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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:49 am

This is coming out in April:
Artur Hojan and 1 more
The Chelmno Death Camp: History, Biographies, Remembrance
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:51 am

Oops, never mind. The other author is Chris Webb.
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Post by Denying-History » Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:59 pm

I've dug through Webb's book. Its not worth is, and claims Treblinka used Diesel.

It also contains personal interviews between him and survivors that I feel very uncomfortable about someone citing.
« The Terror here is a horrifying fact. There is a fear that reaches down and haunts all sections of the community. No household, however humble, apparently but what lives in constant fear of nocturnal raid by the secret police. . .This particular purge is undoubtedly political. . . It is deliberately projected by the party leaders, who themselves regretted the necessity for it. »
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Post by Goody67 » Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:08 pm

I'm just about to finish James Whitman's book "Hitler's American Model: The United States and the Making of Nazi Race Law".

It's a relatively short book, but it's full of good information detailing how much of an influence American politics influenced Nazi politics, especially when it came to segregating races.

I recommend the book.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:47 pm

Goody67 wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:08 pm
I'm just about to finish James Whitman's book "Hitler's American Model: The United States and the Making of Nazi Race Law".

It's a relatively short book, but it's full of good information detailing how much of an influence American politics influenced Nazi politics, especially when it came to segregating races.

I recommend the book.
Can you open a thread on it?
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Post by Goody67 » Tue Apr 02, 2019 5:50 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:47 pm
Can you open a thread on it?
I’ll post about it on the thread I made about books that are about the Nazis’ views on races.

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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:45 pm

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Once I finish that I will read “Harvest of Hate: The Nazi Program for the Destruction of the Jews” by L. Poliakov (1954 publish date, 1st edition).” It’s a first edition. Then Cesarani, Reitlinger, etc. Once I get through I will go on to other things. This should keep me busy for a bit.
Getting ready to start “Harvest of Hate.”
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:53 pm

I will be through with the crunch on my project sometime soon. The books I am taking with me on my upcoming trip are...

Adler, The Jews of Paris and the Final Solution: Communal Response and Internal Conflicts, 1940-1944 (1985)
Gildea, Fighters in the Shadow: A New History of the French Revolution (2015)
Broch, Ordinary Workers, Vichy, and the Holocaust (2016)
Rousso, The Vichy Syndrome: History and Memory in France since 1944 (1991)
Mitchell, Nazi Paris: The History of an Occupation 1940-1944 (2008, 2010)
Drake, Paris at War 1939-1944 (2005)

maybe two books on Romania as I will be traveling for several weeks . . .
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Post by Goody67 » Sat Apr 06, 2019 12:21 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:45 pm
Getting ready to start “Harvest of Hate.”
If you haven’t already, I recommend you to also read his book “The Aryan Myth”.

Neo-Nazi idiots like to spout about the superiority of the “Aryan race”, yet the Nazis themselves admitted that there was no such thing as an “Aryan race” (hence the change from ‘Aryan’ to ‘German or related blood’ in legal documents, not that it made any difference because even that term remained undefined).
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Post by Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:29 pm

Free new IHRA e-book:

- New Publication: Mass Murder of People with Disabilities and the Holocaust
Edited by Brigitte Bailer and Juliane Wetzel, International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance , April 2019

In Germany and occupied Austria, people with disabilities were the first to fall victim to National Socialist mass murder, propagated under the euphemistic term of “euthanasia”. For racist and economic reasons they were deemed unfit to live. The means and methods used in these crimes were applied later during the Holocaust — perpetrators of these first murders became experts in the death camps of the so-called “Aktion Reinhardt”.

Over the course of World War II the National Socialists aimed to exterminate people with disabilities in the occupied territories of Western Europe, and also in Eastern Europe.

The latest IHRA publication presents the results of the latest research on these murders in the German occupied territories, as discussed at an IHRA conference held in Bern in November 2017.

- Order print copy of the book
http://metropol-verlag.de/book_series/ihra-series/

- Download a free pdf copy of the publication
https://holocaustremembrance.com/sites/ ... %20web.pdf

Recent publications in the IHRA Publication Series include Refugee Policies from 1933 until Today
(Note by Kleon: Some of them already discussed in this forum):
- Challenges and Responsibilities (2018),
- Research in Teaching and Learning about the Holocaust: A Dialogue Beyond Borders (2017);
- Bystanders, Rescuers or Perpetrators? The Neutral Countries and the Shoah (2016);
- Killing Sites: Research and Remembrance (2015).
From: IHRA Newsletter 4, 12 April 2019
https://us10.campaign-archive.com/home/ ... 543c03520d
According to experts and scholars, the 10 stages of every genocide are
Classification Symbolization Discrimination Dehumanization Organization Polarization Preparation Persecution Extermination
... and finally the 10th stage:
Denial
http://www.genocidewatch.org/genocide/t ... ocide.html
XYZ Contagion (‘Because the truth is contagious‘), an investigative/research political and historical website, deals also with the Srebrenica Genocide
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:40 pm

thanks, nice reference
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:05 pm

I dropped “Harvest of Hate” because my library finally got me a copy of Saul Friedlander’s “Years of Extermination.” Once I’m done with that I will go back to “Harvest of Hate.”
Question for Groening by a reporter:
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:06 pm

I actually own “Years of Extermination” but I’m not sure where it is....
:D
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Post by Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:23 pm

New book in Greek, translated from German
From Hans-Joachim Lang:
More than 100 Jewish women from Thessaloniki were admitted by the SS to Block 10 in Auschwitz in 1943. My study "Die Frauen von Block 10. Medizinische Versuche in Auschwitz" (The Women of Block 10. Medical Experiments in Auschwitz), which has now been published in Greek under the title "Οι γυναίκες του μπλοκ 10: Ιατρικά πειράματα στο Άουσβιτς" reports from the perspective of the victims, who still include several hundred Jewish women from other countries. The focus is on everyday life in this building, where Nazi doctors (Carl Clauberg, Horst Schumann, Eduard and Helmut Wirths, Bruno Weber and Hans Münch) carried out medical experiments, including forced sterilisation.

From this block, two anthropologists also selected 29 Jewish women (including 19 women from Thessaloniki) who were murdered by the SS in the Natzweiler-Struthof concentration camp because the anatomy professor August Hirt at the "German Reich University Straßburg" wanted to realize a special (racial-biological) skeleton collection. This collection was not realized, the victims were buried after the liberation of Strasbourg in the Jewish cemetery there.

Although most of the women from Block 10 survived the experiments, many of them died after the Auschwitz evacuation on the death march or in the subsequent camps. The book also deals with the later fate of the survivors, who had serious health problems and, to a large extent, were unable to have children.

Loutsa Romano from Thessaloniki was one of the women who died in Block 10. The cover picture shows her with her fiancé Rofel before the deportation. My big thanks to the Greek publisher University Studio Press, to the translator Níki Eideneier-Anastasiádi, and to Tzéki Benmajór, who wrote a foreword.
- The Women of Block 10: Details - ITS
https://www.its-arolsen.org/nc/en/lates ... -block-10/

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According to experts and scholars, the 10 stages of every genocide are
Classification Symbolization Discrimination Dehumanization Organization Polarization Preparation Persecution Extermination
... and finally the 10th stage:
Denial
http://www.genocidewatch.org/genocide/t ... ocide.html
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sun Apr 14, 2019 12:57 pm

I leave for Europe for over a month today. With a clear conscience . . . I got the last changes in the book I am working on off to the editor and designer last night, in the nick of time. And I will start in reading the books above on France during the long flight to Stockholm . . .
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:18 pm

Very excited to have received a copy of Amos Goldberg, Hebrew University of Jerusalem, A Fool or a Prophet: Rubinstein the Warsaw Ghetto Jester (The 2019 J. B. and Maurice C. Shapiro Annual Lecture at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum 13.3.2019). I will add to earlier posts on Rubinstein when I have read this paper. (Goldberg's two specialties are Warsaw ghetto cultural history and Jewish memoirs of the Holocaust.)
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:16 pm

Shifted direction, reading this now:
Vietnam
An Epic Tragedy, 1945-1975
by Max Hastings
Question for Groening by a reporter:
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:42 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:53 pm
Mitchell, Nazi Paris: The History of an Occupation 1940-1944 (2008, 2010)
Without in the least apologizing for or prettifying Vichy, Mitchell "corrects" Marrus & Paxton with archival information on German pressures on the French.
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:53 pm
Drake, Paris at War 1939-1944 (2005)
Drake highlights the communist resistance in Paris and anti-communist policy at Vichy and among the Germans and stresses economic issues and responses during the occupation.

Both books are quite good, if depressing reading.
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Post by Balsamo » Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:39 am

Statmec:
Without in the least apologizing for or prettifying Vichy, Mitchell "corrects" Marrus & Paxton with archival information on German pressures on the French.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:09 am

A reminder, for the compilation I did in response to k0nsl's witterings here of connections of the Führer to the Final Solution, Röthke in Paris in mid-1943 complained about Laval's distinction between foreign and French Jews when it came to deportations to the East, "the order of the Führer about the Final Solution of the Jewish question in all of Europe is clearly established." (Mitchell, p 134)
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:09 am
A reminder, for the compilation I did in response to k0nsl's witterings here of connections of the Führer to the Final Solution, Röthke in Paris in mid-1943 complained about Laval's distinction between foreign and French Jews when it came to deportations to the East, "the order of the Führer about the Final Solution of the Jewish question in all of Europe is clearly established." (Mitchell, p 134)
Just bought it.

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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:16 pm
Shifted direction, reading this now:
Vietnam
An Epic Tragedy, 1945-1975
by Max Hastings
Just finished it. I liked it and it’s good to take a break. But back to the Holocaust...
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:07 pm

Having issues downloading “Years of Extermination” so I started the Himmler biography...and it’s quite good!!!! Longerich isn’t so bad after all.
:)
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“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

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Anyone read this?
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Harvard Crimson (on why it refused to run an add by Bradley Smith):
“(It is) vicious propaganda based on utter BS that has been discredited time and time again.”

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Post by Denying-History » Sun May 05, 2019 6:40 am

Alright, we're in for a long one:

- Shanghai 1937: Stalingrad on the Yangtze by Peter Harmsen

- Nanjing 1937: Battle for a Doomed City by Peter Harmsen

- The Making of the "Rape of Nanking": History and Memory in Japan, China, and the United States by Takashi Yoshida

- Stalin and the Lubianka: A Documentary History of the Political Police and Security Organs in the Soviet Union, 1922–1953 by David R. Shearer

- Stalinism as a Way of Life by Lewis Siegelbaum

- Essays on Revolutionary Culture and Stalinism: Selected Papers from the Third World Congress for Soviet and East European Studies edited by John William Strong

- Stalin's Last Crime: The Plot Against the Jewish Doctors, 1948-1953 by Jonathan Brent

- Poland Betrayed: The Nazi-Soviet Invasions of 1939 by David G. Williamson

- Dachau, 1933-45: The Official History by Paul Berden

- Inside the Stalin Archives: Discovering the New Russia by Jonathan Brent

- Katyn Killings: In the Record by John H. Lauck

- Russia's War: A History of the Soviet Effort: 1941-1945 by Richard Overy

- Terror and Democracy in the Age of Stalin by Wendy Z. Goldman

-A New, Peculiar State: Explorations in Soviet History, 1917-1937 by Andrea Graziosi

-The Visitation of God?: The Potato & the Great Irish Famine by Austin Bourke

- The Hungry Stream: Essays On Emigration And Famine by E. Margaret Crawford

-The Cambridge Social History of Modern Ireland by Eugenio F. Biagini

- United Ireland, Human Rights and International Law by Francis A. Boyle

- The Great Irish Potato Famine by James S. Donnelly Jr.

- The famine in Ireland by Mary E Daly

- The Great Irish Famine by Cormac Ó Gráda

- Famine: A Short History by Cormac Ó Gráda

- A Death-Dealing Famine: The Great Hunger in Ireland by Christine Kinealy

- The Great Famine: Studies in Irish History, 1845-52 edited by R. Dudley Edwards & T. Desmond Williams

-Leave None to Tell the Story: Genocide in Rwanda by Alison Des Forges

- The Shallow Graves of Rwanda by Shaharyar M. Khan

- Africa's World War by Gerard Prunier

- A People Betrayed by Linda Melvern

- Rural Adaptation in Russia edited by Stephen Wegren

-Rethinking Srebrenica by Stephen Karganovic

- The Story of 1915 - What Happened to the Ottoman Armenians by Yusuf Halacoglu

- At the Crossroads of Der Zor: Death, Survival, and Humanitarian Resistance in Aleppo, 1915-1917 by Hilmar Kaiser

- The Extermination of Armenians in The Diarbekir Region by Hilmar Kaiser

- Population History of the Middle East and the Balkans by Justin McCarthy

-The Ottoman Peoples and the End of Empire by Justin McCarthy

-Muslims and Minorities: The Population of Ottoman Anatolia and the End of the Empire by Justin McCarthy
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Wed May 08, 2019 5:09 pm

Continuing with my reading project, finished Friedlander’s “The Years of Extermination.” I’m moving on to finish “Harvest of Hate.”
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:07 pm
Having issues downloading “Years of Extermination” so I started the Himmler biography...and it’s quite good!!!! Longerich isn’t so bad after all.
:)
Reading this at work because I left “Harvest of Hate” at home. I really do like it.
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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 5:09 pm
Continuing with my reading project, finished Friedlander’s “The Years of Extermination.” I’m moving on to finish “Harvest of Hate.”
Finished “Harvest of Hate.”
Question for Groening by a reporter:
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Groening:
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri May 10, 2019 4:05 pm

Continuing on with the biography of Himmler.
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat May 11, 2019 11:03 pm

Huh, going through my library, came across:
The Holocaust and History: The Known, the Unknown, the Disputed and the Reexamined.
Edited by Michael Berenbaum and Abraham J. Peck

I bought this a couple of years ago and forgot I had it. I’ll have to work it in.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue May 14, 2019 3:39 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:53 pm
I will be through with the crunch on my project sometime soon. The books I am taking with me on my upcoming trip are...

Adler, The Jews of Paris and the Final Solution: Communal Response and Internal Conflicts, 1940-1944 (1985)
Gildea, Fighters in the Shadow: A New History of the French Revolution (2015)
Broch, Ordinary Workers, Vichy, and the Holocaust (2016)
Rousso, The Vichy Syndrome: History and Memory in France since 1944 (1991)
Mitchell, Nazi Paris: The History of an Occupation 1940-1944 (2008, 2010)
Drake, Paris at War 1939-1944 (2005)

maybe two books on Romania as I will be traveling for several weeks . . .
Having tired of communism, after a month in Red Sweden, I'm flying home today. I worked a lot here on my "other" project, and I spent a lot of time with communist associates, but did find time to read all the above except Rousso, which I've started and should get deep into on the plane that will bring me back to Freedom this morning.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
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Having tired of communism, after a month in Red Sweden, I'm flying home today. I worked a lot here on my "other" project, and I spent a lot of time with communist associates, but did find time to read all the above except Rousso, which I've started and should get deep into on the plane that will bring me back to Freedom this morning.
I bought a copy of Leonard Schapiro’s “The Communist Party of the Soviet Union” for a really cheap price the other day, I started reading it last night.

And, I ordered Victor Sebestyen’s “Lenin: The Man, the Dictator, and the Master of Terror” last night. It’s been a while since I last read a biography of Lenin so I shall read that after Schapiro’s book.
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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu May 16, 2019 5:18 pm

The Red Terror that has Sweden in its grip is indeed terrifying. Glad to be back in gun-happy Chicago. :)
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat May 18, 2019 4:34 pm

My library picked this up, I’ve got it on hold:
In Broad Daylight
The Secret Procedures behind the Holocaust by Bullets
by Father Patrick Desbois
What sucks is that I requested it but it didn’t go to me first.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon May 20, 2019 8:05 pm

On page 300 of the Himmler biography. Good grief he was an oddball.
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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Post by Goody67 » Thu May 23, 2019 11:01 am

Has anyone read all of Frederick Copleston’s eleven-volume history of philosophy?

History of Philosophy: Greece and Rome

History of Philosophy: Medieval Philosophy

History of Philosophy: Late Medieval and Renaissance Philosophy

History of Philosophy: The Rationalists: Descartes to Leibniz

History of Philosophy: Hobbes to Hume

History of Philosophy: The Enlightenment: Voltaire to Kant

History of Philosophy: 18th and 19th Century German Philosophy

History of Philosophy Volume 8: Utilitarianism to Early Analytic Philosophy

History of Philosophy: 19th and 20th Century French Philosophy

History of Philosophy: Russian Philosophy

History of Philosophy: Logical Positivism and Existentialism
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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu May 23, 2019 4:23 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 8:05 pm
On page 300 of the Himmler biography. Good grief he was an oddball.
Huh, I did not know that Himmler and Ribbentrop were good friends. Rare, most of the other top Nazis despised him.
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“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

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Harvard Crimson (on why it refused to run an add by Bradley Smith):
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu May 23, 2019 4:26 pm

Oops, never mind. Looks like that relationship started to sour once Himmler tried taking advantage of that relationship.
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Harvard Crimson (on why it refused to run an add by Bradley Smith):
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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Post by Goody67 » Thu May 23, 2019 4:50 pm

On my travels today I bought in a charity shop Helmut Krausnick’s “Anatomy of the SS State”.
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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu May 23, 2019 4:53 pm

Goody67 wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 4:50 pm
On my travels today I bought in a charity shop Helmut Krausnick’s “Anatomy of the SS State”.
Post some interesting things about it when you get a chance.
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Harvard Crimson (on why it refused to run an add by Bradley Smith):
“(It is) vicious propaganda based on utter BS that has been discredited time and time again.”