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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:28 pm

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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:30 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Upton_O_Goode wrote:So, what does Trump do now? To me, it's obvious what he will do, and it's the same thing he did before: Launch a bunch of missiles in a way that will have minimal military impact on Assad and will not in any way endanger any Russians. Then say, "There! That'll teach 'em!" (And he will clear that with Putin in secret before doing it.)
There's also the most important part of this: tweet about how muscular the US's response is now whereas it was feckless and cowardly under Obama. That is actually fundamental to the new strategy of "missiles once a year, every year."
For sure. As for the list of questions you posted yesterday, the ones that were posed to Obama and will certainly not be posed to Trump, the explanation (if anybody brings up the subject) will be that Obama was a blundering, blithering idiot who needed careful supervision, but Trump is a strong leader in whom our GOP has great confidence.
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:37 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Rod Rosenstein expecting to be fired - and confident of his decisions re: Mueller and firing of Comey
I just wonder: If Rosenstein does get fired, will Paul Ryan finally grow a pair and protect Mueller's job? Could he even do that over the opposition of Nunes? There's about one chance in a thousand that he might, like John McCain, try to add some luster to his resume at the last minute. Of course, McCain promptly erased his two pathetic efforts to be a human being, but one can hope.

I am pledged to get out and demonstrate like hell if either Rosenstein or Mueller gets fired. MoveOn has got pledges on-line from 300,000 people to do just that, and probably a lot of other people will join in who didn't care to commit on-line.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:38 pm

great TPM piece on today's hearing in federal district court involving the Cohen search:

1) Cohen likely has just one client - Trump
2) Cohen does negligible legal work in any event
3) It is unlikely that Cohen's records include many privileged communications
4) Trump and Cohen probably do not have an attorney-client relationship in particular in Stormy Daniels' case - quoting Trump's own words
5) Feds are investigating Cohen for criminal acts and that investigation has been underway for months
6) The investigation of Cohen is based on evidence about his business practices and actions, not primarily about his client(s) (“evidence of crimes, many of which have nothing to do with his work as an attorney, but rather relate to Cohen’s own business dealings”; “criminal conduct that largely centers on his personal business dealings”) - (and, my conclusion here, Cohen's business seems focused on Trump)
7) Prosecutors have evidence (we don't know what it is, as it is redacted in court documents) supporting the necessity of their search and seizure methods - the evidence suggests the likelihood that Cohen would destroy/conceal evidence
8) Separate to the records seizure, prosecutors also obtained Cohen's emails under a federal warrant, and these have been reviewed by the Filter Team: “The results of that review, as reported by the USAO’s Filter Team, indicate that Cohen is in fact performing little to no legal work, and that zero emails were exchanged with President Trump”

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker ... estigation
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:41 pm

Upton_O_Goode wrote:I just wonder: If Rosenstein does get fired, will Paul Ryan finally grow a pair and protect Mueller's job?
No.
Upton_O_Goode wrote:Could he even do that over the opposition of Nunes?
He's approved all Nunes' antics.
Upton_O_Goode wrote:There's about one chance in a thousand that he might . . .
This is optimistic . . . IMHO.
Upton_O_Goode wrote:I am pledged to get out and demonstrate like hell if either Rosenstein or Mueller gets fired. MoveOn has got pledges on-line from 300,000 people to do just that, and probably a lot of other people will join in who didn't care to commit on-line.
Tomorrow? LOL
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:47 pm

More on potential troubles for Mr Cohen and Bloatus, from ABC: "Federal agents who raided Cohen’s home, office and hotel room this week seized recordings, sources familiar with the raid tell ABC News." This reporting goes a step beyond last night's WaPo's speculative story on Cohen's tape-recording of conversations - saying that the feds have such recordings.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:10 pm

What's that old McDonald's jingle - "I'm lovin' it"?

From tonight's NY Times: "Isolated and Unnerved, Trump Sees Inquiry Into His Lawyer as Greater Threat Than Mueller":
Mr. Cohen has publicly declared that he would defend the president to the end, but court documents show that prosecutors are building a significant case that could put pressure on him to cooperate and tell investigators what he knows. . . .

Mr. Trump, Mr. Cohen and their teams were still scrambling on Friday to assess the damage from the raid early Monday morning. They remained unsure what had been taken, an uncertainty that has heightened the unease around Mr. Trump. . . .
Think about it: if, as federal prosecutors claimed today, Mr Cohen does not practice law, then his communications with Mr Trump are by definition not privileged. They would be part of his business dealings. Of his possibly sole client. Including, lordy, the tapes seized, according to ABC.
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Post by scrmbldggs » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:30 pm

Seems there's as much attorney-client privilege as Jr claimed in front of Congress. :lol:
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fox------President Obama’s former Attorney General Eric Holder and former top Obama campaign strategist David Axelrod, among others, want their liberal allies to shut up about impeaching President Trump. They fear that threats to drive the president from office will boost voter turnout – not among Democrats, as some on the left hope, but rather among Republicans.

Axelrod tweeted recently: “Dems should NOT commit to impeachment unless & until there’s a demonstrable case for one…. If we “normalize” impeachment as a political tool, it will be another hammer blow to our democracy.”

Holder tweeted in response: “Ax is exactly right. Midterms can be, among other things, a referendum on this Administration, its policies and its supporters - at federal and state levels. Midterms should not be centered around questions of impeachment.”
---------------------A Quinnipiac poll shows only 52 percent of the country thinks Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia probe is fair – the lowest level of support since the organization began tracking the topic last November. Some 54 percent of Republicans think the inquiry is “unfair.”

Rasmussen reports a similar trend: 40 percent of likely voters see Mueller’s investigation as a “partisan witch hunt,” up from 34 percent last October.

Quinnipiac also reports that President Trump’s approval rating is at its highest level in a year, despite breathless reporting about Stormy Daniels. A solid 73 percent of voters say the alleged one-night stand with the porn star is unimportant.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:Rod Rosenstein expecting to be fired - and confident of his decisions re: Mueller and firing of Comey
What if he was told in yesterday's meeting, behave or else? And he sez, I dun care...
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:18 pm

Yuuuuge.

Sources: Mueller has evidence Cohen was in Prague in 2016, confirming part of dossier:
The Justice Department special counsel has evidence that Donald Trump’s personal lawyer and confidant, Michael Cohen, secretly made a late-summer trip to Prague during the 2016 presidential campaign, according to two sources familiar with the matter. . . . [This] would also be one of the most significant developments thus far in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation of whether the Trump campaign and the Kremlin worked together to help Trump win the White House. Undercutting Trump’s repeated pronouncements that “there is no evidence of collusion,” it also could ratchet up the stakes if the president tries, as he has intimated he might for months, to order Mueller’s firing. . . .

Cohen has vehemently denied for months that he ever has been in Prague or colluded with Russia during the campaign. Neither he nor his lawyer responded to requests for comment for this story.

It’s unclear whether Mueller’s investigators also have evidence that Cohen actually met with a prominent Russian – purportedly Konstantin Kosachev, an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin — in the Czech capital. Kosachev, who chairs the Foreign Affairs Committee of a body of the Russian legislature, the Federation Council, also has denied visiting Prague during 2016. Earlier this month, Kosachev was among 24 high-profile Russians hit with stiff U.S. sanctions in retaliation for Russia’s meddling.
Cohen sued Buzzfeed for publishing the dossier!

Josh Marshall's note on this is entitled "Game, set, match?"
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:34 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:great TPM piece on today's hearing in federal district court involving the Cohen search:

1) Cohen likely has just one client - Trump
2) Cohen does negligible legal work in any event
3) It is unlikely that Cohen's records include many privileged communications
4) Trump and Cohen probably do not have an attorney-client relationship in particular in Stormy Daniels' case - quoting Trump's own words
5) Feds are investigating Cohen for criminal acts and that investigation has been underway for months
6) The investigation of Cohen is based on evidence about his business practices and actions, not primarily about his client(s) (“evidence of crimes, many of which have nothing to do with his work as an attorney, but rather relate to Cohen’s own business dealings”; “criminal conduct that largely centers on his personal business dealings”) - (and, my conclusion here, Cohen's business seems focused on Trump)
7) Prosecutors have evidence (we don't know what it is, as it is redacted in court documents) supporting the necessity of their search and seizure methods - the evidence suggests the likelihood that Cohen would destroy/conceal evidence
8) Separate to the records seizure, prosecutors also obtained Cohen's emails under a federal warrant, and these have been reviewed by the Filter Team: “The results of that review, as reported by the USAO’s Filter Team, indicate that Cohen is in fact performing little to no legal work, and that zero emails were exchanged with President Trump”

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker ... estigation
You almost said it: that the Feds are taking the position that Cohen is not even acting "as an attorney." No privilege at all for anything. I thought as much and have been a bit surprised Trump/Cohen let the meme go unchallenged that Cohen was "a fixer." If you want to run a good scam....you gotta keep your briefs clean and in court from time to time. Hire an associate....and let him do it. Just another example of Trump (and Cohen) having no long term plan to set up actually being the President. Maximum Peter Principle on display.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:Yuuuuge.

Sources: Mueller has evidence Cohen was in Prague in 2016, confirming part of dossier:
The Justice Department special counsel has evidence that Donald Trump’s personal lawyer and confidant, Michael Cohen, secretly made a late-summer trip to Prague during the 2016 presidential campaign, according to two sources familiar with the matter. . . . [This] would also be one of the most significant developments thus far in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation of whether the Trump campaign and the Kremlin worked together to help Trump win the White House. Undercutting Trump’s repeated pronouncements that “there is no evidence of collusion,” it also could ratchet up the stakes if the president tries, as he has intimated he might for months, to order Mueller’s firing. . . .

Cohen has vehemently denied for months that he ever has been in Prague or colluded with Russia during the campaign. Neither he nor his lawyer responded to requests for comment for this story.

It’s unclear whether Mueller’s investigators also have evidence that Cohen actually met with a prominent Russian – purportedly Konstantin Kosachev, an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin — in the Czech capital. Kosachev, who chairs the Foreign Affairs Committee of a body of the Russian legislature, the Federation Council, also has denied visiting Prague during 2016. Earlier this month, Kosachev was among 24 high-profile Russians hit with stiff U.S. sanctions in retaliation for Russia’s meddling.
Cohen sued Buzzfeed for publishing the dossier!

Josh Marshall's note on this is entitled "Game, set, match?"

:hmm: Funny that should pop up after Heiferbee made such a...compelling case for the "No collusion" narrative today. :-P
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:53 am

Trump addressing nation about Syria - bombing of Syrian targets associated with chemical weapons, carried out by US, British and France air forces - he doesn't read well, and he's back to sniffing loudly - US prepared to sustain attacks until Syria ends use of chemical weapons (I think I heard that right)
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"he doesn't read well, and he's back to sniffing loudly" - maybe he's allergic to it :mrgreen:
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:13 am

Pentagon briefing at 10pm Eastern, presumably on scope and targets of tonight's attacks
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:14 am

That was about the worst read I have seen in quite a while. Rachel Madow.....emphasizing Trumps political track record will affect how the world views this airstrike. Wow. Going with the Gobsmacking obvious. Its on the scroll, but the attack was supported by France and the UK....that could have been emphasized, or at least mentioned?

I guess the real news will follow......
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:15 am

scrmbldggs wrote:"he doesn't read well, and he's back to sniffing loudly" - maybe he's allergic to it :mrgreen:
or some kind of weird tell

MSNBC also picked up on the "sustain" comment and wonders if that means more than a brief strike

Maddow is floundering, off she goes

Grauniad: "Reuters says witnesses in Damascus have heard several large explosions and seen smoke on the east side of the city. Douma lies to the north-east. It is unclear if these are related to the US president’s announcement."
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:39 am

Trump about 2 weeks ago, in Ohio: “We’re coming out of Syria, like, very soon. Let the other people take care of it now. Very soon — very soon we’re coming out. We are going to have 100 percent of the caliphate, as they call it, sometimes referred to as land, taking it all back, quickly, quickly. But we are going to be coming out of there real soon.”

Trump tonight: “We are prepared to sustain this response until the Syrian regime stops its use of prohibited chemical agents.”
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Gord wrote:
Upton_O_Goode wrote:...But just today, it appears that Starbucks will have to carry a cancer warning as well. I'm going to continue drinking three cups of strong black coffee every day. I'm not saying the NIH and CDC are wrong, only that I DON'T CARE.
Hilarious!

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...A little-known not-for-profit group sued some 90 coffee retailers, including Starbucks, on grounds they were violating a California law requiring companies to warn consumers of chemicals in their products that could cause cancer....

...One of those chemicals is acrylamide, a byproduct of roasting coffee beans that is present in high levels in brewed coffee.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Elihu Berle said in a decision dated Wednesday that Starbucks and other companies had failed to show there was no significant risk from a carcinogen produced in the coffee roasting process, court documents showed....
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/ac ... e#section7
...In 2002, Swedish scientists also discovered it in a wide range of foods, including baked goods and coffee (16).

Scientists believe the acrylamide in food is a product of the Maillard reaction. This reaction occurs when sugars and amino acids are heated above 248° F, or 120° C (17, 18).

What we do know is that when coffee beans are roasted, acrylamide is formed. There's no way to remove acrylamide from coffee, so when you drink it, you're exposing yourself to the chemical (19)....

...Take Home Message

Coffee contains various substances that are linked to positive effects on health.

These outweigh the potential negative effects of acrylamide, so there's no need to stop drinking coffee if you enjoy it.
There's acrylamide in pretty much everything that is cooked to a temperature above 248°F (120°C). You can't avoid it.

Coffee drinking has been shown to reduce the risk for certain cancers.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:What's that old McDonald's jingle - "I'm lovin' it"?

From tonight's NY Times: "Isolated and Unnerved, Trump Sees Inquiry Into His Lawyer as Greater Threat Than Mueller":
Mr. Cohen has publicly declared that he would defend the president to the end, but court documents show that prosecutors are building a significant case that could put pressure on him to cooperate and tell investigators what he knows. . . .

Mr. Trump, Mr. Cohen and their teams were still scrambling on Friday to assess the damage from the raid early Monday morning. They remained unsure what had been taken, an uncertainty that has heightened the unease around Mr. Trump. . . .
Think about it: if, as federal prosecutors claimed today, Mr Cohen does not practice law, then his communications with Mr Trump are by definition not privileged. They would be part of his business dealings. Of his possibly sole client. Including, lordy, the tapes seized, according to ABC.
Obviously, the pardon of Scooter Libby, coming out of nowhere, is a signal to Cohen to hang in there. But again, if he broke STATE laws, that won't help him much.
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:40 am

scrmbldggs wrote: Funny that should pop up after Heiferbee made such a...compelling case for the "No collusion" narrative today. :-P
"Heiferbee"! :lol: :lol: :lol: The perfect name, even though it violates my principles to ridicule people for their body type. This woman annoys me, every time she comes on camera.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote: Cohen has vehemently denied for months that he ever has been in Prague or colluded with Russia during the campaign. Neither he nor his lawyer responded to requests for comment for this story.

Cohen sued Buzzfeed for publishing the dossier!

Josh Marshall's note on this is entitled "Game, set, match?"
Indeed. Cohen must be not only corrupt, but laughably stupid, to think he could travel to Prague and then deny that he was ever there. There are RECORDS of these things, passenger lists, and the like. I know the threat the schoolteachers used to use against us ("That goes on your permanent record") was a bluff. There was no record, back then, that couldn't be expunged. But there is now. To get to Prague, you have to interact with a lot of airline and government agencies, and those agencies don't scrub their records to protect anybody.
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:51 am

scrmbldggs wrote:Another feature: "appears to be evenly disturbed through the year".* Rather fitting, considering atm there's nothing more important than this. :|


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I've been expecting that. Nothing sends Trump and other Republicans into an irrational frenzy faster than the existence of an institution that serves ALL the people, not just the elite 1%.
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:57 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Trump about 2 weeks ago, in Ohio: “We’re coming out of Syria, like, very soon. Let the other people take care of it now. Very soon — very soon we’re coming out. We are going to have 100 percent of the caliphate, as they call it, sometimes referred to as land, taking it all back, quickly, quickly. But we are going to be coming out of there real soon.”

Trump tonight: “We are prepared to sustain this response until the Syrian regime stops its use of prohibited chemical agents.”
The big question mark is, what will Putin do now? I must admit, this didn't turn out as I thought it would. Britain and France joined in (on good principles, I think, since there certainly WAS a chemical attack), and they hit Damascus, where there are certainly Russians. Putin has been humiliated and Russia revealed to be a paper tiger. He doesn't dare strike back at American warships (Lord, please make that a true statement!). If he starts a shooting war with the US, it will be no contest and he knows it. He'd have to go nuclear, and I don't think he would actually do that. (Trump would, however, if things got sufficiently desperate.) So, Putin is in a bind. He'll find some way to retaliate, but I can only guess what it will be. Following Russian tradition, he's likely to send more ground troops and warships and other military paraphernalia to clean up Syria and install Assad as his puppet. That was going to be the outcome anyway, very shortly, so maybe this strike has shortened the suffering of the Syrians. I hope so.

ETA: What is this hypocrisy of Trump telling Putin not to be allied with people who kill "innocent men, women, and children"? Wasn't that precisely the often-repeated bedrock of his own policy for dealing with terrorists? "Take out their families." And then the further hypocrisy of getting all upset over chemical attacks, barbaric as they are, but not worrying about those who get trapped in the rubble of a bombed-out building and slowly starve to death. To quote Tolstoy: "As if there are, or could be, rules for killing people."
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I’m just waiting for one of the targeted sites to have been a baby formula plant or maybe an aspirin factory.

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Without all out war.....the tyrants would be in charge...... everywhere.
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Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:Trump about 2 weeks ago, in Ohio: “We’re coming out of Syria, like, very soon. Let the other people take care of it now. Very soon — very soon we’re coming out. We are going to have 100 percent of the caliphate, as they call it, sometimes referred to as land, taking it all back, quickly, quickly. But we are going to be coming out of there real soon.”

Trump tonight: “We are prepared to sustain this response until the Syrian regime stops its use of prohibited chemical agents.”
The big question mark is, what will Putin do now? I must admit, this didn't turn out as I thought it would. Britain and France joined in (on good principles, I think, since there certainly WAS a chemical attack), and they hit Damascus, where there are certainly Russians. Putin has been humiliated and Russia revealed to be a paper tiger. He doesn't dare strike back at American warships (Lord, please make that a true statement!). If he starts a shooting war with the US, it will be no contest and he knows it. He'd have to go nuclear, and I don't think he would actually do that. (Trump would, however, if things got sufficiently desperate.) So, Putin is in a bind. He'll find some way to retaliate, but I can only guess what it will be. Following Russian tradition, he's likely to send more ground troops and warships and other military paraphernalia to clean up Syria and install Assad as his puppet. That was going to be the outcome anyway, very shortly, so maybe this strike has shortened the suffering of the Syrians. I hope so.

ETA: What is this hypocrisy of Trump telling Putin not to be allied with people who kill "innocent men, women, and children"? Wasn't that precisely the often-repeated bedrock of his own policy for dealing with terrorists? "Take out their families." And then the further hypocrisy of getting all upset over chemical attacks, barbaric as they are, but not worrying about those who get trapped in the rubble of a bombed-out building and slowly starve to death. To quote Tolstoy: "As if there are, or could be, rules for killing people."
To compound Trump’s hypocrisy, these same Syrians at risk in the war are unwelcome to find refuge in Trump’s US. He allowed admission of just 44 Syrian refugees so far this year if I remember correctly.
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Trump this morning used the unfortunate phrase “mission accomplished” even as international inspectors are to get their work underway in Syria today to determine what happened and how in Douma.

According to WaPo Russia has called for an emergency session of the UN Security Council today to address the strikes.

WaPo is also reporting that the US has determined that the agent used in Douma was chlorine - Mattis was vague about that last night and alluded to a second agent. AFAIK Syria is thought to have used chlorine gas on a number of occasions since last year’s bombing.

Russia and Iran have been caustic verbally but have not taken any apparent steps to respond beyond the call for the UN emergency session. From the apparent scope and duration of the strikes I take it that Mattis succeeded in cooling Trump’s jets so to speak.
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Point being for both sides: air strikes don't alter the final outcome.
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Upton_O_Goode wrote:install Assad as his puppet. That was going to be the outcome anyway, very shortly
From what I read, following the most recent chemical attack, the rebels in Douma negotiated passage to a remote northern area. This suggests that the attack was a serious one. Since Douma was among the few remaining rebel pockets - the last in fact in the eastern Ghouta region near Damascus and the final larger city held by the rebels, the chemical attack seems to have won Assad a significant victory - before the strikes. Assad indeed seems to have successfully held onto power, gained the upper hand militarily against insurgents, and put the rebel groups into a very weak position. Assad's survival has after all been his goal, and that of Russia and Iran.

Insurgent groups have criticized last night's strikes as not sufficient (they want sustained assistance against Assad's conventional capabilities) - and said they expect Assad to attack their surviving stronghold in Idlib in the northwest, and to use chemical weapons again. But Iran, the US, Russia, Israel, Turkey, Hezbollah, the Gulf states, what remains of ISIS, and Kurdish groups - the latter dug in along the northern border - all remain complicating factors, pursuing divergent/conflicting interests in Syria, which air strikes like last night's don't get to and which Trump's remarks didn't touch on. Heather Hurlburt in NY Magazine has labeled Trump's Syria strategy, in fact, "improvisational chaos" - although one might add that the chaos is imbedded in a general reduction of US involvement in the region combined with a tilt more toward Saudi Arabia and its allies. Trump's concomitant, long tilt toward Russia looks a bit in shambles at this juncture.

As for Assad . . . the Syrian war continues.
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Post by ElectricMonk » Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:36 pm

I see the Libby Pardon more in the context of Syria: Bolton, through Trump, is sending the signal that the Intelligence Community should make up a reason for intervention.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:48 pm

I just love war and patriotic gore and all, but to change the subject, here is one of a number of recent articles on the small wage increases seen by employees in the wake of the tax cut - in this case the author calculates that, far from the $4000-9000 annual increase promised by the authors of the tax bill, employees are taking home "an extra $322 a year."
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That's yuge. When combined with the all-encompassing free-for-all health care.
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scrmbldggs wrote:That's yuge. When combined with the all-encompassing free-for-all health care.
and the added bonus of state and local taxes going up, eh - why, we are getting into some serious negative increases :)
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In the interest of national security, Facebook needs to be shut down for the preceding six months of elections - along with the other fake news spewers and enablers. ;)

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Julian Borger is not impressed re: Syria: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... attlefield
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:17 pm

Upton_O_Goode wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote: Funny that should pop up after Heiferbee made such a...compelling case for the "No collusion" narrative today. :-P
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:08 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote: To compound Trump’s hypocrisy, these same Syrians at risk in the war are unwelcome to find refuge in Trump’s US. He allowed admission of just 44 Syrian refugees so far this year if I remember correctly.
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