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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:17 pm

Trump accuses McGahn of lying under oath - then fails to make even a little sense about why McGahn would do such a thing:



And gets pissed about questions on the Mueller investigation:



courtesy TPM

Those on the right who argue that Trump can't keep his mouth shut and should be kept away from these "opportunities" have a good point.
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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:20 pm

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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:24 pm

One of news channels this morning stated that a video showed possible Iranian involvement in the attacks on the oil tankers that just occurred. That’s bad news if true.
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Re: Trump will win!

Post by ElectricMonk » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:25 pm

The attacks on the ships in the Gulf of Oman are pretty bizarre.

Pompeo and others seem to be talking about mines, but that is rather unlikely: if they had been floating in the shipping channel, the damage would have been below the waterline, causing the ships to take on water.
If they had been place intentionally higher up the hull by divers or people on a passing boat, it is next to impossible that the crew wouldn't have noticed.

I doubt very much that there is any actual evidence that would point to Teheran.

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Re: Trump will whine!

Post by scrmbldggs » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:33 pm

People like Sen. Warner need to pull their heads outta where they've gotten stuck and realize that there will be no magical Kumbaya moment with what'll be the then so-called Republican Party "after this nightmare is over". That they're not deferent to Trump, but that they are using him to get what they want. That is who they are. Absolute power and control is their goal.


And others are paralyzed by not wanting to ruin a very unlikely future. :?
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:09 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:25 pm

If they had been place intentionally higher up the hull by divers or people on a passing boat, it is next to impossible that the crew wouldn't have noticed.

I doubt very much that there is any actual evidence that would point to Teheran.
The crew did notice. What is a "crew" supposed to do? "HEY--Stop that."

Its on film: https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/13/politics ... index.html

Fast breaking story.........facts dribble in.
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Re: Trump will whine!

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:12 pm

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Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:33 pm
People like Sen. Warner need to pull their heads outta where they've gotten stuck and realize that there will be no magical Kumbaya moment with what'll be the then so-called Republican Party "after this nightmare is over". That they're not deferent to Trump, but that they are using him to get what they want. That is who they are. Absolute power and control is their goal.


And others are paralyzed by not wanting to ruin a very unlikely future. :?
The woman has good common skeptical sense?..............So.......she has to mean once the Dumbos take back the Presidency and increase gains in the House?? Ha, ha.......maybe appoint Harris as Att Gen and have her launch impeachment investigations on all the criminal Pukes. Their crimes are all on tape.
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Re: Trump will win!

Post by ElectricMonk » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:22 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:09 pm
ElectricMonk wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:25 pm

If they had been place intentionally higher up the hull by divers or people on a passing boat, it is next to impossible that the crew wouldn't have noticed.

I doubt very much that there is any actual evidence that would point to Teheran.
The crew did notice. What is a "crew" supposed to do? "HEY--Stop that."

Its on film: https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/13/politics ... index.html

Fast breaking story.........facts dribble in.
Err - you are confusing the placement with the removal of a mine.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:33 pm

OK........how is a mine removed if its not placed to begin with? Include diagrams if you have them.
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Re: Trump will whine!

Post by scrmbldggs » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:35 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:12 pm
scrmbldggs wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:33 pm
People like Sen. Warner need to pull their heads outta where they've gotten stuck and realize that there will be no magical Kumbaya moment with what'll be the then so-called Republican Party "after this nightmare is over". That they're not deferent to Trump, but that they are using him to get what they want. That is who they are. Absolute power and control is their goal.


And others are paralyzed by not wanting to ruin a very unlikely future. :?
The woman has good common skeptical sense?..............So.......she has to mean once the Dumbos take back the Presidency and increase gains in the House?? Ha, ha.......maybe appoint Harris as Att Gen and have her launch impeachment investigations on all the criminal Pukes. Their crimes are all on tape.
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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:36 pm

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Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:24 pm
One of news channels this morning stated that a video showed possible Iranian involvement in the attacks on the oil tankers that just occurred. That’s bad news if true.
It could be the case. But the US released footage said to show an Iranian boat approaching the one of the stricken tankers and removing a mine from its hull (the video you mentioned). The news stories on this were odd in that it seemed that the tanker had been struck by a flying object of some sort, not a mine affixed to it. The hit on the tanker, btw, is well above the water line.

The link to the NY Times piece above has the shipping company reiterating its belief that the tanker was not damaged by a mine.

I simply don't believe anything Pompeo or Trump says.

Sorry, MikeN, that's one of the downsides of their constant lying.
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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:41 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:22 pm
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:09 pm
ElectricMonk wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:25 pm

If they had been place intentionally higher up the hull by divers or people on a passing boat, it is next to impossible that the crew wouldn't have noticed.

I doubt very much that there is any actual evidence that would point to Teheran.
The crew did notice. What is a "crew" supposed to do? "HEY--Stop that."

Its on film: https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/13/politics ... index.html

Fast breaking story.........facts dribble in.
Err - you are confusing the placement with the removal of a mine.
And if the crew had noticed, they likely would have told the shipping company's management - and the shipping company wouldn't be making public statements challenging the US view.

But who knows? Miles to go on this incident . . .
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Re: Trump will whine!

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:43 pm

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And great looks!
Ha, ha. Good One. I'll add this to the list of how short my attention span is getting......can't even read the whole word. I hate it when that happens....................((Makes me want to proof my understanding of how objects get removed...........................))
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Re: Trump will win!

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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:33 pm
OK........how is a mine removed if its not placed to begin with? Include diagrams if you have them.
You don't know the timeline:

there was one explosion, then the Iran ship made a pass, then we got the pictures of the ship.

Sailors on the ship are talking about seeing flying things before the explosion.

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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:52 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:44 pm
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:33 pm
OK........how is a mine removed if its not placed to begin with? Include diagrams if you have them.
You don't know the timeline:

there was one explosion, then the Iran ship made a pass, then we got the pictures of the ship.

Sailors on the ship are talking about seeing flying things before the explosion.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:54 pm

posting this again to reinforce EM's points and for anyone who thinks that the US' view is conclusive: ‘Flying Object’ Struck Tanker in Gulf of Oman, Operator Says, Not a Mine
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:06 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:44 pm
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:33 pm
OK........how is a mine removed if its not placed to begin with? Include diagrams if you have them.
You don't know the timeline:

there was one explosion, then the Iran ship made a pass, then we got the pictures of the ship.

Sailors on the ship are talking about seeing flying things before the explosion.
The facts dribble in. I don't even start to form an hypothesis until analysis at least hits a magazine article....3-4 months removed. My post was just to provide info I thought was on point. If its irrelevant do to a timeline...that too is good to know. I thought the video showed two above line holes in the boat.......but what I initally searched for was "limpet mine" as I heard that was the type used, but I got sidetracked.

What with USA energy independence, the question I have is why we spend the resources to protect shipping in the Strait of Hormuz. Let the Chinese do it......or as Trump has said in the past: at least someone ought to pay us? Hmmm....should I add that to my list of correct things Trump has said?.........Not yet.
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Re: Trump will win!

Post by ElectricMonk » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:10 pm

Trump's / Kushner's Midlde East policy depends on a weak Iran.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:16 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:
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Trump's / Kushner's Midlde East policy depends on a weak Iran.
I'll take that as an entry to what might be playing a role, and that is obligations of some sort to protect Israel? But again.......if its only the shipping of oil out thru the straits for use mainly in ...........wherever it goes (Japan is the only recipient I have actually read gets it.......but I assume China would use a lot as well?). I suspect as long as ((Ha ha....my currency is slipping. I assume the USA is still paying Egypt for peace with Israel?)) we keep supporting Israel with material they can defend themselves........so the question is still live in my mind. Hope we aren't just stuck in old habits........Trump is supposed to break all those arrangements. A different swamp to drain?
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Re: Trump will win!

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WaPo Power Ranking:

POSITION CHALLENGER CHANGE OVER LAST RANKING
1. (TIE) Elizabeth Warren UP 1 "The first debate will be important for her, both to sustain her rise as the thoughtful progressive and to let voters get a sense of her as a person. If she wants to gamble, she could contrast her reform progressivism with Bernie Sanders’s democratic socialism in a bold bid to isolate him early." Trouble is Warren's drawn debate group 2, without Sanders, also without Biden and Harris
1. (TIE) Joe Biden —
3. Bernie Sanders —
4. (TIE) Pete Buttigieg UP 1 "Buttigieg is still a long shot to win the nomination, but it’s remarkable how far he’s come, and he can’t be counted out."
4. (TIE) Kamala D. Harris — "a great candidate on paper and a weak candidate in practice"; "committed a bad misstep the other day, telling NPR that under a Harris administration, the Justice Department “should” prosecute Donald Trump as a private citizen"
6. Amy Klobuchar UP 1 "Amy Klobuchar’s early move has now stalled"
7. Cory Booker DOWN 1
8. Beto O’Rourke —
9. Julián Castro UP 1
10. Michael Bennet DOWN 1
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:23 pm
WaPo Power Ranking:

POSITION CHALLENGER CHANGE OVER LAST RANKING
1. (TIE) Elizabeth Warren UP 1 "The first debate will be important for her, both to sustain her rise as the thoughtful progressive and to let voters get a sense of her as a person. If she wants to gamble, she could contrast her reform progressivism with Bernie Sanders’s democratic socialism in a bold bid to isolate him early." Trouble is Warren's drawn debate group 2, without Sanders, also without Biden and Harris
I assume all candidates will make a choice: run against Biden, or run against Trump and formulate their answers/presentation accordingly. Good drinking game: chug when the candidate answers that question rather than the one asked.

Hmmmmm Dumbos are already anti-Trump. Smart move is to tie Biden to his 40 year track record including not winning. got to be "nice" though in the early stages....especially the women. Very small hole in that needle.
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Post by scrmbldggs » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:31 pm

>> I'll add this to the list of how short my attention span is getting......can't even read the whole word.

You're not alone.

People in general have to slow down and pay better attention. (Things are flying at a dizzying speed currently - no doubt by design.) That includes news makers and breakers... e.g., when Mr Starburst appeased reporters by saying Rump would not allow election interference (by a foreign power), he means Rump doesn't believe it would be/is interference. As he clearly said on tape to Stephanopolous.

Others claim if Speaker Pelosi believes he is engaged in a criminal cover-up, she should take appropriate action (impeachment). Yet what she said (in the clip they played) was that he has been involved in a criminal cover-up (and mentioned the ongoing House investigation). She didn't say 'today' (even if that doesn't mean she might not be thinking he is...)
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btw, plz lemme know if my listening skills need sharpening, y'all :-P
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Post by ElectricMonk » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:36 pm

Warren's trump card is the fact that she is a True Republican who stayed true to her ideals whilst the GOP moved so far to the right that she could join the Dems whilst staying the same.

She can make a genuine case of being a Nixon/Bush republican and able to bridge the ideological divide ... provided the other side consists of actual conservatives and not just religious and Tea Party nutjobs.

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...and Turdles...
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scrmbldggs wrote:
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btw, plz lemme know if my listening skills need sharpening, y'all :-P
Lack of posts on this subject..............is accurate.
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Re: Trump will win!

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
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One of news channels this morning stated that a video showed possible Iranian involvement in the attacks on the oil tankers that just occurred. That’s bad news if true.
It could be the case. But the US released footage said to show an Iranian boat approaching the one of the stricken tankers and removing a mine from its hull (the video you mentioned). The news stories on this were odd in that it seemed that the tanker had been struck by a flying object of some sort, not a mine affixed to it. The hit on the tanker, btw, is well above the water line.

The link to the NY Times piece above has the shipping company reiterating its belief that the tanker was not damaged by a mine.

I simply don't believe anything Pompeo or Trump says.

Sorry, MikeN, that's one of the downsides of their constant lying.
It could also be that the Iranians assisted in removing the mine from the hull. It isn’t necessarily their doing.

I struggle with the logic of Iran acting in a direct manner though I could see them acting through proxies. I don’t think they would want war, on the front end I can’t see that working out for them.
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Mike Huckabee: Sarah Sanders running for Arkansas governor 'could happen'

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Honest to god, if the Republicans had been Garlanded, then Kavanaughed, they would have made it into a battle cry, a constant refrain, a topic for the outrage industry, nightly news and daily op-eds . . . we'd never hear the end of it . . . after all, we never heard the end of fake "causes" like the IRS scandal and Benghazi . . . the Democrats OTOH get upset and twitch a little. Complain that life's unfair. Mention infrastructure. Or bipartisanship. The good old days.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:28 pm

Boris Johnson is the Howard Hughes of this Tory leadership race:
Journalist, novelist, Churchill biographer, politician, urban planner, diplomat. At this stage in Boris Johnson’s storied career we have to ask: is there anything he CAN do?
And so on, with Marina Hyde.

And this, an aside which relates to our special topic here, is just so apt, comparing Rory Stewart to Charles de Gaulle - apt as to de Gaulle and maybe Stewart:
Another absolutely normal day in our normal country. Perhaps it helps to see Stewart as a Charles de Gaulle figure, who – on the basis of not much more than a borrowed office in Carlton Gardens and a pretty high opinion of himself – spent a good chunk of the war acting the equal, if not superior, of Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin. As Julian Jackson remarks in his brilliant biography of the general: “Behaving like a great power was De Gaulle’s way of becoming one.”
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:02 am

thoughts on Iran and the incident in the Strait of Hormuz: Having Zero Credibility Has Costs:
It makes sense not to draw too many conclusions.
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Re: Trump will win!

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>Sorry, MikeN, that's one of the downsides of their constant lying.

One, you're not sorry, and two no apology needed. I don't trust the claim either.

As for why Iran would do this, it would be similar to Pearl Harbor. At the end of Godfather Part II, Tom Hagen says we shouldn't be surprised after we hit them with an oil embargo. Iran has been threatening this for months, and the US is making it harder for them to sell oil. It would make sense for Iran to do this as a warning, as their threat is to close the whole strait. They would then not openly claim it, to give other countries a means of saving face and not have to go to war in retaliation. Pompeo going up and stating it, would serve his purposes of not allowing countries to back away.

The ships that were hit were headed to Japan. Japan's leader Abe had just visited with Iran. It is possible that Iran chose to do this specifically in response to what was said at these meetings.

Abe gets along well with Trump. It is also possible that this was a deliberate false flag engineered by Trump and Abe.
It could also be a false flag by others seeking to engineer war with Iran.

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:hmm: Seems you need to be primed to access that. :paper:
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:55 am

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>Sorry, MikeN, that's one of the downsides of their constant lying.

One, you're not sorry,
Now that’s awfully cynical.
and two no apology needed. I don't trust the claim either.
I take a wait and see attitude. I can’t discount anything at this point.
As for why Iran would do this, it would be similar to Pearl Harbor. At the end of Godfather Part II, Tom Hagen says we shouldn't be surprised after we hit them with an oil embargo.
Except that the rest of the world hasn’t. No one is relying on US leadership on this anymore.
Iran has been threatening this for months, and the US is making it harder for them to sell oil. It would make sense for Iran to do this as a warning, as their threat is to close the whole strait. They would then not openly claim it, to give other countries a means of saving face and not have to go to war in retaliation. Pompeo going up and stating it, would serve his purposes of not allowing countries to back away.
That actually makes some sense. Either them or a proxy.

The problem is if you get found out. Then Iran faces sanctions at the very least and war as the worst possible scenario. The Japanese are US allies, it’s a perfect excuse if Trump wants to take it. The Saudis and the Israelis would willingly pile on to rid themselves of the Iranians and the Gulf States wouldn’t shed a tear over it.

Even if we avoid war then my feeling is the EU would probably apply sanctions over Iranian actions. So Iran is worse off either way, particularly if war occurs.
The ships that were hit were headed to Japan. Japan's leader Abe had just visited with Iran. It is possible that Iran chose to do this specifically in response to what was said at these meetings.
I’m more inclined to think the tankers were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Abe gets along well with Trump. It is also possible that this was a deliberate false flag engineered by Trump and Abe.
It could also be a false flag by others seeking to engineer war with Iran.
Who knows? But “false flag” get overused IMO.
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What the hell is that?! :befuddled: It's asking me to Sign In!!
Did you? LOL

I think I screwed up. That's probably a piece that requires a membership. Trust me, it was very good. Interesting, dramatic, suspenseful, great reading fun. Trust me.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:12 am

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>Sorry, MikeN, that's one of the downsides of their constant lying.

One, you're not sorry, and two no apology needed. I don't trust the claim either.
Not meant as an apology. Sorry has multiple connotations dependent on context. I'm most certainly sorry you never answered when I asked you about Trump's lying - I'm chagrined, sorry, disappointed. Sure.
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Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:16 am
As for why Iran would do this, it would be similar to Pearl Harbor.
Why are you telling me this? I didn't ask why Iran would do such a thing. I see reasons they might have - after all, Trump launched a kind of virtual war on Iran. A group within the Trump government clearly wants a war with Iran, to boot. But I also see reasons Iran wouldn't have done it, and reasons other states might have. Right now, we have two governments known for dishonesty making contrary claims. My interest was in the US claims, specifically that the US has evidence Iran was responsible.

Not a game of cui bono. But evidence.

If Iran carried out the attack, one might have another reason to question the maximum pressure strategy.
MikeN wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:16 am
Pompeo going up and stating it, would serve his purposes of not allowing countries to back away.
The key players, Israel and Saudi Arabia, are at no risk of "backing away."

Now if we agree that Pompeo’s claims are part of the maximum pressure strategy, and not to be believed at this point, then we’re all good. Of course, other countries besides Israel and Saudi Arabia, judging from European media, are doing the same calculus.
MikeN wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:16 am
The ships that were hit were headed to Japan. Japan's leader Abe had just visited with Iran. It is possible that Iran chose to do this specifically in response to what was said at these meetings.
Unlikely. From the NY Times piece I linked to: "The attacks in the Gulf of Oman on Thursday occurred as the Japanese prime minister, Shinzo Abe, was meeting top officials in Iran, attempting to bridge the divide between Washington and Tehran."
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I don't believe chemical weapons were used in Syria.
I don't believe Tom Brady messed with the footballs in deflategate.
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Post by MikeN » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:54 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:12 am

MikeN wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:16 am
I don't believe chemical weapons were used in Syria.
I don't believe Tom Brady messed with the footballs in deflategate.
Agreed. The NFL proved this in the Wells Report, but it went unnoticed.

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Re: Trump will win!

Post by MikeN » Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:42 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
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Honest to god, if the Republicans had been Garlanded, then Kavanaughed, they would have made it into a battle cry, a constant refrain, a topic for the outrage industry, nightly news and daily op-eds . . . we'd never hear the end of it . . . after all, we never heard the end of fake "causes" like the IRS scandal and Benghazi . . . the Democrats OTOH get upset and twitch a little. Complain that life's unfair. Mention infrastructure. Or bipartisanship. The good old days.
They were Kavanaughed, twice.
They were Garlanded too.
In 2001, after Jim Jeffords switched parties, giving Democrats full control of the Senate,
Priscilla Owen was nominated to the 5th Circuit, with a unanimous 'well qualified' rating from ABA, and did not get a hearing.
DC Circuit Court nominee John Roberts did not get a hearing. When Republicans retook control of the Senate, not a single Democrat voted no on this nomination.

> fake "causes" like the IRS scandal
True The Vote won a judgment in court recently because of this fake scandal.

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MikeN wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:42 am
In 2001, after Jim Jeffords switched parties, giving Democrats full control of the Senate,
Priscilla Owen was nominated to the 5th Circuit, with a unanimous 'well qualified' rating from ABA, and did not get a hearing.
DC Circuit Court nominee John Roberts did not get a hearing. When Republicans retook control of the Senate, not a single Democrat voted no on this nomination.
hardly at the same scale, whatever the facts (IIRC the Owen non-vote was in retaliation for Senate blocking of Clinton appointees) - but, wanting to defend your boys, you miss my point, which wasn't to review the sad history of judicial appointment brawls but to point out that the Republicans are aggressive, when they feel themselves aggrieved, up and down the line and they fight back hard, turning their grievance into a "cause"; the Democrats often, especially on make or break issues, may "do something," more often tsk a lot, but don't know how to turn issues and grievances into "causes"
MikeN wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:42 am
> fake "causes" like the IRS scandal
True The Vote won a judgment in court recently because of this fake scandal.
Yet the inspector general found in I-forget-what-year-but-recenly that the IRS's keyword searches were meant to surface both conservative and liberal groups (IIRC tea party, patriot, green energy, occupy eventually among them) and had begun under Bush. IOW the right-wing storyline, that the IRS had targeted only conservative groups, was distorted and one-sided - and the "cause" it spun up was "fake" - but it ginned up activity and support and even court cases. Again, the right-wing fights harder than the Democrats.
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