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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Aaron Richards » Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:30 pm

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This popped up in my Facebook feed:
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It was passed off as an arrival at Treblinka. AFAIK there are no pictures of a train being unloaded at Treblinka so I became suspicious. I checked it against tineye and sure enough it was mis-captioned. It is a picture of Jews being prepped for transport out of the Warsaw.

The poster told me they found it cropped and captioned as an arrival. I showed them the uncropped version and provided them a link for tineye.
You can also tell by the residential buildings right behind the train that this is a train station in a city. Treblinka was way out in the country.
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:22 pm

This popped up in my Facebook feed.

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It is claimed to be a picture of Jews waiting to be deported to Treblinka. I checked tineye and found a list of photos here:

https://allthatsinteresting.com/jewish- ... -photos#27

This photo appears genuine. I glanced through some of pictures listed. Some I’ve seen, some I haven’t. It was interesting and sad at the same time.
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:59 pm

That is the Umschlagplatz in Warsaw, I am 98% sure. I seem to recall the lamppole, also the walls especially the one to the right (will check in Engelking & Leociak later). The plaza there looks ramshackle, could be during the 1943 roundups rather than the Great Deportation in 1942. Ask E. Hunt, he will know :)
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:13 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
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That is the Umschlagplatz in Warsaw, I am 98% sure. I seem to recall the lamppole, also the walls especially the one to the right (will check in Engelking & Leociak later). The plaza there looks ramshackle, could be during the 1943 roundups rather than the Great Deportation in 1942. Ask E. Hunt, he will know :)
I’ll have to find him on whatever whacked out conspiracy theory website he’s grinding on now.
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That’s how it was captioned, 1943. The site where I found it had a lot of pictures.
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:26 pm

I was arsed to go downstairs to the Hackenholt Memorial Library and peek into Engelking & Leociak. It is without doubt the Umschlagplatz. I think 1943 is a good guess, as the photos in Engelking & Leociak from 1942 don't look as dilapidated. Engelking & Leociak don't use that photo and don't have any images of the Umschlagplatz in 1943.
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:00 pm

If you confirm it, let me know. All sorts of pictures like that pop up in my Facebook feed. I already fixed one fake for one of the posters there. But I thought this was legit, I’ve just never seen it before.
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Gord » Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:18 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
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It is without doubt the Umschlagplatz.
It's on the wikipedia entry for Umschlagplatz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umschlagplatz

I also found this website with a different photo that is clearly of the same area: http://warszawa.wyborcza.pl/warszawa/56 ... z,,13.html
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:31 am

thanks, I am pretty sure that that's the photo with the lamppost I recalled . . .
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Balmoral95 » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:09 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
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thanks, I am pretty sure that that's the photo with the lamppost I recalled . . .
Are you kidding me? That's a Moscow forgery factory pic of a backerei in Gusen.... You can tell the lampost was a chimney that was added later.... Haven't you ever bothered to visit these places?


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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Jan 19, 2019 7:13 am

LOL
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:00 pm

Been-there weighs in with his mealy-mouthed views on the SK photos from Auschwitz-Birkenau:
https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=3603
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:31 pm

Not really related but I didn’t want to track the Stalingrad thread down:
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On this day in 1943 General Paulus surrenders to the Red Army. I’m sure this photo opp infuriated Onkel Dolfie (if he saw it).
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Re: This picture really bugs me

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I had to mess with this a bit to get it to work. I tried putting this in as an attachment but it didn’t work. I finally just tweeted the damn thing.

Arad states this was the sign placed in front of the gas chambers at Belzec. I didn’t know this existed.
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Aaron Richards » Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:27 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:22 pm
This popped up in my Facebook feed.

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It is claimed to be a picture of Jews waiting to be deported to Treblinka. I checked tineye and found a list of photos here:

https://allthatsinteresting.com/jewish- ... -photos#27

This photo appears genuine. I glanced through some of pictures listed. Some I’ve seen, some I haven’t. It was interesting and sad at the same time.
If any of you have watched the movie "The Pianist", they recreated this very same setting quite authentically. This place and this scene is imprinted into my mind, IMO one of the best scenes of the entire movie, worth a rent!

To contribute to this thread, I'll have you guys read this article about Treblinka from 1987 (which I stumbled upon when debating with a typical "lmao no human cremains were ever found at Treblinka" denier):

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1987/05/03 ... 547012800/

There is one sentence therein that caught my attention:
One Polish document carries photographs of people standing nude in the snow just before gassing.
At first I asked myself does such a photo really exist? If so, it would be a bombshell documenting the killing process at Treblinka (currently we only have the excavator photos).

Then I remembered this photo and fished it out of the web again:

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This photo is often associated with the Babi Yar massacre, but could it have been Treblinka?

It fits the description of men being gassed first, while women and children/babies had to wait near the passageway leading up to the gas chamber, the "Schlauch" or "Himmelsstrasse".

Also, according to geography, the gas chamber was located atop a "hill", an incline. The fact that the horizon isnt visible in this pic might explain the presence of an incline.
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:28 pm

Not sure where else to put this so:
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Balmoral95 » Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:36 am

Never seen the Belzec photo nor the eyeglasses. Have seen the other captioned several different ways...

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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:27 am

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I've read in a number of places (http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... tings.html) that this photo shows the victims from the Mizocz ghetto before they were shot in a ravine south of Rovno. According to this USHMM note, the Zentrale Stelle in Germany (Zst. II 204 AR 1218/70) has identified the photo:
Information regarding this action, including the photos, were acquired from a man named Hille, who was the Bezirks-Oberwachtmeister of the Gendarmerie at the time. Hille apparently gave the five photos (there were originally seven) to the company lawyer of a textile firm in Kunert, Czechoslovakia, where he worked as a doorman after the war. The Czech government confiscated the photos from the lawyer in 1946 and they subsequently became public. That the photos indeed show the shooting of Jews in connection with the liquidation of the ghetto was also confirmed by a statement of Gendarmerie-Gebietsfuehrer Josef Paur in 1961.
I may have come across the attribution to Babi Yar but have certainly seen the photo misidentified as from Treblinka. Another photo from the Mizocz action is often said to be of Babi Yar.
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:03 am

AFAIK there are no pictures of of any of the Action Reinhard Camps showing victims on their way to the gas chambers. Or detailed pictures of the layouts, transports disembarking, etc.
I remember some reference to possible pictures taken by Wehrmacht soldiers but I’ve never seen anything like that.
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Re: This picture really bugs me

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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:00 pm

I had to mess with this a bit to get it to work. I tried putting this in as an attachment but it didn’t work. I finally just tweeted the damn thing.

Arad states this was the sign placed in front of the gas chambers at Belzec. I didn’t know this existed.
Interesting, judging from the text of the sign it could be from Belzec indeed.

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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:03 am

I’ve glanced through tineye on this one. It is claimed to be a group of Jews about to be gassed at Chelmno:
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It’s a haunting picture. Anyone know more about the origins of this picture?
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:05 am

It’s the cover of Montague’s book. I’d like to know more about the origins of it, when it was taken, etc.
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:38 pm

These are interesting, I haven’t had a chance to run them through tineye:
https://sites.google.com/site/mrmooresw ... /treblinka
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Re: This picture really bugs me

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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
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These are interesting, I haven’t had a chance to run them through tineye:
https://sites.google.com/site/mrmooresw ... /treblinka
I think the owner of that site is mistaken - it's showing the village station, not the fake one at the camp. And the "arriving group" also seems not to fit any of the descriptions I have read. This site says "Jews being taken from Pinczw to the Treblinka death camp. October 1942.".


"The Zoo" seems correct, the image with the cart could be from the Treblinka labor camp. But I doubt even that.
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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
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It’s the cover of Montague’s book. I’d like to know more about the origins of it, when it was taken, etc.
Patrick Montague thinks it a picture of the Jewish work detail in Chelmno, perhaps taken in the "palace".

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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:25 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:
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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:38 pm
These are interesting, I haven’t had a chance to run them through tineye:
https://sites.google.com/site/mrmooresw ... /treblinka
I think the owner of that site is mistaken - it's showing the village station, not the fake one at the camp. And the "arriving group" also seems not to fit any of the descriptions I have read. This site says "Jews being taken from Pinczw to the Treblinka death camp. October 1942.".


"The Zoo" seems correct, the image with the cart could be from the Treblinka labor camp. But I doubt even that.

I thought the same with the labor camp. It’s doesn’t seem correct.
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Aaron Richards » Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:34 am

Not related to the holocaust, but I've come across this picture more than once and initially I thought it was a movie still. The descriptions put it as a group of crucified women during the Armenian genocide. Is there any merit to this? When was this image taken, where, how did it get into circulation? Most tineye links I tried gave me 404 errors or lead to blogs that have it along with an unlabeled collection of other historic photographs. Thanks.

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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:35 am

Aaron, I saw a picture like this on Twitter yesterday:


This one is from a different angle. I don’t know if either is authentic. I’ll check with D-H.
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:27 pm

same photo, flopped
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:16 pm

Aaron Richards wrote:
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Not related to the holocaust, but I've come across this picture more than once and initially I thought it was a movie still. The descriptions put it as a group of crucified women during the Armenian genocide. Is there any merit to this? When was this image taken, where, how did it get into circulation? Most tineye links I tried gave me 404 errors or lead to blogs that have it along with an unlabeled collection of other historic photographs. Thanks.

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Post by Darren Wilshak » Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:13 pm

Could well be Der es Zor, the main area of Armenian deportation and extermination south. Also compare the image and the topography of the scene photographed on this page.
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Post by Darren Wilshak » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:29 pm

Well it seems from that link I dropped Jeff that a film was made of the experiences of an Armenian genocide survivor and this female crucifixion scene is seen there too. Maybe that is where the the pic was taken from.

Whether its a re-enactment or documentary, the footage in this sole survivor of a once nine reels in totality, 1919 documentary film, 'Auction of Souls' ties in with the both these horrific female crucifixions and the desert locale.

Its seen at around the 21:40 mark in this youtube video of the film.
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Aaron Richards » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:07 pm

Darren Wilshak wrote:
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Its seen at around the 21:40 mark in this youtube video of the film.
Around the 22:00 mark you can see a closeup of one of the crucified girls, as she slowly looks upward and utters a prayer. At least that shot I am pretty sure is from a re-enactment, her hair and face look too well "prepped" for anything other than a shooting. Of course the film quality is low so its hard to focus on her hands to see if they are real nails or not. Then again, we have that vulture perching right next to her in the frame, so yes, it has to be a from a movie.

It's a shame that I am yet unable to find any kind of Armenian museum having published the image with a solid description regarding its history.
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