could not legally publish the interview with verbatim quotations: "Less than three hours after the Express published the announcement on Monday afternoon, the Swedish Democrats announce that Andersson resigns. Press Officer Christian Krappedal writes in an email: 'Fredrik Andersson withdraws his candidacy and leaves all his assignments in the party with immediate effect. He also leaves his membership in the party.'"
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An estimated 65,000 people attended the anti-racist, anti-far-right "#wirsindmehr" concert in Chemnitz yesterday.
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. . . another entry explaining my adherence and loyalty to Israel and Zionism over America First . . .

Dagens Nyheter/Ipsos poll released Monday on Swedish election (from my handwritten notes based on DN front page):

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So, a week to go and here is how it stands, pretty much in alignment with Reuters’ latest:

- opposition Alliance sits at 38.7% (+3.4% from 24 August)
- "reds-greens" (government coalition plus Left) at 42.2% (+1.0%)
- far right Sweden Democrats at 16.3% (-3.1%).

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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:. . . another entry explaining my adherence and loyalty to Israel and Zionism over America First . . .
That's off-topic here and we should discuss it on some other thread. If you like?

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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:. . . another entry explaining my adherence and loyalty to Israel and Zionism over America First . . .
That's off-topic here and we should discuss it on some other thread. If you like?
You are so full of wisecracks and dumbass sayings. Remember this?
montgomery wrote:I'm not quite sure yet how this ties in with your motive of trying to be the biggest promoter of this H-D section of the forum. I think that's because I haven't taken the time to even be interested enough to figure it out. You can tell us if you care to?

Otherwise, your main motive is promotion of Israel at America's expense. That's different from the others, in that their first loyalty is to America.
You posted it ... in this thread. For reasons known only to you. Like others, I couldn't make sense of the post. But there we have it.
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

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Huh?

My question stands for any of the others to answer whether or not their country comes first. I'm not particularly interested in your answer anymore.
I 'am' interested in why you're not!
Above everything else, I'm hearing your agenda as being pro-Israel expansion, which is the opposite of my antiwar agenda. That's because I can't see anything that could motivate a person to keep dwelling on the history of the holocaust, other than to use the sympathy it evokes to promote current ambitions.

I put that proposition to you but I'm much more interested in making sure the others become more aware of what I think makes you tick. And I'm sensing that a couple of the others are starting to break loose of the fear of saying something that doesn't please you.

Of course there's always the ghoulish S&M factor to be considered, but that doesn't seem to apply to you.

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montgomery wrote:Above everything else, I'm hearing your agenda as being pro-Israel expansion, which is the opposite of my antiwar agenda.
Where on god's green earth did you get such an idea - from posts about this fall's election in Sweden no less?
montgomery wrote:That's because I can't see anything that could motivate a person to keep dwelling on the history of the holocaust, other than to use the sympathy it evokes to promote current ambitions.
Your lack of imagination and limited knowledge of the world have nothing to do with my interests.
montgomery wrote:I put that proposition to you but I'm much more interested in making sure the others become more aware of what I think makes you tick. And I'm sensing that a couple of the others are starting to break loose of the fear of saying something that doesn't please you.
LOL, people have been posting things that "don't please me" in this forum since I started posting here. You really need to grow up.
montgomery wrote:Of course there's always the ghoulish S&M factor to be considered, but that doesn't seem to apply to you.
On second thought, are you ill?
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
montgomery wrote:Above everything else, I'm hearing your agenda as being pro-Israel expansion, which is the opposite of my antiwar agenda.
Where on god's green earth did you get such an idea - from posts about this fall's election in Sweden no less?

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Not from you and not from anything to do with Sweden. It's the only endgame that makes sense anymore. We're all quite aware that the Zionist main agenda is acquiring more lebesraum and the land that is granted to the Palestinian people won't suffice for long. This makes Syria the intended goal.

The American people are now coming to the realization that there is no reason for a US presense in Syria that will serve America's needs or purposes. When that fact settles in then the support of Zionism's goals are going to be severely threatened. Therein lies what I see as your endgame.

If you want to say otherwise then please do.

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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:08 pm

montgomery wrote:Not from you and not from anything to do with Sweden.
But of course you posted such nonsense in a thread on European nationalism and populism, in reply to a post on right-wing nationalism in Sweden.
montgomery wrote:It's the only endgame that makes sense anymore.
To you. Not to me or anyone else.
montgomery wrote:We're all quite aware that the Zionist main agenda is acquiring more lebesraum and the land that is granted to the Palestinian people won't suffice for long. This makes Syria the intended goal.
I think you've got me mixed up with someone else.
montgomery wrote:The American people are now coming to the realization that there is no reason for a US presense in Syria that will serve America's needs or purposes. When that fact settles in then the support of Zionism's goals are going to be severely threatened. Therein lies what I see as your endgame.
My opposition to US military intervention in Syria, not to mention Iraq? My disagreement with Israel's settlements policy and like that? That's somehow my endgame in participating in discussions about the history of Europe during the interwar years and WWII? Good grief, you are bereft.
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Balsamo » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:19 pm

montgomery wrote:Huh?

My question stands for any of the others to answer whether or not their country comes first. I'm not particularly interested in your answer anymore.
I 'am' interested in why you're not!
Above everything else, I'm hearing your agenda as being pro-Israel expansion, which is the opposite of my antiwar agenda. That's because I can't see anything that could motivate a person to keep dwelling on the history of the holocaust, other than to use the sympathy it evokes to promote current ambitions.

I put that proposition to you but I'm much more interested in making sure the others become more aware of what I think makes you tick. And I'm sensing that a couple of the others are starting to break loose of the fear of saying something that doesn't please you.

Of course there's always the ghoulish S&M factor to be considered, but that doesn't seem to apply to you.
Or maybe...just maybe...you could have a look on some threads dedicated to Israel matters on this sub-forum and make yourself an idea on where each member stands on the issue. As in all gathering of people, there are various positions.

That being said, this thread is dedicated to the rise of the far right in Europe.

Monty:
That's because I can't see anything that could motivate a person to keep dwelling on the history of the holocaust, other than to use the sympathy it evokes to promote current ambitions.
Lol.
It is a sub-forum dedicated to Holocaust Denial...And we had pretty good historical debate on this specific historical event. The Holocaust does not need this sub-forum nor any of its members to promote sympathy.
As a fact we are dealing with historical aspect not memory or memorialization here.

Dwelling on history is the historian's job, and of course a hobby for anyone interested in history or a specific historical event.

If you are not interested in history and/or in this specific historical event, then you are probably on the wrong forum.
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by montgomery » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:37 pm

Then what?

A concern that more than 2/3rds. of people who have heard of the holocaust think it's exaggerated? And you think you can fix that by posting here?

The only realistic current day explanation is that you're interested in promoting some legitimacy of Israel's expansion. Preferably without a war but not ruling out a ware with Syria. Either way, it's not America's interests first and you can't even allow yourself to claim you are an American first.

https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... rs/370870/

Personally, I think that support of the apartheid regime has become too costly for America's best interests. Israel is the biggest power in the M.E., now it's time to let them deal with their own problems that are of their own making.

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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:41 pm

montgomery wrote:Then what?

A concern that more than 2/3rds. of people who have heard of the holocaust think it's exaggerated? And you think you can fix that by posting here?
That is not what this subforum is about.
montgomery wrote:The only realistic current day explanation is that you're interested in promoting some legitimacy of Israel's expansion.
You wouldn't be making such an ass of yourself if you'd first familiarized yourself with the diversity of views on Israel among those who post here, as balsamo advised you.
montgomery wrote:Either way, it's not America's interests first and you can't even allow yourself to claim you are an American first.
Jesus wept, I truly doubt that balsamo will be claiming to be an American first :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
montgomery wrote:Personally, I think that support of the apartheid regime has become too costly for America's best interests. Israel is the biggest power in the M.E., now it's time to let them deal with their own problems that are of their own making.
We have a thread on Israel. Take your spam and paranoid ravings on the topic to that thread.
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:42 pm

What’s really funny about this is that Balsamo is not an American. “America First” means nothing to him.

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