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Post by Sergey_Romanov » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:21 am

Based on Honey's estimates:
16th May 6369 5542 87,0%
17th May 3055 2536 83,0%
18th May 14083 11427 81,1%
19th May 9859 6591 66,9%
20th May 10123 5835 57,6%
21st May 15795 11905 75,4%
22nd May 12812 8819 68,8%
23rd May 12438 9662 77,7%
24th May 13112 8707 66,4%
25th May 15588 10745 68,9%
26th May 16074 10264 63,9%
27th May 15850 10116 63,8%
28th May 30633 22546 73,6%
30th May 7247 4767 65,8%
31st May 10022 6668 66,5%
1st June 16332 11627 71,2%
2nd June 12505 8649 69,2%
3rd June 12394 8399 67,8%
4th June 11539 7953 68,9%
5th June 8632 5984 69,3%
6th June 11343 7641 67,4%
7th June 10109 7133 70,6%
8th June 4459 3318 74,4%
9th June 3148 1974 62,7%
10th June 1163 814 70,0%
11th June 1447 756 52,2%
12th June 9114 8921 97,9%
13th June 8426 7729 91,7%
14th June 8911 7518 84,4%
15th June 10932 8601 78,7%
16th June 5507 4650 84,4%
17th June 10607 8622 81,3%
18th June 3160 2309 73,1%
26th June 3006 2470 82,2%
27th June 3199 2747 85,9%
28th June 3842 3838 99,9%
29th June 12316 10495 85,2%
1st July 7854 6655 84,7%
7th July 9258 7481 80,8%
8th July 12108 8797 72,7%
9th July 11427 9837 86,1%
10th July 12206 9878 80,9%
11th July 5003 3249 64,9%
22nd July 4390 3588 81,7%
25th July 3160 3156 99,9%

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:18 am

Thanks, Sergey. That's why in my post on this I used the word "theoretical" pertaining to daily totals, because the 25% deemed "fit" is an average number and, as your list shows, it doesn't account for daily variations, which skew towards more deemed "fit" in the earlier period, when the larger numbers per day were arriving at the camp.

Your daily list shows that blake hasn't done the maths. Blake wrote that "The Auschwitz claim is that over 11,000 corpses per day were incinerated somehow" - without a reference; blake's claimed daily average, which none of us here seem to agree with, was met, if my quick count is right, exactly 4 times out of the 50+ days of the operation.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:21 am

blake121666 wrote:I have yet to see a list which isn't similar to Balsamo's. Here is Death trains in 1944: the Kassa list

Where are your new and improved lists? Does anyone but you agree with these new and improved lists? How new and how improved are these lists? Let's see them.
blake, Stark's book and Braham's study have been available for years. Although they don't contain daily lists, they both have enough information to show that 12,000 arrivals per day and 11,000 gassed per day are overestimates. You would have to tell us why you haven't seen them.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:26 am

blake121666 wrote:Ok, let's look at Balsamo's post on that other thread
Balsamo wrote: 16th May : 13.963 people are counted as "killed"
17th may: 8.841
18th May : 8.917
19th May : 8.772
20th May : 6.620
21th May : 9.662
. . . I typically read historians claiming that about 12,000 Hungarian Jews per day were sent to Auschwitz for many consecutive days - 90% of whom were immediately killed and cremated. . . .
Balsamo sampled days from the peak early phase, mentioned by Braham, and, as Sergey wrote in the other thread, there are issues with the sample used. You are generalizing from this dubious base to every day of the operation.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:42 am

Hans' adjusted figures show 5 days where blake's claimed average number killed were met.

blake seems determined to maintain the 3 denier fallacies which Hans already pointed out - overestimating daily arrivals, underestimating the number deemed fit for labor, and minimizing the outdoor cremations.

(I just noticed that blake did after all take up the question he asked in this thread in the Technical Gibberish thread where he had at first demurred. I suggest therefore keeping the discussion in the Technical Gibberish thread so as not to have two discussions of the same issue going on.)
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Post by Balsamo » Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:06 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
blake121666 wrote:Ok, let's look at Balsamo's post on that other thread
Balsamo wrote: 16th May : 13.963 people are counted as "killed"
17th may: 8.841
18th May : 8.917
19th May : 8.772
20th May : 6.620
21th May : 9.662
. . . I typically read historians claiming that about 12,000 Hungarian Jews per day were sent to Auschwitz for many consecutive days - 90% of whom were immediately killed and cremated. . . .
Balsamo sampled days from the peak early phase, mentioned by Braham, and, as Sergey wrote in the other thread, there are issues with the sample used. You are generalizing from this dubious base to every day of the operation.
Yes, my mistake...
but as i wrote in the other thread...the new numbers do not really help solve the logistic issue during the peak phase.
I don't know where Blake got his 11.000 (or 12.000) number and why he sticks to them by the way.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:11 pm

He is of the mind that being asked about that is "pedantic bickering."
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Post by Oozy_Substance » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:33 am

Just sharing some thoughts with you.
The Nazis exterminated the vast majority of Greek Jewry by sending Greece's Jews to Auschwitz.

I think this is quite a problem for deniers because :

1) Why would the Nazis put so much effort to transport tens of thousands of Jews from Southern-Europe (Greece) to Northern Europe (Poland)? If it's about re-settlement at somewhere else they could have shipped them off by boats to nearby Turkey or the Jewish Yishuv in Palestine.

2) If the Greek Jews were re-settled somewhere in Poland or Russia, it should be very easy to locate them. Tens of thousands of Greek-speaking Jews amid a Slavic population is not hard to locate and find.

3) Since 85%-90% to Greek Jews were exterminated, the deniers can't ignore it, they need to give an answer were did they all go to.

So I think that the extermination of Greek Jews is a hard bone in denier throat.

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Post by Sergey_Romanov » Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:17 am

Same applies to most other Jews.

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Post by nickterry » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:35 pm

Oozy_Substance wrote:Just sharing some thoughts with you.
The Nazis exterminated the vast majority of Greek Jewry by sending Greece's Jews to Auschwitz.

I think this is quite a problem for deniers because :

1) Why would the Nazis put so much effort to transport tens of thousands of Jews from Southern-Europe (Greece) to Northern Europe (Poland)? If it's about re-settlement at somewhere else they could have shipped them off by boats to nearby Turkey or the Jewish Yishuv in Palestine.

2) If the Greek Jews were re-settled somewhere in Poland or Russia, it should be very easy to locate them. Tens of thousands of Greek-speaking Jews amid a Slavic population is not hard to locate and find.

3) Since 85%-90% to Greek Jews were exterminated, the deniers can't ignore it, they need to give an answer were did they all go to.

So I think that the extermination of Greek Jews is a hard bone in denier throat.
Deniers don't think about the Holocaust in geographical terms such as nation or region, so most of them aren't aware or don't care that Greek Jews were deported. Greek deniers might care slightly more, but the other denier authors really say very little about specific actions or national waves of deportations. 'Jews' remain an abstraction for them, the Holocaust consists of the extermination camps only. If one is properly aware of the pan-European extent of the Holocaust, e.g. from reading any decent overview, then one is almost never a denier.

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Post by Balsamo » Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:42 pm

Nick Terry
Deniers don't think about the Holocaust in geographical terms
That would be too much too ask.
Actually they do not think about the Holocaust at all.
They are too busy denying it.

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Post by BornAgainDisciple » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:19 pm

Some deniers actually do think in in geographical terms.
They are trying to say that some people were deported and transited and transited and transited...
And where did they go? What is their whereabouts? Why do they have so many names?
Where were some survivors liberated?
Like they ask with Irene Zegelstein/Weisberg/Zisblatt and so on...
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Post by Denying-History » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:38 pm

I think Balsamo has the general aspect down, outside the fact they do think about it - its generally they know nothing about it.
Born I thin you are kinda confused as well by what Terry meant... They don't think in such terms, obviously considering they had no reason for the mass deportation from Greece. It was a far off land and only makes one wonder further why other "transit" stations were not set up in allied (to Germany) countries like Romania. It makes no sense to transit Jews from Greece to Poland to only have them settled the same distance into Russia. Its a waste of resources - one that is even dumber then the "fuel shortage" argument deniers toss around.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:41 am

BornAgainDisciple wrote:Some deniers actually do think in in geographical terms.
They are trying to say that some people were deported and transited and transited and transited...
And where did they go? What is their whereabouts? Why do they have so many names?
Where were some survivors liberated?
Like they ask with Irene Zegelstein/Weisberg/Zisblatt and so on...
I find they struggle with how events unfolded and slotting things in a proper chronological order. It’s like they think this whole thing happened in some splendid vacuum.
“I noticed this morning that a group of our Landsberg friends have been given their freedom this morning. These include...Schubert, Jost and Nosske. Schubert confessed to...supervising the execution of about 800 Jews...(referring to the order to clean up Simferopol)...Schubert managed to kill all the Jews (by Christmas 1941). Nosske was the one the other defendants called the biggest bloodhound....
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:32 pm

Just because, some overhead shots by USAAF:


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“I noticed this morning that a group of our Landsberg friends have been given their freedom this morning. These include...Schubert, Jost and Nosske. Schubert confessed to...supervising the execution of about 800 Jews...(referring to the order to clean up Simferopol)...Schubert managed to kill all the Jews (by Christmas 1941). Nosske was the one the other defendants called the biggest bloodhound....
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Post by nickterry » Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:56 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote: I find they struggle with how events unfolded and slotting things in a proper chronological order. It’s like they think this whole thing happened in some splendid vacuum.
Yes, deniers are also chronologically challenged, and have problems with causation, too.

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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:44 am

FWIW, and I'd like more information on this, Nachman Blumenthal gave a number between 1.3-1.5 million dead in 1946. Van Pelt footnoted this back to Hoess's Trial in Poland. Van Pelt noted this as "expert opinion.". This is from the Case for Auschwitz, Chapter II, Marshalling the Evidence for Auschwitz.
“I noticed this morning that a group of our Landsberg friends have been given their freedom this morning. These include...Schubert, Jost and Nosske. Schubert confessed to...supervising the execution of about 800 Jews...(referring to the order to clean up Simferopol)...Schubert managed to kill all the Jews (by Christmas 1941). Nosske was the one the other defendants called the biggest bloodhound....
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:04 pm

New article at HC about Prussian Blue:
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... e.html?m=1
“I noticed this morning that a group of our Landsberg friends have been given their freedom this morning. These include...Schubert, Jost and Nosske. Schubert confessed to...supervising the execution of about 800 Jews...(referring to the order to clean up Simferopol)...Schubert managed to kill all the Jews (by Christmas 1941). Nosske was the one the other defendants called the biggest bloodhound....
Noel, Noel, what the hell.”
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Post by montgomery » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:29 pm

If the Prussian Blue didn't show up then the room couldn't have been used for any gassing of any kind. If it does show up then it was almost certainly used for delousing.

I'm more skeptical than ever about the claim of anybody being gassed by ZB in any camps. Frankly, the whole thing is starting to disintegrate before our believing eyes! Personally, I'm going with shootings and steaming as the more likely.

But I have to agree with you Jeff, it's good to remain a skeptic.

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Jeffk 1970 wrote:New article at HC about Prussian Blue:
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... e.html?m=1
It was said
Mr. Rudolf (Scheerer) has gleefully pointed out the extraordinary staining on the walls of the buildings where delousing took place.
A fuel depot (Brennstoff) on Wall "d*" opens into passage "c" probably to supply coal or coke to the hot-air blower (Heißluftapparat). The heater was connected to both chambers with metal ducting .


The delousing chamber at Auschwitz possibly did not use coal or hot air to any blower, a specialized machine called a Kreislauf system was used. Maybe initially hot air from coke was used but the Kreislauf was installed. If this machine was used in the alleged chambers it would have murdered nicely.
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The blowers, in effect, drove the entire fumigation process. Initially, each blower would accelerate the evaporation of hydrocyanic acid out of the porous Zyklon-B granules placed inside the chamber by forcing warm air through the granules and then circulating the resulting air and hydrocyanic acid gas mixture throughout all of the clothing and articles within the chamber. Finally, each blower force-vented the lethal gas mixture out of the chamber up a vent pipe through the roof to atmosphere and replaced the lethal gas with fresh air so that the chamber doors could be opened without endangering the operator.

Each chamber was designed so that it would normally be operated without the operator having to wear a gas mask except in an emergency. According to Dr. Gerhard Peters, writing in 1940 about the recently perfected gas chamber design:
FPB

It would have been expected that the inner walls of the delousing chambers would be bright blue from floor to ceiling, but this is not the case.
Obviously not a chemist, the formation of Prussian blue is dependent on the composition within the bricks and the amount of moisture. I suggest that this author read the authoritative work of Rudolf.
I have long speculated that Zyklon-B was dumped into large vats of water into which clothes, bedding and what-have-you were soaked. The wet objects were hung to dry or simply leaned against the walls of the rooms adjoining the small gas chambers. This might explain why walls quite distant from the gas chambers had intimate contact with hydrogen cyanide in an aqueous solution.
Ummmm no that is not how fumigation works. You want to gas the bugs not drown them. :lol: :lol:
What can be proven, to the embarrassment of deniers and pseudo-scientists is that Prussian Blue onlystains the surface of mortar, plaster and brickwork.
Ummm no it diffuses all of the way through the brick.
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Diffusion of HCN through brick and formation of Prussian blue.
There is an as-yetunsolved mysteryof how Prussian Blue made its way through apparently solid brick walls leaving its tell-tale blue stains on the exterior of both bath and delousing chambers in BIa and BIb in Birkenau
It is not unsolved it is called gaseous diffusion. Bricks, mortar and most other things are somewhat porous.
A coal-fired heater supplying hot air to the gas chambers did not cause the building to explode in spite of deniers claims thatall concentrations of HCN are explosive.
Only one idiot has claimed that, and that is a dude from CODOH who claimed poisonous quantities of HCN would be explosive. 300ppm is enough to kill most people in a short period of time while the explosive amount is 56 000ppm.
Interesting article but the writer should read "The Chemistry of Auschwitz" by Germar Rudolf, or find it on You Tube

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Post by montgomery » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:08 pm

Some of my recent research work, courtesy of Monstrous:

http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_camp
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_ ... l_evidence

It's now pretty obvious that the H.P. crew need to resort to spamming and personal attacks against skeptics and H.D.'ers, because they have nothing else to work with. The eye witnesses and the historians from the 40's simply don't exist.

Is this where it all ends? Is it indeed all hype, lies, and exaggerations?

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Post by VFX » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:16 pm

The evidence shows that Auschwitz-Birkenau was established primarily as a camp for Jews who were not able to work, including the sick and elderly, as well as for those who were temporarily awaiting assignment to other camps. That is the considered view of Dr. Arthur Butz of Northwestern University, who also says that this was an important reason for the unusually high death rate there.

Jewish scholar Arno Mayer, a professor of history at Princeton University, acknowledges in his 1988 book about the "final solution" that more Jews perished at Auschwitz as a result of typhus and other "natural" causes than were executed.

It is often claimed that all Jews at Auschwitz who were unable to work were immediately killed. Jews who were too old, young, sick, or weak were supposedly gassed on arrival, and only those who could be worked to death were temporarily kept alive.

But the evidence shows otherwise. In fact, a very high percentage of the Jewish inmates were not able to work, and were nevertheless not killed. For example, an internal German telex message dated Sept. 4, 1943, from the chief of the Labor Allocation department of the SS Economic and Administrative Main Office (WVHA), reported that of 25,000 Jews held in Auschwitz, only 3,581 were able to work, and that all of the remaining Jewish inmates — some 21,500, or about 86 percent — were unable to work.

This is also confirmed in a secret report dated April 5, 1944, on "security measures in Auschwitz" by Oswald Pohl, head of the SS concentration camp system, to SS chief Heinrich Himmler. Pohl reported that there was a total of 67,000 inmates in the entire Auschwitz camp complex, of whom 18,000 were hospitalized or disabled. In the Auschwitz II camp (Birkenau), supposedly the main extermination center, there were 36,000 inmates, mostly female, of whom "approximately 15,000 are unable to work." Jeff Prager..Juden

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Post by Reaktori » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:19 am

So all you cretins can do is plagiarize the most dusty, decayed denier arguments and pretend in your worm-ridden brains that you have done something worthwhile?

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Post by Balmoral95 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:34 am

>"The evidence shows that Auschwitz-Birkenau was established primarily as a camp for Jews".

Absolutely wrong. Don't believe me? Look it up.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:44 am

Seriously?
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Post by Balmoral95 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:47 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Seriously?
Yup, but he's relying on A. Butz.... When real folk want history, they don't get it from a facking electrician.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:54 am

"It was still at the stage of clubs and fists, hurrah, tala"

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Post by Balmoral95 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:02 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:http://auschwitz.org/en/type-of-publica ... p,2.html#2

Just sayin'
Hell, Mattogno didn't write anything so patently incorrect as to this point.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:12 am

Neither did Butz. LOL He had it all mixed up, but IIRC his argument was that the reason that the Auschwitz camp was established was for industrial production. Using a typical prisoner population or something like that. I think he more or less skipped the first year or so of the camp's existence when he explains why he thinks it was established. I'll check later.
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Post by Balmoral95 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:23 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Neither did Butz. LOL He had it all mixed up, but IIRC his argument was that the reason that the Auschwitz camp was established was for industrial production. Using a typical prisoner population or something like that. I think he more or less skipped the first year or so of the camp's existence when he explains why he thinks it was established. I'll check later.
I can't remember what Butz said.... Took it on faith the above was a correct paraphrase...

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:55 am

Just looked it up, seems like the guy or whomever he copied doesn't know what Butz said:
The reason for the appearance of Auschwitz in this context is very simple; Auschwitz was a huge industrial operation.

When Germany annexed a large part of Poland after the partitioning of Poland in 1939 by Germany and Russia, it came into the possession of the great coal fields of Polish Upper Silesia. It was naturally decided to exploit this and the possibilities for a hydrogenation and Buna plant were examined. . . .

In early 1941 it was decided to build a hydrogenation and a Buna plant at Auschwitz employing both free and prisoner labor. By pure chance there was already near the town a partisan POW camp holding 7,000 prisoners (it had formerly been a Polish artillery barracks); this camp became the nucleus for expansion via its own enlargement and also the construction of additional camps. It was quickly transformed into and remained to the last a camp for political prisoner-workers; it is usually referred to as Auschwitz I. The terms “main camp,” “Hauptlager,” and “Stammlager” are also sometimes used.91

. . . The collection of all camps, Auschwitz I, Birkenau (Auschwitz II) and Auschwitz III, together with the industries which employed the inmates, is usually what is referred to under the blanket term “Auschwitz.”94 The prisoner population of Auschwitz II was nothing unusual except that there was a significant number of British POWs.95 . . .

. . . Birkenau, like Auschwitz I, had a responsibility of supplying labor for Farben and for sub-contractors to Farben. It also supplied labor for other enterprises such as the Krupp fuse plant and the Siemens electrical factory. In addition inmates worked at clearing demolished structures, draining the marshy land, road construction, operating an establishment for the cultivation of special plants (Raisko), building and operating a model farm (Harmense), clothing manufacture, etc.104 Birkenau had other functions, as will be seen. . . .

Birkenau, of course, performed the normal functions of a German concentration camp; it quartered inmates for the principal or ultimate aim of exploiting their labor. . . . Like any large industrial operation Auschwitz was organized in a systematic manner thought to be of the greatest efficiency. The unemployed were quartered at Birkenau. Thus the transit camps, to be discussed again in a later chapter, were at Birkenau. This explains the existence of the gypsy and Jewish camps there. Also, the sick and the very sick and the dying and, perhaps, the dead were sent to Birkenau and such concentration of the ill naturally meant that Birkenau was a “death camp,” complete with mortuary and cremation facilities, if one chooses to describe things thus.
THOTTC, pp 77-79, 174-183
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Post by Nessie » Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:31 pm

montgomery wrote:If the Prussian Blue didn't show up then the room couldn't have been used for any gassing of any kind. If it does show up then it was almost certainly used for delousing.

I'm more skeptical than ever about the claim of anybody being gassed by ZB in any camps. Frankly, the whole thing is starting to disintegrate before our believing eyes! Personally, I'm going with shootings and steaming as the more likely.

But I have to agree with you Jeff, it's good to remain a skeptic.
Any claim that rooms within the kremas were made for delousing clothing into problems with;

- the lack of supporting evidence
- ventilation, or alleged lack thereof which is a reason why people allegedly could not have been gassed there. That also applies to delousing clothing.
- the alleged issue over a relative lack of Prussian Blue staining. Compare the discolouration with actual, known delousing chambers.
- conflicting denier claims the kremas had bomb shelters or mass showering facilities instead.
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Reaktori wrote:So all you cretins can do is plagiarize the most dusty, decayed denier arguments and pretend in your worm-ridden brains that you have done something worthwhile?
Bit of a harsh call on their cerebellums, they may well suck at this and be permanently scavenging and scrounging in the denier dustbin but it has to be said, they do provide a form of cheap entertainment whilst I'm waiting for my laundry to dry.

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Post by VFX » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:45 pm

Darren Wilshak wrote:
Reaktori wrote:So all you cretins can do is plagiarize the most dusty, decayed denier arguments and pretend in your worm-ridden brains that you have done something worthwhile?
Bit of a harsh call on their cerebellums, they may well suck at this and be permanently scavenging and scrounging in the denier dustbin but it has to be said, they do provide a form of cheap entertainment whilst I'm waiting for my laundry to dry.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:33 pm

I'm sure I've seen estimates of this before but just to have it here: Mary Fulbrook says that "The average life expectancy of an Auschwitz inmate selected for work was around three months . . ." (Reckonings, p 25)
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Post by Balmoral95 » Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:46 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:33 pm
I'm sure I've seen estimates of this before but just to have it here: Mary Fulbrook says that "The average life expectancy of an Auschwitz inmate selected for work was around three months . . ." (Reckonings, p 25)
There was a war on, ya know? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Darren Wilshak » Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:41 am

VFX wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:45 pm
Darren Wilshak wrote:
Reaktori wrote:So all you cretins can do is plagiarize the most dusty, decayed denier arguments and pretend in your worm-ridden brains that you have done something worthwhile?
Bit of a harsh call on their cerebellums, they may well suck at this and be permanently scavenging and scrounging in the denier dustbin but it has to be said, they do provide a form of cheap entertainment whilst I'm waiting for my laundry to dry.

:lol:
You are all talk and never let your laundry dry. Hillbillies like you always wear the same undies for two weeks or so at a time.
Leave my foundation wear ies out of this or I will make some cheap joke about paint drying next.

I see your mate Montgomery was kicked off after repeated warnings for making defamatory posts about Jews. He just couldn't help himself, could he? Now speaking to you as an apparent Beverley hills hillbilly to a giraffe - therefore above such matters, you aren't going to repeat the same errors, are you?

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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:31 pm

Article on Holocaust Controversies about the aerial photos of Auschwitz-Birkenau:

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... s.html?m=1
“I noticed this morning that a group of our Landsberg friends have been given their freedom this morning. These include...Schubert, Jost and Nosske. Schubert confessed to...supervising the execution of about 800 Jews...(referring to the order to clean up Simferopol)...Schubert managed to kill all the Jews (by Christmas 1941). Nosske was the one the other defendants called the biggest bloodhound....
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:07 pm

Thanks, I think Hans had mentioned aligning photos to Glaser list and other sources. Very nice.
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