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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:58 pm

God wanted the orange emperor to become president.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/30/politi ... 9999999999

Well....maybe not.

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Re: Trump will win!

Post by landrew » Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:58 pm

Trump never had high ratings. He's one of those idiots who's constantly telling everyone he's winning all the time. Under normal circumstances in his day, he would have been beaten up on the playground a few times until he got over it. That never happened in his case, so that explains the case of arrested development we have in the the Oval office today.
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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:46 pm

"I think God calls all of us to fill different roles at different times and I think that he wanted Donald Trump to become president, that’s why he’s there . . .”
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Re: Trump will win!

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:46 pm
"I think God calls all of us to fill different roles at different times and I think that he wanted Donald Trump to become president, that’s why he’s there . . .”
God’s response.... :D

Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Harvard Crimson (on why it refused to run an add by Bradley Smith):
“(It is) vicious propaganda based on utter BS that has been discredited time and time again.”

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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:59 pm

On a related note, Bannon thinks he did the lord’s work in the White House:

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I look at him and see the stereotypical drunken uncle that everyone dreads inviting to the family reunion.
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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:02 pm

https://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/ ... al-holiday

McConnell really hates the thought of people getting the time off to vote.
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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:12 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:55 pm
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:46 pm
"I think God calls all of us to fill different roles at different times and I think that he wanted Donald Trump to become president, that’s why he’s there . . .”
God’s response.... :D

Sorry I missed your prior post :) I posted without reading, a dangerous practice!
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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:16 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:12 pm
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:55 pm
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:46 pm
"I think God calls all of us to fill different roles at different times and I think that he wanted Donald Trump to become president, that’s why he’s there . . .”
God’s response.... :D

Sorry I missed your prior post :) I posted without reading, a dangerous practice!
Yeah, I get it.
Hey, did you know Bela Kun’s mother was not Jewish????
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“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

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“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Harvard Crimson (on why it refused to run an add by Bradley Smith):
“(It is) vicious propaganda based on utter BS that has been discredited time and time again.”

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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:18 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:55 pm
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:46 pm
"I think God calls all of us to fill different roles at different times and I think that he wanted Donald Trump to become president, that’s why he’s there . . .”
God’s response.... :D

BTW, someone is really not happy about this.

Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Harvard Crimson (on why it refused to run an add by Bradley Smith):
“(It is) vicious propaganda based on utter BS that has been discredited time and time again.”

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Re: Trump will win!

Post by landrew » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:45 pm

Our world is ruled by the principle of free will.
In other words, known as the "you made your bed, now sleep in it" principle.
The people of the USA got the biggest idiot of all time elected as president of the United States.
God had nothing to do with it.
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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:56 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:16 pm
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:12 pm
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:55 pm
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:46 pm
"I think God calls all of us to fill different roles at different times and I think that he wanted Donald Trump to become president, that’s why he’s there . . .”
God’s response.... :D

Sorry I missed your prior post :) I posted without reading, a dangerous practice!
Yeah, I get it.
Hey, did you know Bela Kun’s mother was not Jewish????
I hear she converted to Calvinism but it's probably just a rumor. Biology is destiny anyway.
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Re: Trump will win!

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Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Harvard Crimson (on why it refused to run an add by Bradley Smith):
“(It is) vicious propaganda based on utter BS that has been discredited time and time again.”

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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Balmoral95 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:29 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:56 pm
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:16 pm
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:12 pm
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:55 pm
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:46 pm
"I think God calls all of us to fill different roles at different times and I think that he wanted Donald Trump to become president, that’s why he’s there . . .”
God’s response.... :D

Sorry I missed your prior post :) I posted without reading, a dangerous practice!
Yeah, I get it.
Hey, did you know Bela Kun’s mother was not Jewish????
I hear she converted to Calvinism but it's probably just a rumor. Biology is destiny anyway.
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Re: Trump will win!

Post by scrmbldggs » Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:24 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:02 pm
https://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/ ... al-holiday

McConnell really hates the thought of people getting the time off, place and right to vote.
ftfy :evil:
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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Balmoral95 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:09 am

scrmbldggs wrote:
Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:24 am
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:02 pm
https://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/ ... al-holiday

McConnell really hates the thought of people getting the time off, place and right to vote.
ftfy :evil:
He'd hate the idea of moving it to a weekend day.... Sunday being a particular non-starter...

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Re: Trump will win!

Post by ElectricMonk » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:00 am

In all fairness to Sarah, she didn't say which God wanted Trump to become President.
My money is on Azathoth.

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:03 pm
Borowitz:
Trump Comes Out Strongly Against Intelligence

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Using some of his harshest rhetoric in recent memory, President Donald J. Trump came out strongly against intelligence on Wednesday morning.

“I’ve listened to these people with so-called intelligence go on and on, and, quite frankly, it’s a waste of time,” he said. “I know a lot more than people with intelligence do.”

Trump added that he has stopped receiving intelligence briefings at the White House, arguing, “I can do my job without any intelligence whatsoever.”

He said that he has chosen, instead, to seek advice from his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and from his elder children, Ivanka, Eric, and Donald, Jr. “You won’t find a trace of intelligence in anything they say,” he boasted.

At a briefing for the White House press corps, the President’s press secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, denied that Trump’s war on intelligence was a new development. “Intelligence has never played a role in Donald Trump’s life,” she said.
But quite seriously, according to a New York Times article yesterday, Trump believes the flow of information should be from him to the Intelligence Community. That is unprecedented, and frightening.
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Re: Trump will win!

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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
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"The Descent of Man." It's a familiar title, somehow...
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Re: Trump will win!

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landrew wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:45 pm
Our world is ruled by the principle of free will.
In other words, known as the "you made your bed, now sleep in it" principle.
The people of the USA got the biggest idiot of all time elected as president of the United States.
God had nothing to do with it.
I certainly won't dispute that. Back in the old days, God spoke directly and said he wanted Samuel as a prophet and Saul as a king. It got more complicated later, and the disciples had to use divination, praying and drawing lots, to fill the vacancy left by Judas's abrupt departure. It wasn't until about two centuries later that the radical idea of voting occurred to anyone; and even then, it was to be allowed only among those who attended church councils. For ordinary, everyday life, both the Catholic Church and the Calvinists condemned the idea of voting; they wanted theocracy and they got it.

So, how has God adapted? Managed to work around voting booths, has he? I often ask this question of evangelicals, most of whom are not even curious enough to wonder about the mechanism by which God put GW Bush and Donald Trump into the White House.
“It is certainly sad and regrettable that so many innocent people died…Stalin was absolutely adamant on making doubly sure: spare no one…I don’t deny that I supported that view. I was simply not able to study every individual case…It was hard to draw a precise line where to stop.”

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Re: Trump will win!

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But quite seriously, according to a New York Times article yesterday, Trump believes the flow of information should be from him to the Intelligence Community. That is unprecedented, and frightening.
OTOH George W Bush pioneered this effectively. So I am not sure how unpresidented it is.

The IC has its view of things, which is neither "naive," as Trump claims, nor benign and objective; Trump has his, but he's the president and head of the executive, and the IC shouldn't be making policy around elected officials. The system relies on healthy give and take, which Trump has no interest in - nor did W. Trump's approach, of course, is Nixonian and W-ish (exponentially) and asserts that his power as chief executive overrides the checks and balances across the system, including with Congress and the courts, media, political parties, opposition, etc: "As I take it all in, I then sit back, look around, & say 'gee, I’m in the White House, & they’re not!'" E.g., the shutdown was a strong-arm tactic to circumvent the legislative process.

The fun development is that Trump and McConnell seem to have come to a difficult moment, McConnell not wanting to lose senators in 2020 due to another shutdown and the traditional hawkish foreign policy reflexes of congressional Republicans blanching at some of Trump's recent moves.
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Re: Trump will win!

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Upton_O_Goode wrote:
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I often ask this question of evangelicals, most of whom are not even curious enough to wonder about the mechanism by which God put GW Bush and Donald Trump into the White House.
The intent of this god individual was clearly to punish us.
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Gods been installing all the worlds leaders since time began. Thats what he rolls.
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Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


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It partly is. The two years of Republican rule were a legislative disaster - from their point of view. Individual-1 should be aware that he didn't help, either. Fave moment: the Rose Garden celebration of the repeal of Obamacare.
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Finding fault with anyone who doesn't override a majority opinion otherwise is .......rather special. but yeah....in the sense I assume you mean: he was there.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:31 pm
It partly is. The two years of Republican rule were a legislative disaster - from their point of view. Individual-1 should be aware that he didn't help, either. Fave moment: the Rose Garden celebration of the repeal of Obamacare.
It was this supermajority that made me certain that the ACA was going to be repealed and Trump would get his wall, at least a large portion of it funded. I was certain that Trump and Republican’s agendas matched enough to get this stuff pushed through.

Turns out all they could accomplish is a tax cut.

The Supreme Court Justices are also important, don’t get me wrong. But the fact Trump and the Republicans pissed away a golden opportunity to get everything they wanted accomplished is both funny as hell and very confusing.
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God wants this absolutely clear:

Question for Groening by a reporter:
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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
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But the fact Trump and the Republicans pissed away a golden opportunity to get everything they wanted accomplished is both funny as hell and very confusing.
Wut? The normal operations of politics has you confused? It could not be more simple: Creeps are elected by their local electorate often interested in local issues of import. NOT HAVING A WALL BUILT was one such local issue. Enough Creeps determined they would not get relected if they voted for the wall. How could it be more simple? Same with repealing ObamaCare. Tax Cuts for the AlreadyTooRich is the anomaly. But if you "just look" that is not too hard to complain comprehend. "Without the tax cut, illegal aliens will take your jobs." Works most of the time.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:24 pm
Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:11 pm
But quite seriously, according to a New York Times article yesterday, Trump believes the flow of information should be from him to the Intelligence Community. That is unprecedented, and frightening.
OTOH George W Bush pioneered this effectively. So I am not sure how unpresidented it is.
Ah yes, I had forgotten that. How could I forget that so quickly? I think the slight difference was that Bush-Cheney claimed to be following intelligence reports, though it is true that they didn't want to hear any reservations about the WMDs from people who said "Curveball" wasn't reliable.
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Re: Trump will win!

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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:45 pm
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:31 pm
It partly is. The two years of Republican rule were a legislative disaster - from their point of view. Individual-1 should be aware that he didn't help, either. Fave moment: the Rose Garden celebration of the repeal of Obamacare.
It was this supermajority that made me certain that the ACA was going to be repealed and Trump would get his wall, at least a large portion of it funded. I was certain that Trump and Republican’s agendas matched enough to get this stuff pushed through.

Turns out all they could accomplish is a tax cut.

The Supreme Court Justices are also important, don’t get me wrong. But the fact Trump and the Republicans pissed away a golden opportunity to get everything they wanted accomplished is both funny as hell and very confusing.
And, as of this morning, Trump is blaming Ryan for the failure to get a wall. I seem to remember that he knew very well it was just a campaign gimmick and said shortly after being elected that "there will be some fencing." He didn't get back on that theme until it became very clear to him that his base expected him to follow through on it. (They also expected him to Lock. Her. Up. But they seem to have given up on that.)
“It is certainly sad and regrettable that so many innocent people died…Stalin was absolutely adamant on making doubly sure: spare no one…I don’t deny that I supported that view. I was simply not able to study every individual case…It was hard to draw a precise line where to stop.”

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Re: Trump will win!

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Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:44 pm
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:24 pm
Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:11 pm
But quite seriously, according to a New York Times article yesterday, Trump believes the flow of information should be from him to the Intelligence Community. That is unprecedented, and frightening.
OTOH George W Bush pioneered this effectively. So I am not sure how unpresidented it is.
Ah yes, I had forgotten that. How could I forget that so quickly? I think the slight difference was that Bush-Cheney claimed to be following intelligence reports, though it is true that they didn't want to hear any reservations about the WMDs from people who said "Curveball" wasn't reliable.
They didn't announce to the public that they were setting their own course, IC be damned, and launch a publicity campaign against the IC, even if they made the intelligence be what they wanted it to be.
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Re: Trump will win!

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Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:46 pm
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:45 pm
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:31 pm
It partly is. The two years of Republican rule were a legislative disaster - from their point of view. Individual-1 should be aware that he didn't help, either. Fave moment: the Rose Garden celebration of the repeal of Obamacare.
It was this supermajority that made me certain that the ACA was going to be repealed and Trump would get his wall, at least a large portion of it funded. I was certain that Trump and Republican’s agendas matched enough to get this stuff pushed through.

Turns out all they could accomplish is a tax cut.

The Supreme Court Justices are also important, don’t get me wrong. But the fact Trump and the Republicans pissed away a golden opportunity to get everything they wanted accomplished is both funny as hell and very confusing.
And, as of this morning, Trump is blaming Ryan for the failure to get a wall. I seem to remember that he knew very well it was just a campaign gimmick and said shortly after being elected that "there will be some fencing." He didn't get back on that theme until it became very clear to him that his base expected him to follow through on it. (They also expected him to Lock. Her. Up. But they seem to have given up on that.)
This piece in the right-wing Washington Times explains the disappointment of movement conservatives in Congress, making the case that the 115th Congress was not business as usual but prolifically incapable of achieving many party and lawmaker goals despite nearly full control: "How the Republican-controlled Congress failed President Trump".
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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:12 pm

Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:46 pm
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:45 pm
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
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It partly is. The two years of Republican rule were a legislative disaster - from their point of view. Individual-1 should be aware that he didn't help, either. Fave moment: the Rose Garden celebration of the repeal of Obamacare.
It was this supermajority that made me certain that the ACA was going to be repealed and Trump would get his wall, at least a large portion of it funded. I was certain that Trump and Republican’s agendas matched enough to get this stuff pushed through.

Turns out all they could accomplish is a tax cut.

The Supreme Court Justices are also important, don’t get me wrong. But the fact Trump and the Republicans pissed away a golden opportunity to get everything they wanted accomplished is both funny as hell and very confusing.
And, as of this morning, Trump is blaming Ryan for the failure to get a wall. I seem to remember that he knew very well it was just a campaign gimmick and said shortly after being elected that "there will be some fencing." He didn't get back on that theme until it became very clear to him that his base expected him to follow through on it. (They also expected him to Lock. Her. Up. But they seem to have given up on that.)
TBH I thought that this would be one of the easier things for Trump to get. I thought the Republicans would give him his toy to shut him up and keep his base quiet.

The reality he still could’ve gotten his silly wall at any point up until the Democrats took their seats in the House in 2019. The Republican-led House and Senate passed the spending bill and Trump agreed to sign...up until Coulter and Limbaugh lost it over this “wall.”

Let’s face it, tossing 10-15 billion dollars at a vanity project is not exactly shocking. What I didn’t consider is the divisions in the Republican Party that stymied a lot of this from happening.

I read a fascinating article about the failures of supermajorities. Stat Mech posted it, I think. Or maybe I did.... :D. The point of it was that supermajorities fail because they default to their most radical extremes and the more moderates try and check the radicals from passing through their agendas. The result is gridlock.

Take the ACA. Easy win, right? The problem is that repealing it without replacing it would be political suicide. The House and Senate passed repeals during Obama’s presidency because they were secure in the knowledge that he would veto those bills. Once they had a “president” who would sign them they became a deer in the headlights. It only took what? Three Senators? Who failed to pass the repeal. So the photo opp and fanfare turned into a yyyyyyuuuuuuugggggggeeeee embarrassment.


So, the wall was a problem for the budget hawks and the sane members who realized that a political rally point wasn’t worth the hassle of putting into practice.

So, here is where we stand. It would not surprise me if the government gets shutdown again.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:50 pm

Not the first occasion when immigrant befuddled the Republicans.
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Give Bush 41 some credit - he was a great President whose sole fault was an ill-timed recession. I am firmly convinced that, had he won in 1992, Trump would never have been elected in 2016. Maybe I'm biased due to my being a foreign policy junkie but his conduct in the international sphere was flawless.

Bush 43 was a good man of average intelligence and talent who was thrust into a set of circumstances that demanded excellence - something that he did not posses. The blame for Iraq falls on Wolfowitz, then Rumsfeld, then Cheney - Bush should have put a stop to the madness but he was easily manipulated. He is not the monster that most claim - he would have been a fine peacetime President - but he allowed himself to be surrounded by revolutionaries with messianic aspirations, and the consequences were in a way inevitable in light of that cruel fact. he made an effort to turn it around after Rumsfeld got axed - the Surge in Iraq was a fantastic effort at cleaning up his own mess, and was carried out brilliantly by Petraeus - but too much damage had been done.

Trump is just a {!#%@} {!#%@}.

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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Jeff_36 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:56 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:07 pm
Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:46 pm
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:45 pm
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:31 pm
It partly is. The two years of Republican rule were a legislative disaster - from their point of view. Individual-1 should be aware that he didn't help, either. Fave moment: the Rose Garden celebration of the repeal of Obamacare.
It was this supermajority that made me certain that the ACA was going to be repealed and Trump would get his wall, at least a large portion of it funded. I was certain that Trump and Republican’s agendas matched enough to get this stuff pushed through.

Turns out all they could accomplish is a tax cut.

The Supreme Court Justices are also important, don’t get me wrong. But the fact Trump and the Republicans pissed away a golden opportunity to get everything they wanted accomplished is both funny as hell and very confusing.
And, as of this morning, Trump is blaming Ryan for the failure to get a wall. I seem to remember that he knew very well it was just a campaign gimmick and said shortly after being elected that "there will be some fencing." He didn't get back on that theme until it became very clear to him that his base expected him to follow through on it. (They also expected him to Lock. Her. Up. But they seem to have given up on that.)
This piece in the right-wing Washington Times explains the disappointment of movement conservatives in Congress, making the case that the 115th Congress was not business as usual but prolifically incapable of achieving many party and lawmaker goals despite nearly full control: "How the Republican-controlled Congress failed President Trump".
Could it be that the chaotic, impotent WH management and the fact that the executive branch was overseen by a Syphilitic Russian bot may have had a knock-on affect on the performance of the congressional caucus?

I work in politics and I can tell you that legislative business is incredibly centralized around the goings-on at the executive level.

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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:01 pm

The Washington Times, and Individual-1, hold Individual-1 blameless; like you, I do not. His lack of clarity, hit or miss demands, successive contradictions, negotiating incapacity, unreliability, and shoot from the hip approach helped blunt the GOP's legislative juggernaut.
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Re: Trump will win!

Post by Jeff_36 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:22 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:01 pm
The Washington Times, and Individual-1, hold Individual-1 blameless;
They're idiots.

like you, I do not. His lack of clarity, hit or miss demands, successive contradictions, negotiating incapacity, unreliability, and shoot from the hip approach helped blunt the GOP's legislative juggernaut.
There is also reason to believe that relations between Ryan and Trump may not have been peachy. They are very dissimilar, ideologically and temperamentally, and friction was inevitable.