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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Factchecker » Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:09 pm

So if we know that this statement is true:
It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive archaeological allegations / insinuations to the contrary, the simple truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the one hundred graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically located / proven to currently exist at these five “holocaust sites” in which actual, verified human remains have literally / truly been physically unearthed / tangibly located by archaeologists / forensic investigators by means of bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology / forensic science; contains the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

http://nafcash.com/

As far as Sobibor is concerned, then we know this statement is true of Sobibor as well:

...to date, it can still be categorically stated that; archaeologists / forensic investigators cannot prove the existence of even one mass grave at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor or Treblinka II that contains so-much-as - 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the alleged buried remains - NOT ONE!

http://nafcash.com/
And I would have to say that, based on my experience so far, this is true also:
By examining each “huge mass grave” allegation separately, an intelligent person can easily see just how utterly vacuous and criminally fraudulent this “archaeologically proven” charade really is.

http://nafcash.com/

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:51 pm

It’s nice to have you back, Greg, damnit, I meant Factchecker.

So, let us know when you are done and we can proceed. Anymore graves you want to analyze?
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Balmoral95 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:14 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:It’s nice to have you back, Greg, damnit, I meant Factchecker.

So, let us know when you are done and we can proceed. Anymore graves you want to analyze?
Hasn't everyone been thru this useless exercise with this useless twot since Moses was wearing short pants and knee socks? :roll:

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:01 am

Balmoral95 wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:It’s nice to have you back, Greg, damnit, I meant Factchecker.

So, let us know when you are done and we can proceed. Anymore graves you want to analyze?
Hasn't everyone been thru this useless exercise with this useless twot since Moses was wearing short pants and knee socks? :roll:
We’ll see how Gr....Factchecker wants to proceed.
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
:lol: :lol:
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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Balmoral95 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:21 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Balmoral95 wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:It’s nice to have you back, Greg, damnit, I meant Factchecker.

So, let us know when you are done and we can proceed. Anymore graves you want to analyze?
Hasn't everyone been thru this useless exercise with this useless twot since Moses was wearing short pants and knee socks? :roll:
We’ll see how Gr....Factchecker wants to proceed.
You're expecting a star in the East?

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:53 am

Nah, just a dumbass focused on graves.
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
:lol: :lol:
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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Balmoral95 » Sun Jun 17, 2018 5:37 am

I had to love this:

"Based on my experience".... LMAO, doing what exactly?

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Factchecker » Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:59 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:Anymore graves you want to analyze?
Why yes, thank you.

Just list all the graves of Sobibor that are larger (in terms of quantity of remains) than grave #12.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:26 pm

Factchecker wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:Anymore graves you want to analyze?
Why yes, thank you.

Just list all the graves of Sobibor that are larger (in terms of quantity of remains) than grave #12.

Thanks in advance.
That’s your job, Greg, damnit, Factchecker.
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
:lol: :lol:
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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:32 pm

I guess at some point we are going to get the big reveal about the most bodies being found is five or six, therefore the Germans didn’t do it and the Holocaust never happened. The Jews all wound up in Unicornville where they then left for sunny Israel or Florida.

Or maybe it won’t go that far, Greg never did have any answers. Sorry, Factchecker.
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
:lol: :lol:
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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:38 pm

I’m a bit surprised we haven’t seen more of something like this:
Does anyone here deny that it has never been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that at least six million jews died in a so-called "threatened holocaust" before, during or shortly after WWI?

Does anyone here deny that there is not even a preponderance of evidence that at least six million jews died in a so-called "threatened holocaust" before, during or shortly after WWI?

Does anyone here deny that it has never been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that at least eight million jews died in a so-called "holocaust" during WWII?

Does anyone here deny that there is not even a preponderance of evidence that at least eight million jews died in a so-called "holocaust" during WWII?

Does anyone here deny that it has never been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that at least six million jews died in a so-called "holocaust" during WWII?

Does anyone here deny that there is not even a preponderance of evidence that at least six million jews died in a so-called "holocaust" during WWII?

Does anyone here deny that it has never been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that at least 5.5 million jews died in a so-called "holocaust" during WWII?

Does anyone here deny that there is not even a preponderance of evidence that at least 5.5 million jews died in a so-called "holocaust" during WWII?

Does anyone here deny that it has never been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that at least five million jews died in a so-called "holocaust" during WWII?

Does anyone here deny that there is not even a preponderance of evidence that at least five million jews died in a so-called "holocaust" during WWII?

Is it unreasonable for an honest, intelligent, logical, rational, truth-seeking researcher of this subject to conclude, after carefully studying and weighing countless bits of relevant evidence, that the numerous allegations of six million suffering jews made between 1900 and 1940, were religiously founded gross exaggerations spread by Zionist propagandists?

Is it unreasonable for an honest, intelligent, logical, rational, truth-seeking researcher of this subject to conclude, after carefully studying and weighing countless bits of relevant evidence, that less than six million jews died in the so-called "jewish holocaust of WWII"?
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
:lol: :lol:
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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Factchecker » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:08 pm

I’m a bit surprised we haven’t seen more of something like this...
Keep your eye on the ball Jeffk. We're factchecking the following statement:

It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive archaeological allegations / insinuations to the contrary, the simple truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the one hundred graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically located / proven to currently exist at these five “holocaust sites” in which actual, verified human remains have literally / truly been physically unearthed / tangibly located by archaeologists / forensic investigators by means of bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology / forensic science; contains the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

http://nafcash.com/

A better question would be:

The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.
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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:10 pm

Factchecker wrote:
I’m a bit surprised we haven’t seen more of something like this...
Keep your eye on the ball Jeffk. We're factchecking the following statement:

It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive archaeological allegations / insinuations to the contrary, the simple truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the one hundred graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically located / proven to currently exist at these five “holocaust sites” in which actual, verified human remains have literally / truly been physically unearthed / tangibly located by archaeologists / forensic investigators by means of bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology / forensic science; contains the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

http://nafcash.com/

Better questions would be:
#55 - The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed scientifically verified human remains; is no less than __?__.

#56 - The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 21 people; is no less than __?__.

https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=224 ... count=2823

OK, ball’s back in your court, Greg.
I mean Factchecker.
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
:lol: :lol:
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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:12 pm

Hi, Factchecker:
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Got any more reveals for us today?
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
:lol: :lol:
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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Factchecker » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:12 pm

OK, ball’s back in your court, Greg.
I mean Jeffk.


The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.


The first 18 graves / cremation pits are shown in this map:

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And the other 6 are shown in this map:

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:14 pm

Factchecker wrote:OK, ball’s back in your court, Greg.
I mean Jeffk.


The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.
Is this where you start spamming this thread with endless questions like the above?
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
:lol: :lol:
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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Factchecker » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:15 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Factchecker wrote:OK, ball’s back in your court, Greg.
I mean Jeffk.


The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.
Is this where you start spamming this thread with endless questions like the above?
Is this where you start spamming this thread with endless refusals like the below?

The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Factchecker » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:16 pm

Keep your eye on the ball Greg. I mean Jeffk.

We're factchecking the following statement:

It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive archaeological allegations / insinuations to the contrary, the simple truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the one hundred graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically located / proven to currently exist at these five “holocaust sites” in which actual, verified human remains have literally / truly been physically unearthed / tangibly located by archaeologists / forensic investigators by means of bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology / forensic science; contains the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

http://nafcash.com/
Remember, I'm concentrating on Sobibor at the moment, and looking for proof that a grave larger (in terms of quantity of remains) than the following actually exists there:

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:21 pm

OK, Greg, I mean Factchecker. I’m a little busy right now so we will take this up again later.
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
:lol: :lol:
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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Factchecker » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:24 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:OK, Greg, I mean Factchecker. I’m a little busy right now so we will take this up again later.
Ok, Greg, I mean Jeffk.

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:14 pm

Factchecker wrote:Hello, I am trying to fact check this statement of fact from The National Association of Forensic Historians:


"It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive claims / allegations / insinuations to the contrary, the simple truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the one hundred graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically located / proven to currently exist at these five sites - in which actual, verified human remains have literally / truly been physically unearthed / tangibly located by archaeologists / forensic investigators by means of bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology / forensic science; contains the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE."
OK, this Gregchecker’s original statement. I’ll take a closer look later.
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
:lol: :lol:
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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:52 am

It might be worthwhile for Factgerdes to specify what “remains” means to him. Is it only whole corpses? Or do cremains count?
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
:lol: :lol:
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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Oozy_Substance » Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:33 pm

Factchecker :
Graves 12 and 13 were discovered parallel to the north fence of the camp
and further excavation may reveal more graves eastward. We have yet to identify the
murdered victims in these graves. They may have been Jewish victims or Poles that
the NKVD executed close to the time that camp operated during World War II.
It seems your six-men grave may not be related to Sobibor's extermination at all. The bullet wound and boots are actually good evidence for that.
Graves 1 and 2 are not mass graves, however the remains of humans bones found in
the deposits suggest that they were used to some extent for the burial of victims in the
camp. Again, further research is required to determine the precise use of these pits.
As long as you don't verify how many people these remains belong to your rambling is invalid.

Edit :
Grave 14, was uncovered several meters southeast of the crematorium (Figs. 2 and
18). This grave contained the remains of a fully extended skeleton with a shell
cartridge lodged in the right arm.
English is not my native tongue, so I may be in the wrong here - "fully extended skeleton with a shell
cartridge lodged in the right arm. " - does it mean the skeleton held onto a cartridge? Again seems like killing not related to the extermination process as the inmates carried no weapons.
Grave 15, was uncovered several meters south of the crematorium (Figs. 2 and 20).
This grave is similar to Grave 1, with a thin 0.10 m. layer of dark soil mixed with
crushed bone fragments discovered at a depth of 2.5 m. and under the layer of sterile
sand described above. It is necessary to continue the excavation toward the southeast
in order to expose the size of Grave 15
More bone fragments that make Factchecker's rambling invalid.

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Factchecker » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:53 pm

Oozy_Substance:
More bone fragments that make Factchecker's rambling invalid.
A simple question that shows Oozy_Substance's ramblings to be invalid:

Oozy, the MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.

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Post by Factchecker » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:59 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:It might be worthwhile for Factgerdes to specify what “remains” means to him. Is it only whole corpses? Or do cremains count?
Greg, since this statement of fact:
It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive archaeological allegations / insinuations to the contrary, the simple truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the one hundred graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically located / proven to currently exist at these five “holocaust sites” in which actual, verified human remains have literally / truly been physically unearthed / tangibly located by archaeologists / forensic investigators by means of bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology / forensic science; contains the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

http://nafcash.com/
does not specify any particular type of human remains,
any "actual, verified human remains" works for me.

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Oozy_Substance » Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:34 pm

He calls himself Factchecker, yet he is more like a Facttwister.
Fact is that crushed bone fragments were unearthed in excavations in Sobibor. Those who claim Sobibor was a transit-camp (to where?) should explain why bone fragments were unearthed in its soil, let alone crushed bone fragments.
The existence of bone fragments in Sobibor soil makes your statement invalid, the number of individual human remains unearthed from Sobibor is currently unknown, as no one bothered to run DNA tests on the bone remains and verify to how many people they belong to. Same goes to Belzec or Treblinka, in both of which human remains, in the shape of bones or ashes, were found.

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Factchecker » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:09 pm

Oozy_Substance wrote:Fact is that crushed bone fragments were unearthed in excavations in Sobibor.
Oozy, keep your eye on the ball.

This is the statement of fact that we are checking:
It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive archaeological allegations / insinuations to the contrary, the simple truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the one hundred graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically located / proven to currently exist at these five “holocaust sites” in which actual, verified human remains have literally / truly been physically unearthed / tangibly located by archaeologists / forensic investigators by means of bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology / forensic science; contains the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

http://nafcash.com/
And to check it for its veracity, we are asking this simple question:
The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.
The correct answer to the above question is somewhere between 0 and 24. If the answer is 0, then the statement of fact that we are checking is true. If the answer to the above question is somewhere between 1-24, then the above statement of fact that we are checking is false.

What is the correct answer to the above simple question Oozy?

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

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"We are still waiting for anyone to rebut the main theme of the article that the decode in question and the numbers it quoted perfectly match those in the Korherr report.

Until such a rebuttal comes to light and goes through peer review the article stands the test of time. And after 10 years since the article was published both Peter (Witte) and I have moved on to other research projects. "

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Post by Darren Wilshak » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:53 pm

OOZY a word from a wise bloke, don't argue with Mr Factchecker.
"We are still waiting for anyone to rebut the main theme of the article that the decode in question and the numbers it quoted perfectly match those in the Korherr report.

Until such a rebuttal comes to light and goes through peer review the article stands the test of time. And after 10 years since the article was published both Peter (Witte) and I have moved on to other research projects. "

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:05 pm

Factchecker wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:It might be worthwhile for Factgerdes to specify what “remains” means to him. Is it only whole corpses? Or do cremains count?
Greg, since this statement of fact:
It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive archaeological allegations / insinuations to the contrary, the simple truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the one hundred graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically located / proven to currently exist at these five “holocaust sites” in which actual, verified human remains have literally / truly been physically unearthed / tangibly located by archaeologists / forensic investigators by means of bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology / forensic science; contains the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

http://nafcash.com/
does not specify any particular type of human remains,
any "actual, verified human remains" works for me.
So, ash, bone, that sort of thing, that works, Gregfactgerdeschecker?
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Balmoral95 » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:04 pm

Why talk to this deadbeat: Roberto answered the question years ago and never got his dough. Roberto should have sued him. but all he would've got out of it was a double-wide and an outhouse.

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Post by Oozy_Substance » Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:05 am

Facttwister wrote: What is the correct answer to the above simple question Oozy?
Well, let's see what Haimi wrote in his report :
Yoram Haimi wrote: Undoubtedly, the double fence revealed in Camp III separated two distinct areas of
activity. On the east side of the double fence were uncovered numerous remains of
burnt bones and metal and many artifacts were discovered on the surface. On the west
side of the same fence evidence of different activities were exposed, including the two
graves, Graves 1 and 2, as well as Object E where earlier excavations in 2011
revealed evidence of a trench filled with bullets and spent gun cartridges.. In this area,
we found small amounts of artifacts and only slight remains of burning.
Given human remains were found in Graves 1 and 2 and given ever greater amount of human remains were found on the east side of the double fence it would be obviously FALSE to say the remains of only six people were found in a grave. In another video I saw Haimi speaks of layers of soil with bone fragments, layer after layer.
Balmoral95 wrote:Why talk to this deadbeat: Roberto answered the question years ago and never got his dough. Roberto should have sued him. but all he would've got out of it was a double-wide and an outhouse.
Is Roberto's answer available anywhere?

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Balmoral95 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:24 am

Oozy_Substance wrote:
Facttwister wrote: What is the correct answer to the above simple question Oozy?
Well, let's see what Haimi wrote in his report :
Yoram Haimi wrote: Undoubtedly, the double fence revealed in Camp III separated two distinct areas of
activity. On the east side of the double fence were uncovered numerous remains of
burnt bones and metal and many artifacts were discovered on the surface. On the west
side of the same fence evidence of different activities were exposed, including the two
graves, Graves 1 and 2, as well as Object E where earlier excavations in 2011
revealed evidence of a trench filled with bullets and spent gun cartridges.. In this area,
we found small amounts of artifacts and only slight remains of burning.

Last post on this:

DON'T FEED THE CHIMP!

This anti-semitic pig-{!#%@} charlatan has been peddling this crap since 2007.

Given human remains were found in Graves 1 and 2 and given ever greater amount of human remains were found on the east side of the double fence it would be obviously FALSE to say the remains of only six people were found in a grave. In another video I saw Haimi speaks of layers of soil with bone fragments, layer after layer.

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Factchecker » Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:27 pm

There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding in this thread, so I think I'll make a post that we can all refer to that lays out the simple statement of fact that I'm checking and the simple related question that I'm using to check it.

Hopefully, that will help everyone keep their eye on the ball.

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:31 pm

Go right ahead, Factchecker.
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Factchecker » Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:46 pm

This is the statement of fact that I'm checking:
It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive archaeological allegations / insinuations to the contrary, the simple truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the one hundred graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically located / proven to currently exist at these five “holocaust sites” in which actual, verified human remains have literally / truly been physically unearthed / tangibly located by archaeologists / forensic investigators by means of bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology / forensic science; contains the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

http://nafcash.com/
To be more specific, at the moment I'm checking its veracity as it relates to Sobibor, because the "huge mass grave" that is mentioned above as containing 6 people was "scientifically located / proven to currently exist" at Sobibor.

And here is a photo of that grave:

Image

And here are the two maps that show the 24 "scientifically located / proven to currently exist" graves at of Sobibor:

The first 18 graves / cremation pits are shown in this map:

Image

And the other 6 are shown in this map:

Image

And here is how the 24 graves are numbered:
And here is how Haimi's numbers correspond to THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE
( http://nafcash.com/ ) numbering system:


Haimi's "grave" #1 A = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #1/62

Haimi's "grave" #2 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #2/63

Haimi's "Memory Hill" (AKA the - "monument of ashes / mound of remains") = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #3/64

Haimi's "grave" #3/4 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #4/65

Haimi's "grave" #5 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #5/66

Haimi's "grave" #6 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #6/67

Haimi's "grave" #7 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #7/68

Haimi's "grave" #8 (8/15) = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #8/69

Haimi's "grave" #9 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #9/70

Haimi's "grave" #10 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #10/71

Haimi's "grave" #11 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #11/72

Haimi's "grave" #12 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #12/73

Haimi's "grave" #13 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #13/74

Haimi's "grave" #14= The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #14/75

Haimi's "grave" #15 (8/15) = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #15/76

Haimi's "grave" #16 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #16/77

Haimi's "grave" #17 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #17/78

Haimi's "grave" #18 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #18/79

Haimi's "grave" #19 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #19/80

Haimi's "grave" #20 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #20/81

Haimi's "grave" #21 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #21/82

Haimi's "grave" #22 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #22/83

Haimi's "grave" #1 B = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #23/84

Haimi's "grave" #1 C = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #24/85


Note: "Graves #21 and #22" are actually labeled by Yoram Haimi as "Objects 6094-6095." However, you cannot see his numbers clearly in the map, so #21 and #22 have used instead. (The numbers are in red, below the orange colored "graves.")

https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=224 ... count=2826
And lastly, here is the simple question that is being asked:
The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.
Edited to add:

The correct answer to the above question is somewhere between 0 and 24.

If the answer is 0, then the above statement of fact that we are checking is true. If the answer is somewhere between 1-24, then the above statement of fact that we are checking is false.
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Post by Oozy_Substance » Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:51 pm

Why is your question written in some sort of robot-language?
Regardless, ask your question over and over, the answer won't be different. Mr. Haimi unearthed in Sobibor graves containing crushed and burned bones, and in big numbers, rendering your "transit-camps" argument even more unreasonable and unfounded.

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Oozy_Substance » Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:58 pm

Balmoral95 wrote:Why talk to this deadbeat: Roberto answered the question years ago and never got his dough. Roberto should have sued him. but all he would've got out of it was a double-wide and an outhouse.
Is Roberto's answer available somewhere? I always like reading him.

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Balmoral95 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:20 pm

Oozy_Substance wrote:
Balmoral95 wrote:Why talk to this deadbeat: Roberto answered the question years ago and never got his dough. Roberto should have sued him. but all he would've got out of it was a double-wide and an outhouse.
Is Roberto's answer available somewhere? I always like reading him.
The short answer is at the HC Blog (also the VNN Forum). He's got several posts there relating to this.

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... pdate.html

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:24 pm

Oozy_Substance wrote:Why is your question written in some sort of robot-language?
Regardless, ask your question over and over, the answer won't be different. Mr. Haimi unearthed in Sobibor graves containing crushed and burned bones, and in big numbers, rendering your "transit-camps" argument even more unreasonable and unfounded.

This is....”Factchecker’s”.....style.

This will go on for some time. I don’t mind, it helps take my mind off of some very unpleasant real life realities going on in the United States.
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
:lol: :lol:
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