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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:18 pm

Jeff_36 wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:08 pm
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:54 pm
Jeff_36 wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:32 pm
gorgeous wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:47 pm
no...all you prissy virgins are shocked by men wanting sex at sex parties apparantly....
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR {!#%@} MIND DUDE? We are talking about CHILDREN here! Girls as young as 13!
Yep, and besides which, we are not "shocked" that powerful men take advantage of others, including children: we think it is immoral and revolting ... but not surprising. For one thing, sticking with Epstein and his circle, this has been well known for over a decade, as has Trump's friendship with, and encouragement of, the criminal. Why would anyone be "shocked" that such things happen, when they happen so often? So, too, do murder, robbery, domestic abuse, battery, and many other attacks on individuals and communities. Gorgeous method: a lot of people do this stuff, so why call it out?
All true but a few caveates:

1. Epstien's degeneracy is well known, as is Trump's association with him. It has not been national news until now. It was not national news at any point in his political career. There is wider exposure now.
Trump has been widely quoted for a long time on Epstein's attraction to young girls. But, yes, this story, which bubbled up during the campaign only to quickly disappear, has been kept out of the news, and might well have been ignored (suppressed?) if not for the Miami Herald's reporting, Julie K Brown specifically, from I think last fall.

I first read about Epstein in the context of ancillary accusations, I am positive this was after his conviction, against Prince Andrew and Dershowitz.

The point I was trying to make is that no one here is shocked that rich, powerful men behave in these ways - and to equate our obvious concern about sexual violence (and sexual slavery) to a ruffling of virginal feathers over sex partying is worse than equivocating - it is intentionally blurring consensual behavior and rape. Am I surprised, nonetheless, that rape happens? Of course not. Am I appalled that it does? Of course.
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2. I'm not shocked that Trump would be caught up in something like this - I'm shocked that his followers make excuses for it. I had always been under the impression that kiddy-{!#%@} were universally hated and rejected by all segments of society. Even convicted criminals incarcerated for horrid crimes go out of their way to harm them - and rightfully so.
Nothing done or said by the degenerates, deplorables, racists and racist apologists, authoritarian wannabes, and assorted creeps and {!#%@} who have gathered unto Bloatus surprises me.
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Re: Trump will win!

Post by scrmbldggs » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:19 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:54 pm
Jeff_36 wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:32 pm
gorgeous wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:47 pm
no...all you prissy virgins are shocked by men wanting sex at sex parties apparantly....
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR {!#%@} MIND DUDE? We are talking about CHILDREN here! Girls as young as 13!
Yep, and besides which, we are not "shocked" that powerful men take advantage of others, including children: we think it is immoral and revolting ... but not surprising. For one thing, sticking with Epstein and his circle, this has been well known for over a decade, as has Trump's friendship with, and encouragement of, the criminal. Why would anyone be "shocked" that such things happen, when they happen so often? So, too, do murder, robbery, domestic abuse, battery, and many other attacks on individuals and communities. Gorgeous method: a lot of people libs do this stuff, so why call it out?
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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:20 pm

ty I felt something was a bit off :)
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Re: Trump will whine!

Post by scrmbldggs » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:23 pm

So-called conservative true Paytriots™ might be into righteous child marriages (and all the other stuff), but not into calling it out (in their ranks). Bad manners and all that, ya know...
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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Jeff_36 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:26 pm

If I hear any Trumpist being up Jimmy Page or Elvis's weird behavior in the context of defending Trump/Epstien, I will blow a gasket. YOU WOULDN'T VOTE ELVIS IN AS POTUS WOULD YOU!?!?!?!?!? IDIOTS!!!

Sorry....... I just can't stand relativism from the supposed anti-relativists. It's akin to how Woodrow Wilson, the supposed standard bearer for Liberal Internationalisim - saw fit to hang the Armenians out to dry. Same concept - loosely.

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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Jeff_36 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:29 pm

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don't see you ranting about how evil and cruel he was...
What's your ethnicity?

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Re: Trump will whine!

Post by scrmbldggs » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:57 pm

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no...all you prissy virgins are shocked by men wanting sex at sex parties apparantly....

>> "we are not "shocked" that powerful men take advantage of others, including..." porn stars.

Seems evidence in the Cohen case and possible campaign finance violations will be released tomorrow. Even tho Epstain-Barr's club is fighting it. But the judge said it's "of national importance".

So, imho, it will either exonerate Rump - or quite the opposite...
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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Jeff_36 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:32 pm

On a side note: I'd love to challenge Trump to a pull-up contest, and I'm 100% certain I would win.

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Re: Trump will whine!

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:38 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:57 pm
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Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:47 pm
no...all you prissy virgins are shocked by men wanting sex at sex parties apparantly....

>> "we are not "shocked" that powerful men take advantage of others, including..." porn stars.

Seems evidence in the Cohen case and possible campaign finance violations will be released tomorrow. Even tho Epstain-Barr's club is fighting it. But the judge said it's "of national importance".

So, imho, it will either exonerate Rump - or quite the opposite...
It appears that Barr's DOJ brought an end to the campaign-law violations/hush money case, as it did to SDNY's investigation of Trump Org generally (https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/wh ... n-new-york).
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Re: Trump will whine!

Post by scrmbldggs » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:58 pm

Jeff_36 wrote:
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On a side note: I'd love to challenge Trump to a pull-up contest, and I'm 100% certain I would win.
Depends. Maybe his pampered rear end actually isn't quite as large as seen in pictures and videos. :-P



(But his arms are rather pitiful, I'll give you that...)
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Re: Trump will win!

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Re: Trump will win!

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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:10 am

I’m not the biggest Letterman fan. Don’t get me wrong, he’s funny and his show was on forever. But unlike a lot of my friends I didn’t make a point of watching him every night. I caught a few shows now and again but it was never a habit. But this did catch my eye.

This is from 2012:
https://m.facebook.com/watch/?v=488568675021612&_rdr
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Re: Trump will win!

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Re: Trump will win!

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:mad:
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Re: Trump will swine!

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Re: Trump won't win!

Post by scrmbldggs » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:57 am

That poor lady at his tiny right shoulder doesn't look too happy that she took that job as sign holder...


...and the other one is waayyy overdoing it. I wonder how much they pay them.
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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Jeff_36 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:22 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:33 am
that's funny, this is butt ugly:



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ilhan-omar
This should be headline news tomorrow morning. Absolute disgusting bile.
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Re: Trump will win!

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Which makes one wonder why Gorgeous comes here to spew his ridiculous vomitus...

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Re: Trump will win!

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Jeff_36 wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:32 pm
gorgeous wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:47 pm
no...all you prissy virgins are shocked by men wanting sex at sex parties apparantly....
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR {!#%@} MIND DUDE? We are talking about CHILDREN here! Girls as young as 13!
don't cuss and dude at me.......the cheerleaders weren't 13...get a grip
Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity.

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Re: Trump will whine!

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scrmbldggs wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:57 pm
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Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:47 pm
no...all you prissy virgins are shocked by men wanting sex at sex parties apparantly....

>> "we are not "shocked" that powerful men take advantage of others, including..." porn stars.

Seems evidence in the Cohen case and possible campaign finance violations will be released tomorrow. Even tho Epstain-Barr's club is fighting it. But the judge said it's "of national importance".

So, imho, it will either exonerate Rump - or quite the opposite...
--------take advantage? they were willing partners
Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity.

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Re: Trump will whine!

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Balmoral95 wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:45 am
Which makes one wonder why Gorgeous comes here to spew his ridiculous vomitus...
You're not alone, that's a frequently asked question. I guess there are, sadly, such poor souls who have nothing else going for them than to be the village idjit...
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Re: Trump will win!

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for your info I am a world class idjit.....so there
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Re: Trump will win!

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gorgeous wrote:
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for your info I am a world class idjit.....so there
We can tell.

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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Jeff_36 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:18 am

gorgeous wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:38 am
Jeff_36 wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:32 pm
gorgeous wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:47 pm
no...all you prissy virgins are shocked by men wanting sex at sex parties apparantly....
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR {!#%@} MIND DUDE? We are talking about CHILDREN here! Girls as young as 13!
don't cuss and dude at me.......the cheerleaders weren't 13...get a grip
The original plaintiff in the Epstien case was 14. The girl he was alledged to have abused in concordat with Trump was 13.

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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:43 am

"The power of your mind is greater than the power of nuclear radiation. Visualize angels dispersing it into nothingness." - MW
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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:16 pm

Balmoral95 wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:44 am
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:32 am
Disgusting old pig keeps squealing:
So sad to see the Democrats sticking up for people who speak so badly of our Country and who, in addition, hate Israel with a true and unbridled passion. Whenever confronted, they call their adversaries, including Nancy Pelosi, "RACIST" . . . Their disgusting language and the many terrible things they say about the United States must not be allowed to go unchallenged. If the Democrat Party wants to continue to condone such disgraceful behavior, then we look even more forward to seeing you at the ballot box in 2020!?
Pelosi helped "tee this up." Sad to say.
Indeed. She opened the door wide enough for Fatback and cohort to drive another through....

And yes, ‘68 is the more apt analogy for what’s coming...
good piece on why '72 is a bad analogy for '20 - and where the Dems stand for '20, including an assessment of the problematic nature of their campaign so far vs Trump's all-too-obvious strategy: Are the Democrats Too Stupid to Beat Donald Trump? - I would add reparations to the list Longman offers of ideas that won't help the Democrats win.

(Disclaimer: despite favoring a single payer healthcare system in the abstract, I don't think that the U.S. is politically mature enough for this kind of system: in my view, a long period of political growth, maturation, and learning is needed before an effort should be made. I see no present signs that this period has begun, as political discourse and indeed the electorate as a whole remain regressive - pretty much circling the drain of Trumpian stupidity, power trips, and childishness. As for extending free healthcare to undocumented residents or decriminalizing border crossings, where do such pitches come from?)
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I look at reparations as a divisive issue that’s better taken up under a larger umbrella of assisting the poor and underprivileged in general. All it does is give a racist talking point to people like Trump and McConnell who then can claim not to be racist while bashing Democrats over the head with it.

While white privilege certainly exists it doesn’t exist for everyone. It’s hard to say because federal poverty lines are outdated but it’s fair to say that while blacks and Hispanics certainly outnumber whites below the poverty line there does exist a fairly decent percentage of poor whites who would look at reparations as an insult to their plight. This is why I think a better way to address this to talk about putting more money into education, job programs, daycare, healthcare, after school programs, etc. than building a pointless wall.

As for this push towards covering undocumented aliens I think the humanitarian aspects are valid. But it’s also valid to say that we need to take care of our own citizens who lack healthcare. This is particularly true for children. So I think cleaning up our own system first is a much more pressing issue than extending this to undocumented aliens.
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I will say I have no issue with extending this to undocumented children.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:50 pm

Meanwhile, The Grauniad reports that senior Democrats are expressing fear for Rep Ilhan Omar's safety. One, Ben Ray Lujan (NM), noted, “It’s bad enough that the president didn’t stop the chant last night. But he started it. It’s instilling fear, it’s going to instill violence.” Republican Tim Burchett (TN) response, “You know what, dadgummit we’re in Congress, grow up, it’s tough, life is tough … dadgummit just take it and go.”

Which raises the question, dadgummit, what's Burchett's ethnicity?

Omar responded to last night's ugliness with a couple of tweets, one of them as follows:

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I will say I have no issue with extending this to undocumented children.
save DACA but don't make "extend non-existent healthcare benefits" your campaign slogan . . .
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Mitch McConnell puts Trump's slogan and last night's chanting in context. McConnell tells FOX Business News that Trump “he’s right” in how he brings up “the squad wanting to turn us into a socialist country.”
What he should have added, however, is that it’s a lot broader than just four of them. You know the speaker, the Democratic leader of the Senate, a whole lot of others including presidential candidates have all signed up for things like the Green New Deal.
A lot of people to be sending back . . . but to where?
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Kentucky?
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Re: Trump will whine!

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scrmbldggs wrote:
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Kentucky?
Maybe it would turn it blue so I have no problem with that.

Might kick the turtle out of his seat...
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When You’ve Lost Piers . . . and the Mooch . . . you can still keep your real fans like MikeN and gorgeous and the QAnon crowd . . . ?
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Stormy weather - looks like more coverup to me. Don't get me wrong: Cohen belongs where he sits. But so too do a number of others.
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Re: Trump will win!

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:25 pm
When You’ve Lost Piers . . . and
Trump’s been doing that {!#%@} since he started campaigning and this guy is just noting it now?????
the Mooch . . . you can still keep your real fans like MikeN and gorgeous and the QAnon crowd . . . ?
FFS, you know it’s bad when I actually feel like sticking up for “the mooch.”
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scrmbldggs wrote:
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Kentucky?
Kentucky won't take Mitch back - the only reason they keep on electing him is so he'll be in DC and not at home.

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Can’t say I blame them.
Question for Groening by a reporter:
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