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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:50 pm

Judging from Tineye, the film still (shot in color) is widely used, often in b&w as in Oozy's post and sometimes with a caption, like “Just in case you forgot why we don’t praise Nazis in this country Dumb Asses” or “No Mr President these were not ‘very fine people’” or “Good Men . . . just doing their job enforcing the LAW” or even “Who in this photo is a Nazi? . . . According to NYT, this little Polish boy is a Nazi . . .”

Impossible to tell how much of that is in bad faith and how much naive . . . but the St Pete troll factory could produce this kind of stuff by the boatload.
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:52 pm

... and I think in this movie, the particular soldier who is about to shoot the child, finally saves the child and carried it away or something.

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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Aaron Richards » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:50 am

Here's another one I recently came across. I tried reverse image searching it, only came across a ton of chinese, russian and 404 forums with no discernible info as to its origin.

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My guess is that if it were authentic, it would certainly be featured on USHMM, Ghetto Fighters House etc. and since it isnt, it's probably from a documentary made in the soviet union re-enacting nazi atrocities some time in the 50s or 60s?
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:14 pm

Yeah, that doesn’t look particularly authentic to me.
Also, Donald Trump is a clownfraud who only got involved in this for the attention.

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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:28 am

Image

For those who have an interest:

https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi ... d_Army.jpg

Montgomery posted this in one of his threads. Because he has no real concept of the history he is trying to debunk he didn’t look the picture up to see what it was. The children in the picture are twins, saved for medical experimentation.
Also, Donald Trump is a clownfraud who only got involved in this for the attention.

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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by scrmbldggs » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:41 am

:hmm: Next up: "They look nothing like twins at all! Another holohoax debunked!" :victorydance:...
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:44 am

I'm pretty sure that this one's fake:

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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Balmoral95 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:45 am

scrmbldggs wrote:
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:hmm: Next up: "They look nothing like twins at all! Another holohoax debunked!" :victorydance:...
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by scrmbldggs » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:46 am

Sheesh! Holy moly! Blaaaaaahhhhhhhh! :lol:
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by scrmbldggs » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:47 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:44 am
I'm pretty sure that this one's fake:

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Prove it. :roll:
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:50 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:44 am
I'm pretty sure that this one's fake:

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Well, it would be a good disguise.

What about this one, do you think this one’s fake?

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Also, Donald Trump is a clownfraud who only got involved in this for the attention.

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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:55 am

LOL
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Balmoral95 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:58 am

scrmbldggs wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:46 am
Sheesh! Holy moly! Blaaaaaahhhhhhhh! :lol:
You laugh, they're actually 47 years old... 8-)

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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by scrmbldggs » Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:00 am

:hmm: You mean 4 and 7? :lol:
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by scrmbldggs » Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:01 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:50 am
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:44 am
I'm pretty sure that this one's fake:

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Well, it would be a good disguise.

What about this one, do you think this one’s fake?

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. :lol:



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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Balmoral95 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:03 am

scrmbldggs wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:00 am
:hmm: You mean 4 and 7? :lol:
Damn you HPers, busted me again.... can I get some moderation here for a serious discussion?

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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by scrmbldggs » Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:06 am

Sorry, dude. Serious Discussion has you on ignore. :-P
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Balmoral95 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:09 am

scrmbldggs wrote:
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Sorry, dude. Serious Discussion has you on ignore. :-P

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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by scrmbldggs » Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:15 am

Balmoral95 wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:09 am
scrmbldggs wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:06 am
Sorry, dude. Serious Discussion has you on ignore. :-P

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Um, sure, Scarley!
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Re: This picture really bugs me

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Aaron Richards wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:50 am
Here's another one I recently came across. I tried reverse image searching it, only came across a ton of chinese, russian and 404 forums with no discernible info as to its origin.

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My guess is that if it were authentic, it would certainly be featured on USHMM, Ghetto Fighters House etc. and since it isnt, it's probably from a documentary made in the soviet union re-enacting nazi atrocities some time in the 50s or 60s?
This is my favorite because it reminds me of the scary shadow on the wall. Probably shot by the same faker in hollywood around 1960.

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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Balmoral95 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:22 am

scrmbldggs wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:15 am
Balmoral95 wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:09 am
scrmbldggs wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:06 am
Sorry, dude. Serious Discussion has you on ignore. :-P

But I'm winning, dammit, and have 200 million followers.
Um, sure, Scarley!
Spoiler:
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:lol:

Your impolite behavior on this board clearly shows the hoax for what it is. It proves that my one witness debunking was true and correct and every academical study, archive, document is invalid. All of them. Why? Because I rendered judgement here on an internet forum.

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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by montgomery » Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:26 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:28 am
Image

For those who have an interest:

https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi ... d_Army.jpg

Montgomery posted this in one of his threads. Because he has no real concept of the history he is trying to debunk he didn’t look the picture up to see what it was. The children in the picture are twins, saved for medical experimentation.
No H.P.'er, you're lying. I didn't post that picture anywhere. But it could have turned up in a link I posted.
I don't post pictures.

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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:20 pm

Picture and background from Yad Vashem:

https://www.yadvashem.org/holocaust/thi ... 940-2.html
Also, Donald Trump is a clownfraud who only got involved in this for the attention.

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Re: This picture really bugs me

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:44 am
I'm pretty sure that this one's fake:

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This little scene reminds me of Tom Petty's song, 'Face in the crowd.'
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:47 pm

Some notes on Holocaust photography I made based on papers in Shared History - Divided Memory:

Żbikowski says that it's a mistake to assume that German photographs of pogrom actions in June-July 1941 are to be construed to mean that the Germans planned (or directed) the actions; other evidence is needed. This is because German propaganda teams ("Ever since the camera was invented, photographers have traveled with every army") and even amateur photographers took photographs throughout the zone conquered by the Germans: "The fact that images of pogroms were used in German propaganda does not prove that the pogroms were planned." Żbikowski doesn't dwell on this, but there are documents that show German planning and direction, particularly in the former Baltic states but also in Ukraine and much more variety in other areas. (p 324) But even in the Baltic states, at times the Wehrmacht and Abwehr acted to tamp down the pogroms, to maintain order, which the German police and East Ministry were encouraging. (pp 365-367)

Another caution on taking photographs too literally comes from the testimony of Zelig Tenenbaum (from an account of 1943) describing events in Grajewo in early July 1941. A German police unit first arrived in the town on 30 June; this was on the day following a pogrom by local Poles in which about 10 Jews were killed and 30 injured. On 30 June, with the German police now present, local Poles rounded up more Jews and guarded them; they were then ordered by the German police, according to Tenenbaum, "to point out the communists in the Jewish ranks." Tenenbaum said that the Poles eagerly identified anyone who came to mind and then beat those selected horribly: "Only the Poles did the beating. The Germans did not get involved: they only stood by, watched, laughed, and provided encouragement" for the Polish perpetrators. On 3 July a number of different units of Sipo arrived and ordered another roundup of Jews with a selection of supposed communists. This time the action was ordered by the Sipo officers who joined in the beating. Photographs of the action do not, however, show this; according to Tenenbaum, "the entire time the Gestapo photographed the Jews and the 'outbreak of the anger of the Polish people.' . . . The Gestapo officers stepped back in order not the be photographed by accident with the attackers." (pp 329-330)

Another propagandistic use of film by the Germans in the east was described by witness Mendel Melnicki. A pogrom, involving local Poles, had broken out in the town of Wasilków and the Field Gendarmerie post called German police in Białystok for reinforcements. According to Melnicki, "a vehicle arrived with Germans. The Germans dispelled the pogrom and, at the same time, made a film to show how the local Poles beat Jews and the Germans stopped them." The propaganda purpose of such a film, whilst showing what happened in Wasilków, depicted the Poles as murderous and the Germans as the force of order, contrary to what happened elsewhere, including where the Germans attempted to foment pogroms without being identified as the instigators (and often met with poor success). (p 333)

On this latter point, Stahlecker reported that Einsatzgruppe A had made attempts, "as far as this was possible" to take photographs and shoot films in Kaunas and Riga to, in his words, support a claim "that the first spontaneous executions of the Jews and communists was carried out by Lithuanians and Latvians" . . . "to create a provable fact that the liberated population itself, on its own, had resorted to the most stringent drastic measures against the Bolshevik and Jewish adversary, without any identifiable instructions by German authorities." (p 369) Stahlecker knew, of course, that his units were instigating pogroms, in line with Heydrich's order of 29 June 1941 (p 363). Thus Stahlecker wrote, just before the words quoted above on the propagandistic intentions of photographs and films, "Similarly, native anti-Semitic forces were induced to start pogroms against Jews during the first hours after capture, though this inducement proved to be very difficult. . . . In Lithuania this was achieved for the first time by partisan activities in Kowno. To our surprise it was not easy at first to set in motion an extensive pogrom against Jews. . . . It proved much more difficult to set in motion similar cleansing actions in Latvia. Essentially the reason was that the whole of the national stratum of leaders had been assassinated or destroyed by the Soviets, especially in Riga. It was possible though through similar influences on the Latvian auxiliary to set in motion a pogrom against Jews also in Riga. During this pogrom all synagogues were destroyed and about 400 Jews were killed. As the population of Riga quieted down quickly, further pogroms were not convenient."
(https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Comprehe ... tober_1941)
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Re: This picture really bugs me

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Also, Donald Trump is a clownfraud who only got involved in this for the attention.

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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Balmoral95 » Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:58 am

What's the big dark blob below the dead person at left supposed to be?

The dead space to the right seems stupid when a bit shift left would reveal the other shooters within the camera pov.

The accompanying voice-over is pretty useless.

Hasn't this been here before?

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Balmoral95 wrote:
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What's the big dark blob below the dead person at left supposed to be?
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Re: This picture really bugs me

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Balmoral95 wrote:
Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:58 am
The accompanying voice-over is pretty useless.
Thanks for the compliment, Balmoral95. Very kind of you. :lol:
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Aaron Richards wrote:
Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:40 pm
Balmoral95 wrote:
Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:58 am
The accompanying voice-over is pretty useless.
Thanks for the compliment, Balmoral95. Very kind of you. :lol:
The video popped up in my YouTube feed so I thought I would share. I couldn’t remember if anyone posted it before.

I thought the information on the cuffs and rifles was interesting. Matthew Ellard is our uniform expert and he may have mentioned the cuffs.
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Re: This picture really bugs me

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Relevant to the thread topic, here's an interesting image:

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also found at http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... ingel.html

and titled "The bodies of innocent Jews killed in Vinnitsa"

I assume this would be referring to the mass murders of Jews at Vinnitsa in July and September 1941, or possibly in the following year as well.

Related to Vinnitsa is this photo [of "the last Jew"], which you all probably know very well:

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But returning to the photo of the corpses, it's a good way to refute denier statements á la "heaps of bodies are only photos from the western camps which were liberated by the western allies and only show victims of typhus [and labor attrition and starvation]"
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HEART’s a bit dodgy. Check for confirmation in other places if you intend on posting stuff from there. I only utilize them as a last resort.
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri Dec 28, 2018 8:15 pm

Aaron Richards wrote:
Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:40 pm
Balmoral95 wrote:
Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:58 am
The accompanying voice-over is pretty useless.
Thanks for the compliment, Balmoral95. Very kind of you. :lol:
I have some critiques.... :D. You can tell me to STFU if you like.

Careful with Wikipedia, I hesitate using them as a source, check their sources. Remember anyone can post and edit those pages.

The splice with the movie footage was jarring and not really necessary.

FWIW I think killing Heydrich wasn’t worth the cost in innocent lives but Churchill loved that 007 crap.
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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by Balmoral95 » Fri Dec 28, 2018 9:51 pm

Aaron Richards wrote:
Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:40 pm
Balmoral95 wrote:
Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:58 am
The accompanying voice-over is pretty useless.
Thanks for the compliment, Balmoral95. Very kind of you. :lol:
Sure, anytime :mrgreen:

It did serve its purpose which was to get folks talking on the board...

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Re: This picture really bugs me

Post by BornAgainDisciple » Mon Dec 31, 2018 1:47 am

Aaron Richards wrote:
Fri Dec 28, 2018 7:24 pm
Relevant to the thread topic, here's an interesting image:

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also found at http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... ingel.html

and titled "The bodies of innocent Jews killed in Vinnitsa"

I assume this would be referring to the mass murders of Jews at Vinnitsa in July and September 1941, or possibly in the following year as well.

This is interesting image. The caption is a different matter. They could drop the word innocent. It's something that most likely will be used against the picture. "Innocent how"? etc.
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Careful with Wikipedia, I hesitate using them as a source, check their sources. Remember anyone can post and edit those pages.
One "moderator" would say that not just anyone can post or edit Wikipedia pages. It's run by THE Z's.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:32 am

This popped up in my Facebook feed:
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It was passed off as an arrival at Treblinka. AFAIK there are no pictures of a train being unloaded at Treblinka so I became suspicious. I checked it against tineye and sure enough it was mis-captioned. It is a picture of Jews being prepped for transport out of the Warsaw.

The poster told me they found it cropped and captioned as an arrival. I showed them the uncropped version and provided them a link for tineye.
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This picture is probably posted somewhere here. It’s a picture taken during the revolt that shows smoke from the camp.
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Post by Sergey_Romanov » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:09 pm

Aaron Richards wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:50 am
Here's another one I recently came across. I tried reverse image searching it, only came across a ton of chinese, russian and 404 forums with no discernible info as to its origin.

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My guess is that if it were authentic, it would certainly be featured on USHMM, Ghetto Fighters House etc. and since it isnt, it's probably from a documentary made in the soviet union re-enacting nazi atrocities some time in the 50s or 60s?

Soviet Union? Not big on nudity.

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Post by Sergey_Romanov » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:20 pm

TinEye indicates this may have been a CharonBoat creation.

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