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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:56 pm

Balmoral95 wrote:
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Chris Hayes:
Last comment on this: "concentration camp" is an extremely charged term and I get why many people are, in good faith, uncomfortable with its application for Godwin's Law purposes among others. So let's just call them "detention camps" and focus on what's happening in them.
Mike Godwin, of Godwin's Law:
Chris, I think they're concentration camps. Keep in mind that one of their functions *by design* is to punish those individuals and families who are detained. So even the "charged" term is appropriate.
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Yea verily..........and thank you Bal. YES. If you enjoy the definitional foundation of linquistic epistemology, it doesn't matter ((it does matter, so: "it shouldn't matter")) what you call anything as regardless of what something is called you will deal with the "substance" of the thing. This camp terminology is what to call the forced separation of people crossing the border without papers. Its the same issue though on calling any program "socialism" or "freedom molecules" or whatever you have. Word choice/labeling is very important/telling/revealing on a number of levels all having nothing to do with the actual subject at hand.

Why do labels control so much of too many peoples thinking? //// I'm thinking it comes from developmental psychology. as kiddies we first learn the labels good and bad. Those of use who accept those labels from our parents tend to survive in greater numbers than those who ignore such labels. It generalizes from there.

many call on Godwin. I call on Darwin.

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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:44 pm

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I am shocked at how little faith I have that any sexual allegations against Trump can stick - even with evidence that would be sufficient in other cases.
Prosecutors won't do anything without a signed confession of the Orange Menace.
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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:29 pm

Jennifer Rubin preview of Democratic debates:

* Warren with a bullet
* Buttigieg worst day of political career yesterday, the dream may be over; "might be one problem that even his masterful TV performances cannot solve"
* Sanders precarious; "Nate Silver put it, 'if I were putting my own money down — we’re pretty early, but I would sooner have money on Warren than on Sanders.'"
* Biden needs to put unease to rest; "on the hot seat . . . time, however, for Biden to put minds at ease and stop the flow of bad news stories"
* Harris needs to prove herself; "possesses raw political talent second to none . . . not broken into the top tier. Too cautious? Lacking specificity?"
* Klobuchar, O’Rourke, Booker on the ropes, need breakout performance
* others without best performance of career are likely toast

To my mind, Warren's progress is the most surprising part of this so far. Especially since I've been contributing to her campaign, and I usually find myself to be a pretty far outlier. Bernie's travails are expected, as are Biden's. I agree with Rubin on Harris' falling short of expectations and potential.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:38 pm

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... an-carroll
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ftl:
1) E. Jean Carroll

The noted columnist describes being violently assaulted by Donald Trump in a department store dressing room in the 1990s in a new memoir. (New York magazine)
The one clip I caught re her presentation did not mention violence which is somewhat inconsistent with her emphasis on her blaming herself?

I read most of the list of other accusers quickly. Mostly groping and uncouth behavior. At least one sued and case was thrown out..............

I don't like Trump....but...its anti-trump animus trying to turn disagreeable conduct into an impeachable offense?===>I don't think so........although.......it is "politics." Ha, ha.......quite amusing if Trump loses the election because of the Women's vote based on this list whereas impeachment and indictment on PROVEN crimes can't get off the ground.

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Re: Trump will whine!

Post by scrmbldggs » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:53 pm

>> did not mention violence

Would you consider being gripped harshly on yer poophole and then have something (violently) shoved into it without invitation a gentle and desirable encounter?
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Post by scrmbldggs » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:05 pm

But I have to say, the self-professed...um...."goofiness" (humor?) that allowed her to deal with the assault in a healthy way doesn't do much for her in her (early) interviews I've seen. Prolly a good thing that she isn't bringing charges. Sometimes she comes off as acting a little "too innocently surprised" at pretty predictable questions and thoughts. I also feel it weird that she posed in that dress...
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:10 pm

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>> did not mention violence

Would you consider being gripped harshly on yer poophole and then have something (violently) shoved into it without invitation a gentle and desirable encounter?
so are you agreeing she never used the word "violent?" I didn't pay close attention at all. But if she didn't...see how you have been co-opted when writing ".....something (violently) shoved...." So....yeah...when I think "violent" I think being hit it the face with bruising and blood and painful..... People generally don't blame themselves for such VIOLENT actions. ...........................Purely definitional....... but a big difference between what she actually SAYS.......and how it gets recharacterized.

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Post by scrmbldggs » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:18 pm

>> so are you agreeing she never used the word "violent?"

I don't recall if she said it. The description alone said "violent" without having to use the word.

(being pushed and pinned against a wall ("hitting my head quite badly,"), harshly groped and entered, struggling - maybe her kneeing/kicking him was violence?)


ETA As does "Donald Trump assaulted me in a Bergdorf Goodman dressing room 23 years ago."
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Re: Trump will win!

Post by MikeN » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:46 pm

Carroll's story is likely made up to sell books, attaching herself to Trump and Les Moonves. I don't understand the story she is claiming though. If Trump hadn't raped her, what would have happened? She was going to try on lingerie and show him outside the dressing room? He was going into the dressing room with her to see her try it on?

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Post by scrmbldggs » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:56 pm

If you're not even willing to hear/read the full story, why are you making such assertions?


(She was being silly and gonna have him put it on - over his pants.)



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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Jeff_36 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:10 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:29 pm
* Buttigieg worst day of political career yesterday, the dream may be over; "might be one problem that even his masterful TV performances cannot solve"
LOL, so let's get this straight: cop kills random loon with a blade = Buttigieg's run is over? How on earth does that make sense? I would understand if it was anything like the Castile or Scott shootings, but the Logan shooting, while not 100% justified, was within the bounds of a reasonable reaction to danger. Even if it were as egregious as the Scott shooting, I fail to see how Buttigieg can be held as complicit. It was an indavidual decision that will be subject to investigation. It did not extend to the top.

Buttigieg is a seriously impressive candidate and it would be sad to see his run ended by something outside his control.

Biden needs to put unease to rest; "on the hot seat . . . time, however, for Biden to put minds at ease and stop the flow of bad news stories"
He's consistently held a lead and I dont see this changing. Biden is a fantastic debater - anyone who saw his destruction of Paul Ryan in the 2012 Veep debate understands this. He will walk over his competition here (except for maybe Buttigieg) and come out with an even more substantial lead.
* Harris needs to prove herself; "possesses raw political talent second to none . . . not broken into the top tier. Too cautious? Lacking specificity?
I predict that Harris will have a bad night. Her habit of continually inturrupting her interlocuteurs (very evident in her comittee appearances) will get her in trouble with the mods. She also has an occasional habit of freezing when pressured. Her train comes to an end here methinks.

* Klobuchar, O’Rourke, Booker on the ropes, need breakout performance
Good riddance.
* others without best performance of career are likely toast
I keep getting Tim Ryan mixed up with that other guy - what was his name? {!#%@} it........

It would take more than a breakout performance for "the others". Yang should show up in a white suit with leashed alligators on gold chains and not take his sunglasses off even once - just to stand out. Some Randolph of Roanoke level insanity.

Some freinds and I will be holding a debate viewing party on Thursday, and I can't wait. I'll be able to chip in my thoughts on it from time to time as it goes down

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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Balmoral95 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:24 pm

In case everyone missed it, PAs own Joe Sestak thowed his hat in the ring today... Why did you miss it, you ask. because he’s utterly missable...

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:28 pm

Jeff: fair enough review. Fact is, we don't "know" how anyone would do in office as most people do grow in response to the office. I can't put my finger on exactly why Harris puts me off, your explanation as good as any. Klobochar seems serious...just not standing out differentiated. Bookers record is kind of impressive....living with the poor as he did. I know: a political move.....but at least he was willing to do it whereas so many others cant bend that far over.

I do like Warren. She has ideas of long standing. Biden/Bernie: just too old. Warren can't go all female. Mayor Pete would be EXCELLENT as No 2.

Eh.....too early to care.
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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Balmoral95 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:35 am

MikeN wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:46 pm
Carroll's story is likely made up to sell books, attaching herself to Trump and Les Moonves. I don't understand the story she is claiming though. If Trump hadn't raped her, what would have happened? She was going to try on lingerie and show him outside the dressing room? He was going into the dressing room with her to see her try it on?
This may be the only time we agree.... Her allegation needs to be examined very closely.

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Re: Trump will whine!

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Re: Trump will whine!

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:43 am

scrmbldggs wrote:
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As posted elsewhere, Stories from the Camp Runamuck team: https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/p ... istration/

https://www.axios.com/trump-transition- ... f3aa5.html
Huh, what a surprise:
One heading in the document about Kris Kobach, in the running for Homeland Security Secretary, listed "white supremacy" as a vulnerability. It cited accusations from past political opponents that he had ties to white supremacist groups.
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Seems no one saw anything unusual in the reports of that research. Heck, it sounded just like friends and family, eh.

Including the loathing of the loudmouthed big guy...
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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:03 am

Jeff_36 wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:10 pm
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
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* Buttigieg worst day of political career yesterday, the dream may be over; "might be one problem that even his masterful TV performances cannot solve"
LOL, so let's get this straight: cop kills random loon with a blade = Buttigieg's run is over?
No.

Like so many other things, the precipitating event isn't necessarily the issue. The issue as described in the links I posted on this is that Buttigieg didn't reach out to all communities in South Bend from day one, and seems to have alienated the African American community with how he handled the police force. The shooting is the occasion for, these stories say, pent-up bad feeling to come out. The situation was a {!#%@}-up waiting to happen.
Jeff_36 wrote:
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How on earth does that make sense?
It doesn't because it's not the case.
Jeff_36 wrote:
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Buttigieg is a seriously impressive candidate and it would be sad to see his run ended by something outside his control.
Relations with the South Bend African American community and his handling of police matters, however, have been in his control. I'd be happy to see him go, but I just don't like technocrats especially in this period. He'd be destroyed in the general election IMO so I wouldn't want to see him nominated. He talks well, for sure, but, well, there is this guy named Trump and this other party . . . anyway, I'm pretty sure he'd make a terrible president. But we're wandering off the point of Rubin's piece . . .
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He's consistently held a lead and I dont see this changing. Biden is a fantastic debater - anyone who saw his destruction of Paul Ryan in the 2012 Veep debate understands this. He will walk over his competition here (except for maybe Buttigieg) and come out with an even more substantial lead.
I've learned that your predictions point to almost the opposite thing happening. But I'm not making any. One does need to look beneath the polls. Here you get the sense that many establishment Dems are perplexed and concerned. When David Axelrod, who had . . . never mind.

It's also important to analyze the polls, when you do use them, with more sophistication than, say, "Biden's been leading," perhaps like this.

We have miles to go before we sleep.
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. . . Harris will have a bad night. Her habit of continually inturrupting her interlocuteurs (very evident in her comittee appearances) will get her in trouble with the mods. She also has an occasional habit of freezing when pressured. Her train comes to an end here methinks.
I think that she needs a theme. A reason she should be president. She hasn't found a way to communicate that. Which is far more problematic than her being a good prosecutor and putting Eric Hunt in jail.
Jeff_36 wrote:
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Good riddance.
Actually, the point of Rubin's column wasn't to express her druthers but to try to assess what's happening.
Jeff_36 wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:10 pm
I keep getting Tim Ryan mixed up with that other guy - what was his name? {!#%@} it........
Moulton? He failed to qualify for the debate. Why do guys like them even do this?
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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:15 am

Balmoral95 wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:35 am
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Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:46 pm
Carroll's story is likely made up to sell books, attaching herself to Trump and Les Moonves. I don't understand the story she is claiming though. If Trump hadn't raped her, what would have happened? She was going to try on lingerie and show him outside the dressing room? He was going into the dressing room with her to see her try it on?
This may be the only time we agree.... Her allegation needs to be examined very closely.
It fits into a pattern and he's bragged about almost the same behavior. Which could cut either way. She has answers for the questions one would ask, which could cut either way. Her story is plausible, from what I read, but plausible doesn't make it true.

I think that this is one we will never know about.

I'd never heard of E Jean Carroll before this. I read the whole piece in The Cut, but, well before meeting Mr Trump, I pretty much didn't like it. It was hard to put a finger on why - and now when I try looking back at it, I get a message from Vanity Fair saying that I have no more freebies left!

What I didn't follow in The Guardian story today is why the police "might" investigate an alleged crime for which the statute of limitations has kicked in. I see Trump stonewalling almost very investigation into his behavior and actions - successfully. The right-wing noise machine is so active we just can't get to the truth of a lot of things.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
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What I didn't follow in The Guardian story today is why the police "might" investigate an alleged crime for which the statute of limitations has kicked in...
Two things I gathered (if wrongly, correction plz) are that she told at least two people at the time (one advised going to the police, the other didn't think it was a good idea to take on Trump and his well-known tactics and/or lawyers), and that it was said statute of limitations doesn't (does no longer?) apply to first-degree rape in NY? Which this case might be, if true.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:51 am

The Guardian article said that whilst NY removed the SOL for first-degree rape, that removal did not apply to cases preceding the removal: "New York state removed the five-year statute of limitations for first-degree rape in 2006 but it did not do so retroactively, meaning that all cases that fell before that year – as Carroll’s allegations do – are not freed from the restriction."

I see that the NY Times - which Trump depicts as his far left enemy of the people - is receiving heavy criticism for burying the story and that CNN claims that the NY Post pulled the story at the word of an advisor to the paper, Trump ally Col Allen. I think I also read that many "enemies of the people" didn't make the story prominent - caution? fear? pressure? misogyny? Damned if I know.

But I mostly agree with Balmoral (the claims need scrutiny) and EM (the needed scrutiny's not going to happen). 20+ charges . . .
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:07 am

Paul Waldman in WaPo gives an answer to my question why media coverage of Carroll's charge was not so prominent:
Have we become numb to Trump’s loathsomeness?

When we look back on June 2019, we’ll say that this was the time when a credible allegation of rape was made against the president of the United States, and he had already shown himself to be such a loathsome character that it was treated as a third-tier story, not worthy of much more than a passing mention here and there in the news.
Waldman's conclusion:
I have no illusions that Republicans will ever face the accountability they deserve for their tireless service to Trump, any more than he will face accountability for his own actions. But we can’t ever stop saying it, crying it, shouting it: This is who you gave us. You are complicit in all he is and all he has done. I’d say you should be ashamed, were it not for the fact that you’ve proved you have no shame.
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Re: Trump will win!

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:51 am
The Guardian article said that whilst NY removed the SOL for first-degree rape, that removal did not apply to cases preceding the removal: "New York state removed the five-year statute of limitations for first-degree rape in 2006 but it did not do so retroactively, meaning that all cases that fell before that year – as Carroll’s allegations do – are not freed from the restriction."

I see that the NY Times - which Trump depicts as his far left enemy of the people - is receiving heavy criticism for burying the story and that CNN claims that the NY Post pulled the story at the word of an advisor to the paper, Trump ally Col Allen. I think I also read that many "enemies of the people" didn't make the story prominent - caution? fear? pressure? misogyny? Damned if I know.

But I mostly agree with Balmoral (the claims need scrutiny) and EM (the needed scrutiny's not going to happen). 20+ charges . . .
There have been 20 accusations, yes, but they were of groping and forced kissing. Awful stuff, but this is a different level of disgusting and would rightfully see him die in jail had charges been pressed. We ought to look at it carefully and get as much information as we can before reaching a judgement either way.

As for my personal opinion? Well ask yourselves, does this seem like the type of thing Trump would do? Exactly.

But that's just me. More work is needed before we can say for sure.

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Post by Balmoral95 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:12 am

It was my wife who raised her eyebrow on the claim, questioning whether or not an assault of the nature alleged could have taken place in the location alleged, as she was familiar with it at the time.

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She herself said the situation was unusual. There was no one (visibly) on the floor and a dressing room was unlocked, which normally wasn't the case. Things might have turned out differently otherwise?
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:23 am

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"She's not my type" - saying that if someone was "his type", then it would be plausible?
He's said that about another woman who accused him - it's a loathsome attempt to demean the accuser. Creepy. Almost self-accusing.
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(Sorry, switched the posting order, hehe.)
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Re: Trump will win!

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I do like Warren. She has ideas of long standing. Biden/Bernie: just too old. Warren can't go all female. Mayor Pete would be EXCELLENT as No 2.

Eh.....too early to care.
Actually, I'd love to see her team up with Yang.

Not going to happen, I know, but I think they would be a good fit.

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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:25 am

Jeff_36 wrote:
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We ought to look at it carefully and get as much information as we can before reaching a judgement either way. . . . More work is needed before we can say for sure.
And that's what Trump and the right-wing machine will make sure doesn't happen. Which is why I doubt we'll ever have a proper basis on which to judge the truth of the matter.
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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:28 am

ElectricMonk wrote:
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:28 pm

I do like Warren. She has ideas of long standing. Biden/Bernie: just too old. Warren can't go all female. Mayor Pete would be EXCELLENT as No 2.

Eh.....too early to care.
Actually, I'd love to see her team up with Yang.

Not going to happen, I know, but I think they would be a good fit.
Don't know about Yang. I don't know what he gets the Democrats - who his base is other than his podcast listeners, where he has deep appeal - especially which states (he's not really showing up in early polling), and how another person without political chops is supposed to fare in politics.

But I really don't get the Buttigieg boomlet.

My dream team is Warren/Brown. He's also very smart, and would make Ohio a battleground and really help in Pennsyltucky, Wisconsin, and Michigan.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
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We ought to look at it carefully and get as much information as we can before reaching a judgement either way. . . . More work is needed before we can say for sure.
And that's what Trump and the right-wing machine will make sure doesn't happen. Which is why I doubt we'll ever have a proper basis on which to judge the truth of the matter.
Who knows, maybe she'll be called on as a character witness in the Summer Zervos case. Would that be possible?
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the Summer Zervos case. Would that be possible?
I think she's made a bad mistake the way she characterizes her politics. But . . . what is the status of the Zervos case? I mean it is almost 2020 . . .
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
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"She's not my type" - saying that if someone was "his type", then it would be plausible?
He's said that about another woman who accused him - it's a loathsome attempt to demean the accuser. Creepy. Almost self-accusing.
It's also meant to significantly blur the line between sex and sexual assault.

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Exactly.
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Just saw a bit on CNN – Kushner’s plan facing rejection by all. Who’da thunk it… Maybe he needs to add some sanctions to bring them around. :roll:

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This morning's other theme is the continuing breakdown of the US political system in the face of threats and actions by the American far right: namely, Weber's dictum that in a functional system it is the state that is the "only human Gemeinschaft which lays claim to the monopoly on the legitimated use of physical force. However, this monopoly is limited to a certain geographical area, and in fact this limitation to a particular area is one of the things that defines a state." And the latitude granted in this period to paramilitary groups claiming a counter legitimacy to the state via so-called Second Amendment remedies: Militiamen Rally Around Oregon GOP Senators Fleeing Climate Bill.
Is Oregon a canary in the mine for Republican responses to electoral defeats?
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TJrandom wrote:
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Just saw a bit on CNN – Kushner’s plan facing rejection by all. Who’da thunk it… Maybe he needs to add some sanctions to bring them around. :roll:
by all . . . except the Gulf States who see a potential cash cow for their business interests and a way to suck up to Orange Anus Mouth :)
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our strange times in which the world's leading revisionist country is also the country which architected the global system to its benefit and sits atop it . . . and when unilateral use of national power by this, the world's most powerful country, keeps getting confused with a doctrine of "no more wars"
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Trump isn't blurring the lines between sex and sexual assault. His accuser is.
She told Anderson Cooper rape is kind of sexy, think about all the fantasies.
Anderson cut to commercial.
Before that, Anderson asked her if she could do it over again, what would she have said to Trump?
Her response was the obvious: "I'd have asked him for his tax returns."