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Post by Jeff_36 » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:16 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
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But maybe not.

Christ, Okies are so damn stupid. They go through eight years of piss-poor Republican mismanagement yet they vote the same people/types of people into office. It’s the essence of stupidity. Or insanity. Or both.

I’m sure I’ll hear bitching and moaning for the next four years yet they’ll do it again and again until the end of time.

Or Trump destroys the planet.

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We see the same thing in states like WVA and KY - the republicans have {!#%@} over their constituents there for years with great verve. They should be natural Democratic strongholds. The fact that they're not is due to the Democrats branding themselves as "the woke party," as well as a side of appeals to emotion by the GOP.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:16 am

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OK, I’m out. Enough already, I’ve got time over the next four years to rail on my ignorant Okie neighbors who can’t yank their heads out of their collective asses.
check out OK 5 first ...
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:18 am

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We see the same thing in states like WVA and KY - the republicans have {!#%@} over their constituents there for years with great verve. They should be natural Democratic strongholds. The fact that they're not is due to the Democrats branding themselves as "the woke party," as well as a side of appeals to emotion by the GOP.
Joe Manchin - woke? LOL Seriously?

Or put it another way: run Manchin in Chicago and see what happens.
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Re: Whitefish neo-nazi march

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:19 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:16 am
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:13 am
OK, I’m out. Enough already, I’ve got time over the next four years to rail on my ignorant Okie neighbors who can’t yank their heads out of their collective asses.
check out OK 5 first ...

I saw. It’s a very faint glimmer of intelligence from the brain dead Okie masses.
Also, Donald Trump is a clownfraud who only got involved in this for the attention.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:21 am

JD Scholten now 5.5% ahead with over 40% of the vote in. If he wins, my wife can no longer tease me for throwing good money away!
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Post by Balmoral95 » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:21 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:09 am
Balmoral95 wrote:
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CNN loosely projecting earlier up to 240.....
OK, I like CNN better tonight! LOL
They practically broke out champagne....

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:23 am

DeWine projected to beat Cordray for governor of OH.

CNN says that MN 2 gives Democrats 25 seats picked up, vs 2 lost, for net 23 seat gain ... Wasserman reports over 100 women elected to House tonight so far.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:23 am

Balmoral95 wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:21 am
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:09 am
Balmoral95 wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:07 am
CNN loosely projecting earlier up to 240.....
OK, I like CNN better tonight! LOL
They practically broke out champagne....
I don't drink so I've put the glue away :)
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:25 am

MSNBC says like 30 seat gain for Democrats. Which actually says that the House polling was pretty darned good ... LOL.
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Post by Jeff_36 » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:25 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:15 am
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Not a surprise for me. NY 19 had been Democratic before 2016 and voted for Obama twice.
Not a surprise but !!!! given how vicious the campaign against him was.
It's totally reasonable to question the judgement of someone who once made a living off of Gangsta Rap. There would be similar concerns raised if DMX were to run for mayor of Yonkers (unlikely).

I'm happy that the Democrats picked up the seat though - it's a nice feather in their cap.

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Post by Jeff_36 » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:27 am

Not really surprising but Ilhan Omar is absolutely crushing MN 5.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:28 am

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It's totally reasonable to question the judgement of someone who once made a living off of Gangsta Rap....
Oh good grief, they didn't "question" his youth ... the Democrats questioned Kavanaugh's youth, the GOP ran a racist smear campaign against Delgado.
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Post by Jeff_36 » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:30 am

McSally ahead by 13,000 votes in AZ.

Mississippi's Senate race will go to a runoff.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:32 am

Greg "The Slammer" Gianforte trailing slightly in early results in MT.
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Post by Jeff_36 » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:32 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:28 am
Jeff_36 wrote:
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It's totally reasonable to question the judgement of someone who once made a living off of Gangsta Rap....
Oh good grief, they didn't "question" his youth ... the Democrats questioned Kavanaugh's youth, the GOP ran a racist smear campaign against Delgado.
I speak for myself alone. I would have felt the exact same way if Kid Rock had ran for senate in Michigan (thank God he didn't). Delgado's race means nothing to me.

.....................I can't say that the same is true for the New York GOP :lol:

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Post by Jeff_36 » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:35 am

No congressional results from CA or NA yet.

GOP holds on to WI 7

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:38 am

Republican Chris Collins, facing felony insider-trading charges, has won re-election in his NY House race.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:39 am

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I speak for myself alone. I would have felt the exact same way if Kid Rock had ran for senate in Michigan (thank God he didn't). Delgado's race means nothing to me.

.....................I can't say that the same is true for the New York GOP :lol:
Defeating race-baiting is generally a good thing. Speaking for myself.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:39 am
Jeff_36 wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:32 am
I speak for myself alone. I would have felt the exact same way if Kid Rock had ran for senate in Michigan (thank God he didn't). Delgado's race means nothing to me.

.....................I can't say that the same is true for the New York GOP :lol:
Defeating race-baiting is generally a good thing. Speaking for myself.
Like I said, I'm happy they flipped the district.

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Post by Jeff_36 » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:41 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
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Republican Chris Collins, facing felony insider-trading charges, has won re-election in his NY House race.
The other half of the GOP's "toxic twins" - Duncan Hunter - stands a decent chance of losing his seat. I have to go to work at 8:30 tomorrow morning so I must call it a night.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:50 am

One recent headline/story has been how the rust belt has turned on Trump - even that the Democrats are rebuilding the blue wall in the Great Lakes region. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... tions.html
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:58 am

MSNBC calls white nationalist Steve King the winner in IA 4 ... the people elected him ...

... and in IL that Nazi Arthur Jones is at 27%, which is by far not the worst result for Republicans in the state - g'nite.
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Post by Balmoral95 » Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:26 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:23 am
Balmoral95 wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:21 am
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:09 am
Balmoral95 wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:07 am
CNN loosely projecting earlier up to 240.....
OK, I like CNN better tonight! LOL
They practically broke out champagne....
I don't drink so I've put the glue away :)
You mixed glue and champers.... never mind...

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Post by Balmoral95 » Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:39 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:23 am
DeWine projected to beat Cordray for governor of OH.

CNN says that MN 2 gives Democrats 25 seats picked up, vs 2 lost, for net 23 seat gain ... Wasserman reports over 100 women elected to House tonight so far.
I'll just bite my tongue as regards Ms. Wasserman.

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Post by Darren Wilshak » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:08 am

Well you didn't have to get into the ether at least. Even if the glue supply maybe slightly down...

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Balmoral95 wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:39 am
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:23 am
DeWine projected to beat Cordray for governor of OH.

CNN says that MN 2 gives Democrats 25 seats picked up, vs 2 lost, for net 23 seat gain ... Wasserman reports over 100 women elected to House tonight so far.
I'll just bite my tongue as regards Ms. Wasserman.
Make that Dave Wasserman! Lol
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:56 am

I don't see how people can still spin the continued support for the party of Trump as mainly economically based, after the campaign they just ran; if race- and immigrant-baiting didn't hold the House, it expanded the Senate and was hardly repudiated, as the political divisions of 2016 seem to have held and maybe deepened. Trump spent a helluva a lot of time cheerleading nativism in FL, MT, and MO of late, just sayin'. The outgoing Senators were mostly of the right-center, replaced with hard right Trump clones by and large. Many of those Republicans losing their House races were also right-center types (e.g. Cubelo in FL, Coffman in CO), hardening the GOP as a firmly right ethno-nationalist party dominated by Trumpism.

McConnell's marriage of convenience with Trump worked - and McConnell, along with Gingrich, remains the most malevolent American politician in recent memory. By contrast, Schumer looks even more hapless than he has the past two years.

Trump's biggest victory last night may have been a clean sweep inside the Republican party: Steve King is, sadly, not out of place there, nor is Greg Gianforte. He can with some justice say that Republicans who didn't clutch onto him failed (Heller being one big name).

At first blush the Democratic wins don't appear so ideologically consistent, but in terms of ideology, gender, and ethnicity, the Democratic congressional delegation will look more like the country than the Republicans'. But a lot of good that does: achieving a roughly average House midterm result in these times is overall disappointing for the Democrats. I'm not overly optimistic that the Democrats will know what to do with the House, frankly.

The Democratic losses in FL (Senate, governor) and GA (governor) stand out; these campaigns were at the epicenter of race-baiting and in the case of GA voter suppression. Ohio's governorship was a lower profile, brutal loss for the Democrats.

The Democrats as of this morning have a 1 seat edge in the House, which should increase with late results; they got 51% of the House vote nationally, just +4 points to the Republican vote - I would guess that will edge up modestly as well. But certainly no wave happened.

It will be interesting to see how white men voted (hints in WaPo that turnout among white men was high). After I stopped posting last night, as we discussed Nazi Arthur Jones and WN Steve King, the talk here was about whether the people of the US should consider splitting the country up and what configurations might work! LOL

Sherrod Brown may come out of this as a presidential contender for 2020. Whatever, we are in for two years of hearing about how Nancy Pelosi and her Antifas want to destroy the American dream, put whites out of work, replace white voters with illegals to gain power, and open the borders to MS-13 and Isis terrorist from Honduras ... Kavanaugh, the Karavan and Karnage. Half the country still eats this crap up.

btw Greg "The Slammer" Gianforte won in MT, whilst Ironstache (Democratic white working class hero contesting Paul Ryan's old seat) lost. Roskam (IL), architect of the Trump tax cuts, was beaten.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
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...The outgoing Senators were mostly of the right-center, replaced with hard right Trump clones by and large...
That's what I was afraid of. Same is gonna happen with whomever is left but going to leave the Cabinet/administration.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:15 pm

In the gym this morning, first thing I see is "Dems will use house majority to launch Trump investigations."

Height of stupidity. Good luck with that slim majority you will lose in a couple of years.

OTOH the Okies I am in here with look very happy. I suppose ignorance is bliss.
Also, Donald Trump is a clownfraud who only got involved in this for the attention.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:30 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:15 pm
In the gym this morning, first thing I see is "Dems will use house majority to launch Trump investigations."
I doubt anyone knows, honestly, what they will do and how.
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Height of stupidity.
Not necessarily. If they don't place checks on Trump, the Democratic base - and those who came out and voted for Democrats in these districts, will hold this crew accountable. That's partly what they voted for.
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Good luck with that slim majority you will lose in a couple of years.
They need subtle, skilled leaders - who will take on Trump and the Republicans without its blowing up in their face. I think that the bottom line is that the country's deep divisions are settling in.

In this regard, Beto O'Rourke's concession speech sounded almost deranged to me. He pledged to work with Cruz on a variety of topics, like healthcare, almost as though he were speaking in 1958 instead of 2018.

People who are inclined toward the Democrats need to understand that Trump's win was not a fluke and wasn't all about Trump. The country really is as divided as it appears.

The millennials we had over last night, btw, were as caustic about the Democratic party as they were about the Republicans. They decidedly didn't go for Beto O'Rourke. They were very happy with Ocasio-Cortez's (sure) victory, and had a kind of long view (if deluded) that the Democratic party needs to go through a multi-year transformation. They see the current Democrats as almost as much a problem as the Republicans - almost.

On another topic, the more I think about it, the more I think Sherrod. I was thinking a Harris-Brown ticket for 2020, but maybe Brown-Harris.
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Some seem to be hoping for a Biden-.....................................Obama? :-P
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:53 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
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I doubt anyone knows, honestly, what they will do and how.
I think trying to turn this into a Trump investigation fest is a losing strategy. Concentrate on core issues and protect Mueller is a better way to go.
Not necessarily. If they don't place checks on Trump, the Democratic base - and those who came out and voted for Democrats in these districts, will hold this crew accountable. That's partly what they voted for.
Checks, yes but I think turning the next two years into a slogfest will give Trump fuel for Republicans to turn this against them in 2020.
They need subtle, skilled leaders - who will take on Trump and the Republicans without its blowing up in their face. I think that the bottom line is that the country's deep divisions are settling in.
I think the Democratic leadership lacks subtlety and skill.

IMO concentrate on taxes, healthcare, education.....while keeping pressure on Trump. Cut his agenda off at the Congressional level while substituting their own. Even if their legislation gets no further force Trump and the Senate to be the one to say no.
People who are inclined toward the Democrats need to understand that Trump's win was not a fluke and wasn't all about Trump. The country really is as divided as it appears.
Yes, I agree.
The millennials we had over last night, btw, were as caustic about the Democratic party as they were about the Republicans. They decidedly didn't go for Beto O'Rourke. They were very happy with Ocasio-Cortez's (sure) victory, and had a kind of long view (if deluded) that the Democratic party needs to go through a multi-year transformation. They see the current Democrats as almost as much a problem as the Republicans - almost.
That’s not good, we don’t have the luxury of time. If Democrats lose the house in two years and slide to an even more impotent minority in the Senate....while Trump picks up another term..... :frown:
Also, Donald Trump is a clownfraud who only got involved in this for the attention.

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In other news, a dead Republican wins office in Nevada:

https://www.koco.com/article/dead-broth ... n/24778076

Apparently the party of morals thought a dead pimp was an excellent choice.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:22 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:
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Some seem to be hoping for a Biden-.....................................Obama? :-P
Not Biden, please, no!
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Well, I already nominated Captain Sully elsewhere. And heard others had the same thought. :lol:
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:32 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:53 pm
I think trying to turn this into a Trump investigation fest is a losing strategy. Concentrate on core issues and protect Mueller is a better way to go.
I just don't think even the Dems know what they will do so I thought the headline you quoted was kind of odd.
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Checks, yes but I think turning the next two years into a slogfest will give Trump fuel for Republicans to turn this against them in 2020.
My point is that if they don't, they will lose a lot of their vote in a different way. A lot of Democratic voters will be really pissed off with the party if the leaders continue to appear weak. They aren't really looking for "reasonable" appearance.

I am not sure. Throwing investigations at the wall would be dumb (so they'll probably do just that), but targeted investigations executed well (unlike the Kavanaugh debacle) that put checks on Trump make sense. I think corruption in government should be one of the Democrats' wedge issues, frankly.
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IMO concentrate on taxes, healthcare, education.....while keeping pressure on Trump. Cut his agenda off at the Congressional level while substituting their own. Even if their legislation gets no further force Trump and the Senate to be the one to say no.
But they can't get the Democratic items through the Senate or the Oval Office. I would actually put comprehensive immigration reform, a la the 2013 bill, at the head of the line, because if they could get somewhere it would take away Trump's wedge issue and if they don't (which they won't), they will at least have a talking point.

Did you see that a number of very deep red states passed Medicaid expansion? Bizarroland.
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That’s not good, we don’t have the luxury of time. If Democrats lose the house in two years and slide to an even more impotent minority in the Senate....while Trump picks up another term..... :frown:
I assume that Trump will win in 2020. He has 1) enough of the country firmly behind him, probably led by white males; 2) the advantage of gerrymandering, voter suppression, and the overrepresentation of rural areas and empty states; 3) the southern strategy on steroids; and 4) a still confused, rudderless Democratic party.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:32 pm

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Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:30 pm
Well, I already nominated Captain Sully elsewhere. And heard others had the same thought. :lol:
Just so long as it isn't Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, or Michael Avenatti.
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Post by scrmbldggs » Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:40 pm

OK - Pelosi. 8-)
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:08 pm

LOL why not someone in his or her 80s?
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Re: Whitefish neo-nazi march

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:12 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:32 pm

I just don't think even the Dems know what they will do so I thought the headline you quoted was kind of odd.
I agree, I don’t think it makes sense.
My point is that if they don't, they will lose a lot of their vote in a different way. A lot of Democratic voters will be really pissed off with the party if the leaders continue to appear weak. They aren't really looking for "reasonable" appearance.
Battling Trump and the Republicans tooth and nail over items is one thing, trying to impeach Trump is another. I’m saying deal with it realistically. Keep investigations open, protect them while working on progressive items your base wants. If investigations turn up things open those avenues.
I am not sure. Throwing investigations at the wall would be dumb (so they'll probably do just that), but targeted investigations executed well (unlike the Kavanaugh debacle) that put checks on Trump make sense. I think corruption in government should be one of the Democrats' wedge issues, frankly.
I think we are essentially in agreement.
But they can't get the Democratic items through the Senate or the Oval Office.
That doesn’t matter. Force the Senate and Trump to say no. Even if you don’t make it work go on the offensive and force them to either say no or compromise.

I think this is key. Show leadership, take the initiative, keep up the pressure. You now have the Congress, use it. Make the Republicans and Trump react to you for a change.

I would actually put comprehensive immigration reform, a la the 2013 bill, at the head of the line, because if they could get somewhere it would take away Trump's wedge issue and if they don't (which they won't), they will at least have a talking point.
That’s good but I wouldn’t make it go first. Push other things like healthcare to the forefront.
Did you see that a number of very deep red states passed Medicaid expansion? Bizarroland.
That’s what convinces me that this Congress should start with Healthcare.
I assume that Trump will win in 2020. He has 1) enough of the country firmly behind him, probably led by white males; 2) the advantage of gerrymandering, voter suppression, and the overrepresentation of rural areas and empty states; 3) the southern strategy on steroids; and 4) a still confused, rudderless Democratic party.
I can’t make that assumption, at least not yet. The key is finding a good Democratic candidate, not one of the old guard.
Also, Donald Trump is a clownfraud who only got involved in this for the attention.

Deadspin, 2014:
https://deadspin.com/there-are-just-two ... 1613879544