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Re: The state of online Holocaust denial

Post by Jeff_36 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:38 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:10 pm
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At least there people don't have idiotic opinions about the lethality of diesel exhaust such as evidenced a little upthread.
Stop talking about deisel. It's a strawman. The engines at all three campa were petroleum driven, this has been attested to by multiple direct eyewitnesses.
While some have made that case, you have to be aware that isn't the consensus opinion. But I wasn't referring to that. I was referring to your idiot back-slapping in this thread about how lethal you think diesel exhaust to be.

You sniggering fools snigger about things of which you are ignorant nincompoops about.
There is something to this, even later books about the Holocaust continue to speak about diesel being used at the Reinhard Camps.
They're based on accounts from indirect witnesses without automotive knowlege. The technicians who handled and maintained the engines - most of whom were mechanics by trade - stated that they were petrol-powered.

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Re: The state of online Holocaust denial

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:49 pm

Jeff_36 wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:38 pm
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:10 pm
blake121666 wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:04 pm
Jeff_36 wrote:
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Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:59 pm
At least there people don't have idiotic opinions about the lethality of diesel exhaust such as evidenced a little upthread.
Stop talking about deisel. It's a strawman. The engines at all three campa were petroleum driven, this has been attested to by multiple direct eyewitnesses.
While some have made that case, you have to be aware that isn't the consensus opinion. But I wasn't referring to that. I was referring to your idiot back-slapping in this thread about how lethal you think diesel exhaust to be.

You sniggering fools snigger about things of which you are ignorant nincompoops about.
There is something to this, even later books about the Holocaust continue to speak about diesel being used at the Reinhard Camps.
They're based on accounts from indirect witnesses without automotive knowlege. The technicians who handled and maintained the engines - most of whom were mechanics by trade - stated that they were petrol-powered.
I get that, what I’m saying is that this continues to be said in the history books I’m reading. So this hasn’t filtered through to change what is said about those camps.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:53 pm

And . . . AFAIK not a single person here argues that the engines were diesel.

So, yes, the issue is valid - how come some testimonies say that the engines were diesel engines? why do non-specialists pick it up? - but, yes too, raising it now is really just a little attempted snark or some ignorable ad hominem, as the question has been answered many times over. E.g., 2011, HC White Paper, pp 316-328 and "we" don't argue a case for diesel here.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:08 pm

That’s all true. The information is there and always has been so I’m not sure why it’s never been fixed.

It doesn’t matter but it’s one of those nagging things that remains. I do know Lipstadt corrected HDOT (at least I think she did).

It did surprise me when I first read that in the White Paper but it’s one of those obvious things.

I’ll shut up about diesel now.

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“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


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Post by Jeff_36 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:18 pm

My theory: some historians who write more generally focused accounts of the FS may tend to favour quantity over quality in balancing accounts. Hence the weight placed on the sheer number of non-expert, indirect accounts of the engine types.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:34 am

I think, if you look at books being published, journals, conference agendas, you will see that the concerns that deniers have just aren't important in the profession these days. Jewish resistance, survival modes, perpetrator studies and networks, comparative genocides, remembrance and memory, testimony and trials, visual evidence, borderlands/shatterzone, gender - these are some of the topics in which people are doing significant work.

If you look at the last 4 Lessons & Legacies, each having maybe 50 panels plus workshops and plenary sessions, you won't even find a lot of Auschwitz, let alone Treblinka. Or think about Mailänder's study of Majdanek, which mentions gas chambers at the camp but only in the context of the work of Aufseherinnen working in Lublin.

What we debate with deniers - and the way some of these discussions dwell on rather small issues simply because deniers want to use them to sow doubt without even knowing what evidence on the matter exists (or, like Bunny and his bakeries or Filbert's murder action, trying to hide it) - is really not anywhere close to the mainstream of recent historical activity. There are exceptions, e.g., Montague's study of Chelmno is a good one, chock full of testimony and other evidence on killing processes.
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Post by Balmoral95 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:31 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:34 am
I think, if you look at books being published, journals, conference agendas, you will see that the concerns that deniers have just aren't important in the profession these days. Jewish resistance, survival modes, perpetrator studies and networks, comparative genocides, remembrance and memory, testimony and trials, visual evidence, borderlands/shatterzone, gender - these are some of the topics in which people are doing significant work.

If you look at the last 4 Lessons & Legacies, each having maybe 50 panels plus workshops and plenary sessions, you won't even find a lot of Auschwitz, let alone Treblinka. Or think about Mailänder's study of Majdanek, which mentions gas chambers at the camp but only in the context of the work of Aufseherinnen working in Lublin.

What we debate with deniers - and the way some of these discussions dwell on rather small issues simply because deniers want to use them to sow doubt without even knowing what evidence on the matter exists (or, like Bunny and his bakeries or Filbert's murder action, trying to hide it) - is really not anywhere close to the mainstream of recent historical activity. There are exceptions, e.g., Montague's study of Chelmno is a good one, chock full of testimony and other evidence on killing processes.
Exactly. Which is why I think the transcript version of Hunt's video may well prove important....

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
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I think, if you look at books being published, journals, conference agendas, you will see that the concerns that deniers have just aren't important in the profession these days. Jewish resistance, survival modes, perpetrator studies and networks, comparative genocides, remembrance and memory, testimony and trials, visual evidence, borderlands/shatterzone, gender - these are some of the topics in which people are doing significant work
I call it "beating around the bush" :lol:

On a more serious note, you probably know my take on this matter, the fact that the mainstream refuses to acknowledge denial, HHB, etc. and like to pretend this movement does not exist (with the exception of a handful of books published that tackle denial, mostly around the turn of the century) and obviously the two Zundel/Irving-Lipstadt court cases

...these folks in their ivory towers have no idea how damaging the simple question "did you know auschwitz had a swimming pool" by a denier on a public forum can have.

And the victim is then basically left to fend for himself, i.e. to go and terminate this seed of doubt that has now been planted with one simple observation, requiring auto didactic research.

None of the talking points of deniers are incorporated into holocaust education as it is taught in school curriculums. You'll learn 1 million people died in Auschwitz, you wont learn the soviet 4 million claim and why it was revised in the 90s. You'll learn zyklon-b was used for homicidal gassing. You wont learn it was also used for fumigation.

Then, years later, a denier comes along and hammers these facts into your brain, and you can't stop getting over the fact that the educators you relied on taught you an incomplete picture.
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Re: The state of online Holocaust denial

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:04 pm

My take: If you look at high school curricula, materials and instruction in the social sciences, I think, you will find that academic work sits on a different and almost unrelated plane to that of pre-college education. I don't mean for only the Holocaust but generally in what the American schools call "social studies"; social sciences education in the schools remains decades "out of date," so to speak, in almost every respect. Very different dynamics shape the schools and the colleges and universities. The schools fail in these areas (slavery is another glaring example) at very basic level. A review I did - itself years out of date - of high school materials and instruction for the Holocaust showed what teachers contend with: standards that are lacking, no testing, content that is misleading and superficial, abbreviated coverage time, aged "theoretical" foundations, untrained teachers. A lot of the backbone of high school studies is a kind of soft liberalism - focusing on hatred and tolerance, and attitude and behavior influencing, not historical knowledge or understanding of social relations and dynamics. There's also the trend of student-centered approaches, replete with role-playing and simulations, sometimes using random sources, methods which oftentimes turn touchy feely and have little to do with building understanding of the context and developments of the historical period.

You can't equate this situation to the course academics are on. It might improve high school instruction were the schools to have closer partnerships with and more reliance on the universities for the social sciences. But the problem in the public schools is much more foundational and concerns curriculum, teacher preparedness, instructional theories, and even school governance. I'm no longer in a position to look at this again, or more closely; it'd be interesting to do so. OTOH I wonder if much has changed. Jennifer Rich, a professor of education specializing in Holocaust studies, who testified in a recent NJ court case concerning a teacher who focused on HD and had been dismissed, said recently that high schoolers are “wildly misinformed or not informed at all” about the Holocaust - many not even knowing the century in which the Holocaust occurred. Rich said: “We know that Holocaust education as a whole has not been super successful. There are huge gaps in what kids are learning and . . . what they are internalizing.” Rich gives as an example of a breakthrough approach her own lessons in which teachers use the KL badging system. (https://diversityis.com/histories-of-ha ... esponsibly) IIRC her NJ court testimony itself wasn't stellar (IIRC she prioritized Night and cross-discipline links with the English lit department).

Rich's 2019 review of the situation (https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10 ... 18.1515060) in New Jersey concluded that
Teacher candidates in the first state with a Holocaust education mandate [NJ] know very little about the Holocaust, with a lack of basic factual knowledge and an inability to discuss broader implications of its history. . . . Closely linked to the question of teacher content knowledge are the questions of what we are teaching and to what effect. In other words, how do we assess what it is that students are learning? . . . It seems that what students are learning is often deficient or flatly wrong. . . . Totten and Riley . . . studied nine different state curricula and found various deficiencies, inaccuracies, and an “absence of authentic pedagogy” . . . Among the problematic elements they identified were historical ones (e.g., a lack of background information on antisemitism) and pedagogical strategies that focused on what the authors termed “trivial pursuit…meaningless learning activities that lead the student nowhere in terms of knowledge or skill building” . . . Even worse was the presence of teaching strategies that promoted a narrow or parochial view of the Holocaust, especially an emphasis on role-playing and simulations. This is an approach for which students are uniquely ill equipped because they generally cannot grasp the all-encompassing nature of fascist totalitarianism and the “terror that pervaded Germany and thus stifled dissent” . . . Authentic pedagogy and the Holocaust: A critical review of state sponsored Holocaust curricula. . . . Some guides border on the absurd (e.g., one Pennsylvania teaching guide incorporates a simulation that tries to approximate the nature of Nazi indoctrination. Students must wrestle with whether they would submit to attending a school pep rally, wearing their school colors, per their principal’s instructions. . . . This can hardly be considered commensurate with the realities of Nazi Germany. . . . Teachers, then, are faced with state mandates, but they often have insufficient content knowledge, very little professional development, and questionable teaching materials. . . .
Given the way public schools are governed and managed, curriculum is developed, school teachers are trained, and instruction delivered, the situation in the schools presents its own set of problems, not ones that are closely linked to where academic research is headed.

Short version: Academics are trying to deepen understanding of the developments of the period by exploring aspects not well researched heretofore, whilst the public schools are trying to figure out when the events in question occurred.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:57 pm

It’s the familiar refrain that I hear from my Facebook denier:
“Look what they are teaching them in school!!!”

The reality is it’s not much and much of that looks like a waste of time.

Admittedly it’s been, well, decades since I attended high school (and below) but I really don’t remember learning anything about it. My kids are in elementary and middle school AFAIK they haven’t been taught anything.

My earliest contact with this was reading my father’s copy of “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” when I was 12 or 13. Shirer spends a few pages on it but it’s very brief though he gives extensive information on what happened to German Jews.

I learned a lot more on the university level but the reality is I learned much more on my own.

The reality is most of our regular posters here could teach the subject with much more skill than what is described by Stat Mech above.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:06 pm

The other issue concerning public education, where even the most basic framework is lacking, is overcomplicating the curriculum by teaching about denial and the course of the historiography. Not only is extra time involved - and time's at a premium - but that would confuse high schoolers in many cases as they snooze through their classes or check their phones, or even giving the appearance of legitimacy to denier arguments is probably asking a lot of ill-prepared teachers to handle. The best way to learn the history is not by adopting the denier agenda, with its special memes and small matters, and refuting their cherrypicked and dishonest point - but in putting the curriculum on a sounder basis.

Most deniers we encounter (not YouTube?) are middle-aged white men who weren't schooled in the framework I discussed above. So, yes, high school education should be made a lot better, but there's a cohort of "Facebook" age ignoramuses out there already.
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been-there in 2014 and his promoting a falsified Zionist quotation: https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... =80#p29897

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I have to say that among the many denier faults is how slowly they type transcripts of interviews and videos.
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Balmoral95 wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:31 am
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:34 am
I think, if you look at books being published, journals, conference agendas, you will see that the concerns that deniers have just aren't important in the profession these days. Jewish resistance, survival modes, perpetrator studies and networks, comparative genocides, remembrance and memory, testimony and trials, visual evidence, borderlands/shatterzone, gender - these are some of the topics in which people are doing significant work.

If you look at the last 4 Lessons & Legacies, each having maybe 50 panels plus workshops and plenary sessions, you won't even find a lot of Auschwitz, let alone Treblinka. Or think about Mailänder's study of Majdanek, which mentions gas chambers at the camp but only in the context of the work of Aufseherinnen working in Lublin.

What we debate with deniers - and the way some of these discussions dwell on rather small issues simply because deniers want to use them to sow doubt without even knowing what evidence on the matter exists (or, like Bunny and his bakeries or Filbert's murder action, trying to hide it) - is really not anywhere close to the mainstream of recent historical activity. There are exceptions, e.g., Montague's study of Chelmno is a good one, chock full of testimony and other evidence on killing processes.
Exactly. Which is why I think the transcript version of Hunt's video may well prove important....
IIRC Berger's book may have had some details specific to this topic that may be of interest, but it's only available in German.

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:48 pm
I have to say that among the many denier faults is how slowly they type transcripts of interviews and videos.
I've gotta bit of spare time at the moment to transcribe but why should I help these deniers? Maybe he should ask Marty Wintonbury if he'll lend a hand.

I looked back over some of the Hunt thread and oh boy it was great. Death on a Cracker was still with us then. Eric was going on about the suffering...

State of online denial. Well I read a whiny post on codoh about the 'smug people,' of the Skeptic society forum.
"We are still waiting for anyone to rebut the main theme of the article that the decode in question and the numbers it quoted perfectly match those in the Korherr report.

Until such a rebuttal comes to light and goes through peer review the article stands the test of time. And after 10 years since the article was published both Peter (Witte) and I have moved on to other research projects. "

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Darren Wilshak wrote:
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:48 pm
I have to say that among the many denier faults is how slowly they type transcripts of interviews and videos.
I've gotta bit of spare time at the moment to transcribe but why should I help these deniers? Maybe he should ask Marty Wintonbury if he'll lend a hand.

I looked back over some of the Hunt thread and oh boy it was great. Death on a Cracker was still with us then. Eric was going on about the suffering...

State of online denial. Well I read a whiny post on codoh about the 'smug people,' of the Skeptic society forum.
They have “smug” confused with well read..

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:52 am

Well, someone here, who's dabbled and looked at some online stuff, and has even watched a video by Rhymes With, said of people who post here: "You sniggering fools snigger about things of which you are ignorant nincompoops about." And told us that we are also "pretentious fools."

But this same individual hasn't been able to answer any of the questions asked of him about Treblinka because, er, he doesn't "have a presentable case" yet and he's not "gotten more than 1/3 way into transcribing [Hunt's] video" and he doesn't have "the time to finish anytime soon." The transcripts, you see, are the key: "I need to transcribe the whole video to make my points."

One of the questions this person can't answer is about the Warsaw transports of late 1942. And that was a question Rhymes With's video didn't even consider - and the news about it was so bad that, after getting beaten up here and begging for help with Warsaw, Rhymes With gave up the fight. But this person thinks that the transcripts will enable him to deal with this stuff. God bless and good luck. Fool.

And we're supposed to respect Rhymes With and blake and the rest of them?
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:52 am
Well, someone here, who's dabbled and looked at some online stuff, and has even watched a video by Rhymes With, said of people who post here: "You sniggering fools snigger about things of which you are ignorant nincompoops about." And told us that we are also "pretentious fools."

But this same individual hasn't been able to answer any of the questions asked of him about Treblinka because, er, he doesn't "have a presentable case" yet and he's not "gotten more than 1/3 way into transcribing [Hunt's] video" and he doesn't have "the time to finish anytime soon." The transcripts, you see, are the key: "I need to transcribe the whole video to make my points."

One of the questions this person can't answer is about the Warsaw transports of late 1942. And that was a question Rhymes With's video didn't even consider - and the news about it was so bad that, after getting beaten up here and begging for help with Warsaw, Rhymes With gave up the fight. But this person thinks that the transcripts will enable him to deal with this stuff. God bless and good luck. Fool.

And we're supposed to respect Rhymes With and blake and the rest of them?

Not sure that respect is what they want. Those who want respect, give respect. They don’t.

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You may be right. Oftentimes it is not clear what they want . . . but the ranting about smug/sniggering/pretentious fools is some kind of weird cry-out . . .
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:06 am


been-there in 2014 and his promoting a falsified Zionist quotation: https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... =80#p29897

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been-there is notorious for posting quotes which he has not bothered to verify.

Nevertheless, the theme of quoting posts without verifying them is not exclusive to been-there, it is a common theme among deniers. I’ve seen loads of falsified quotes attributed to Churchill, Hitler, etc, posted by deniers.

Reminds me of the never ending dispute between zionist-occupation and me a while back:

https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 20#p136646

Deniers like to post alleged quotes and then ask people who question them to disprove them! :roll:
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Why verify a quote when he is the very essence of propaganda? Or something...isn't that his avatar?

Not saying he's the living Goebbels of the rodoh loony shop though, even so.
"We are still waiting for anyone to rebut the main theme of the article that the decode in question and the numbers it quoted perfectly match those in the Korherr report.

Until such a rebuttal comes to light and goes through peer review the article stands the test of time. And after 10 years since the article was published both Peter (Witte) and I have moved on to other research projects. "

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More on Eric Hunt and assorted denier reaction to his failing to complete. A site that apparently questions the Holocaust...it seems to me to be more of a Nazi fan boi site than something with any moral ability to question something like that. Alternative facts for the deluded...

https://ww2truth.com/2018/11/09/the-str ... eric-hunt/

Chap says that Eric's assault of Wiesel was a, 'key event.' But he does not mean that was because they then nearly banged up Eric for a long time and threw away the key. He does not want to identify that Eric's ceasing to make these videos is the key event. No, the Jew hating of Wiesel is ever the key event. Berg won a debate with Eric over describing a gas chamber (snore). Well to be honest now setting up a pair like that together in a debate is not exactly a clash of the titans. Eric torched his work and wishes to wrest control of it back. Rightly or wrongly though - mwe know about the copyright issues - that is ignored by visitors to the site being encouraged to do just that. Download Eric's demonstrably flawed research for themselves before it disappears...

It is the blind leading the blind in teaching people how to be blind. These websites are loaded with it. You could say they are accomplished in website design but that's about it for any sort of value. I dare say if I were to type in 'Leon Degrelle' I would find a passionate love poem to Hitler and Wallonia in there.

Anyway, the author insinuates that Eric's work must have been so dangerous to the 'official story, that he was paid off by the powers that be to stop him making any more videos. Rizoli chimes in with the extraordinary claim that Eric was threatened and that is why he didn't complete. Never let it be said that ANY denier simply out of their own forces and powers was able to walk away from it. Ever! Aesthetically someone here might have paid him off - not because of the subject matter of his videos so much. Just because they weren't very good videos and he would be doing the world a favour by ceasing to produce them.
"We are still waiting for anyone to rebut the main theme of the article that the decode in question and the numbers it quoted perfectly match those in the Korherr report.

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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:40 pm

I have a question, how does one become a professional exterminationalist?
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Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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I wouldn't know but if there was such a thing it'd be surely a sight harder to achieve than it is to become an amateur Holocaust denier.
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Until such a rebuttal comes to light and goes through peer review the article stands the test of time. And after 10 years since the article was published both Peter (Witte) and I have moved on to other research projects. "

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:22 pm

The Jews got to Eric, who announced on behalf of the Jews that his revised mission is to fight the Jews. OK. That makes as much sense as anything else they believe. For now, I'll keep quiet about the email exchange Eric and I had.
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Oh I'm glad he corresponded with you. That was good.

You've nailed it! Its like circles within circles. Which Jews are the ones that Eric is fighting again?
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Post by Goody67 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:34 pm

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Why verify a quote when he is the very essence of propaganda? Or something...isn't that his avatar?

Not saying he's the living Goebbels of the rodoh loony shop though, even so.
Goebbels was intelligent and was able to convince millions upon millions of Germans to believe in Nazi ideas, the best been-there can do is appeal to a few nutjobs on a crap forum. :D
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Post by Goody67 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:36 pm

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Oh I'm glad he corresponded with you. That was good.

You've nailed it! Its like circles within circles. Which Jews are the ones that Eric is fighting again?
According to the deniers, that will be “International Jewry” . :roll: :roll: :roll:

Those paranoid freaks have probably never even spoken to a Jew or even read anything about Judaism.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:43 pm

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or even read anything about Judaism.
Excuse me, some have read The Protocols of the Elders of Zion - it's all in there. :(
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After getting the link for another thread, I had a little look at the shitty forum and someone has created a thread about deniers refusing to accept Eric Hunt accepting that he was wrong about Treblinka:

https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=3820

Turnagain really is stupid, he thinks he has an answer for everything.
I went back to this link again today and found a thread started by Bunim Abend at Rodoh called "The knowledge (lack of really!) of deniers" - the OP is a long list of scholarly titles, mostly recent, which has many of the same books we've asked deniers about in this forum and at ISF. The list bears a strong resemblance to posts here and at ISF.

Abend says of the list at Rodoh that he is "interested to know which of the following books any denier has read."

I will give EtienneSC points for giving an honest answer at ISF, knowing full well that his reply didn't make him look good. IIRC EtienneSC had read fewer than 1% of the books on the list I posted at ISF.

The usual crew at Rodoh prefer to post inane comparisons, silly chatter, stupidity about peer review, and out of context quotations. Not a one stands up, as EtienneSC did, to give a direct reply. All to cover for their inadequacy, of course, but the other point is what cowards they are, the lot of them, bucking each other up with group hugs for their ignorance.

Again, think about the absurdity of their proposition: they claim to be "revisionists," challenging the mainstream understanding of and research on the Holocaust - yet they haven't read the works that explain the research. It would be as though someone declared the mainstream treatment for migraine headaches to be all wrong - without having studied how doctors typically treat migraine and why - and then dogmatically insisted that really, sacrificing a toad at midnight, drinking its blood, and howling at the moon would be better.

I guess the only thing that can be said for the sorry performance in that thread is that, on some level, they are keenly aware of their deficits and thus have to prevent discussion of the OP.
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I asked kiwichap Ephraimite the religious jew hater New Zealand vicious Anti sem once if a Jew should ever call on him would he invite him in to his home to take some tea with him?

His answer:

"Hey pal, jews don't get past my front door!"

"Do you hide behind the curtains until they go away again?" I asked him.

He didn't reply...

Given how loony about Jews they are, I would say that their experience of Jews and of Judaica is poor to completely non existent and mostly is trash about blood libels, protocols of Zion and online stuff gleaned from their fellow Jew haters...Ask them for a decent gefilte fish recipe or about lox, you'll see. Try some Rabbinical discourse, a bit of Mammonides. You'll get the same old tired crap about how they can't be anti semites, what is a Jew and old adolf had some great ideas.

Fair enough Goody, Goebbels had huge influence, and BT's is minimal and confined to opinionated snorting reviews on amazon about the hoax and his take on History at rodoh. Even on rodoh I could say that roughly half of the ship's company of denier doofi disagree with BT or don't like him. But then hey, is it not true that they they mostly have all ended up violently disagreeing and falling out with one another in some fashion over the years anyway?

When I visualise a thicket of deniers I don't see any sort of coherent or solid front to any of it. Show me that there really is anything worth considering. I will show you an occult militaristic third rate secretive loser Hitler and all he brought worship and a crank blood obsession that will not tolerate anything else.

As Holocaust Controversies have said, there is nothing more to discuss now and they should know. They have discussed all of it. Denier zombies though. Well they may well appear at first to have the spark of thought and life flowing through their limbs and minds but they do not. At the end of the long denying Jew hating day when the sun goes down and the black sun that they worship peeps out they are still just the same old horrid thing. Undead shuffling nasty wannabe nazi zombies.

They smell of fish and they don't seem to want to read any books as Bunim Abend has observed. So I uterly diskard them hem hem.
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Post by Darren Wilshak » Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:55 pm

Sholom Aleichem? Er

The Shnorrer, er.

The Hitler we knew and loved? Ah yes, we know that one.
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Post by Goody67 » Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:56 am

Huntinger is doing a fine job of showing his ignorance:

https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 00#p152193

blake quickly told him to, "Sanity check this nonsense". :lol:

After quite a few more stupid posts, one then reads Turnagain's post:
I'll let you two hash out your differences over the calculations of kilo calories and mega joules. Some numbers from Treblinka need to be mentioned, though. It's alleged that 2,000 to 3,000 cadavers were placed on the cremation grate at a time. Assuming an average body weight of 60 kg, that results in about (2,500 cadavers average) 150,000 kg of cadavers or 330,600 lbs. If 1,500 lbs of wood is used per 1,000 lbs of cadaver weight, it will take (330.6 X 1,500) or 495,900 lbs of wood to cremate 2,500 cadavers. In addition, 2 gallons of liquid fuel is needed for 1,000 lbs of cadaver weight or (330.6 X 2) 661.2 gallons.

That is what would be necessary if the cadavers were being cremated in the super efficient air-curtain incineration process. Since two grates were used simultaneously, it would require about 495 (495.9) tons of wood and about 1,300 (1,322.4) gallons of liquid fuel per day to cremate or at least burn 5,000 cadavers. Again, that's using the super efficient air-curtain incineration method.

I don't see how the Germans managed to cremate ~5,000 cadavers per day on an open air grate. It would indeed have to be a magic Jew barbeque.
https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 20#p152227

Someone created the thread with the intention of deniers discussing the fact that Eric Hunt posted that his video about Treblinka was not accurate, instead one reads Turnagain pedaling the same nonsense he did last year when I posted on the stupid forum. Does he post anything else? No wonder I got so easily bored of him.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:25 am

I'd actually forgotten those ones. Large skies, buttes, snakes, thunderstorms that shake the earth, and timeless architecture can do that to a person.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
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I'd actually forgotten those ones. Large skies, buttes, snakes, thunderstorms that shake the earth, and timeless architecture can do that to a person.
What is the background of Turnagain? He seems to have posted the same piffle about Treblinka for years on the RODOH forum.

Have you ever attempted to have a discussion with him?

He comes across as one of those people who thinks he knows best all of the time and refuses to acknowledge when he has made a mistake or when he is in the wrong. Reading Turnagain's posts and Nessie's replies and vice versa is like reading the same thing over and over again because Turnagain simply refuses to acknowledge any of his faults. DP kindly reminded everyone on the RODOH forum that the only book Turnagain claims he has read about Treblinka is Jankiel Wiernik's "A Year In Treblinka", but I doubt even that because his conclusions about Wiernik don't make any sense.

Like every other denier on the shitty forum, he just repeats himself to the point where one ends up falling asleep due to reading the same crap over and over again.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:57 am

Turnagain posted the same stuff here. It was embarrassing then, several years ago. He got himself banned for reasons I don't recall. Boring.
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Do him and Mr. Gerdes ever tag team? Imagine the levels of vacuity and nailbiting skin picking obsession that would reach if they were to attack the hoax back to back?

In the red corner going on and on its Alaska with the, 'magic jew barbecue.' In the blue corner representing Montana, we have 'the anti investigation barriers.' I only say this because he seems to be devoted to saying 'mjb,' over and over again like someone in a trance who thinks if he invokes a concept long enough it is true for the entirety of the World. Just as Mr. Gerdes had his numerous, 'approaches.' Only is it true to the Turninagainandagainandagainandagain, soul. For the rest of the world not devoted to obsessing over endless mathematical calculations about cremating and or disposing of large numbers of people afterwards, it is not so.

Like I said this line is just the sort of forked over to death crap that appeals vastly to a man who is also on the move and who comes and goes much like our man in Havana-Anchorage, Mr Gerdes. Still, it keeps them off the streets I suppose...

So you should forget him.
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I do wonder how someone with mathematical talents beyond the skills of anything that has been in my experience can devote his efforts to using them to burn and cremate people obsessively forever, amen. With Turn up again its clearly an obsessive compulsive disorder. Just like with Mr. Gerdes.
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Post by Darren Wilshak » Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:41 pm

nickterry summed it up best with certain deniers, 'monomania is hard to hide.'
"We are still waiting for anyone to rebut the main theme of the article that the decode in question and the numbers it quoted perfectly match those in the Korherr report.

Until such a rebuttal comes to light and goes through peer review the article stands the test of time. And after 10 years since the article was published both Peter (Witte) and I have moved on to other research projects. "

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Post by Goody67 » Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:10 pm

Darren Wilshak wrote:
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nickterry summed it up best with certain deniers, 'monomania is hard to hide.'
Spot on when it comes to the deniers.

Turnagain is obsessed with Treblinka, especially making the crazy claims that no graves and no human remains have been found. Oh, and he likes to constantly describe eyewitnesses as liars, but uses those exact same eyewitnesses as evidence for his claims (even though they don’t claim what he thinks they do!).

Huntinger (including his clone accounts) is obsessed with describing the Jews as “Jude” (since he is a wannabe Nazi and pretends to be German by using German words, even though he uses German words incorrectly a lot), spamming neo-Nazi BS, making the ridiculous claim that the Allies were responsible for the deaths of the Jews, denying any German war crimes, etc. I don’t actually think Huntinger is genuinely a Holocaust denier or neo-Nazi, he just seems to always seek attention - even deniers have told him to stfu.

been-there is obsessed with typing in a psychological way to propagate his Nazi apologist beliefs. He likes to cry all of the time that people personally attack him instead of his arguments, but he regularly describes people as “idiots” and similar terms. He’s been caught out lying lots of times. His long posts are mainly large quotes from material and not his own words. He’s also notorious for posting quotes before verifying them.

Cut a long story short, they are all idiots.
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