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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:07 pm

I've been utterly unable to read lately as I am too busy with "other things." Today was a case in point - a 7-hour bloc with colleagues on non-H projects I'm involved in. I find that after such a day, I just don't read much . . . ugh.
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New books:

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I’d really recommend anyone who is curious about the Armenian Genocide check out:

The Extermination of Armenians in The Diarbekir Region by Hilmar Kaiser

Genocide at the Twilight of the Ottoman Empire by Hilmar Kaiser in “The Oxford Handbook of Genocide Studies”
« The Terror here is a horrifying fact. There is a fear that reaches down and haunts all sections of the community. No household, however humble, apparently but what lives in constant fear of nocturnal raid by the secret police. . .This particular purge is undoubtedly political. . . It is deliberately projected by the party leaders, who themselves regretted the necessity for it. »
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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:47 am

Got Reitlinger, it is a first edition.
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:28 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:29 pm
Huh, this might send me on a tangent:

Ten Caesars
Roman Emperors from Augustus to Constantine
by Barry Strauss

Comes out in March.
Nope, never mind.

Sent it back and now hunting around.
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

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“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:43 pm

Starting on this today:
Hitler’s Police Battalions: Enforcing Racial War in the East
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:01 pm

Decided to dump this:
Iron, Fire and Ice
The Real History that Inspired Game of Thrones
by Ed West

I feel like I’ve moved past this. I may revisit in the future.
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:03 pm

I am pulling this forward:
Vietnam
An Epic Tragedy, 1945-1975
by Max Hastings
I like Hastings so I think I’ll enjoy this work on Vietnam.
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Post by Upton_O_Goode » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:03 pm

I'm just beginning Davon haben wir nichts gewusst (2nd edition, 2006) by Peter Longerich, who is of course well-known as Holocaust scholar. The title ("We didn't know anything about that") describes the contents very well (at least as far as I have gotten). It is a very commonly heard response by Germans of a certain age (few of whom are now left) to any mention of the Holocaust. Longerich plans to take apart all the weasel words in this phrase, one at a time, from "Davon" (about that---About WHAT? What is it you can now refer to that you couldn't do earlier?) and "wir" (we---who's "WE"? No one ever says "I".) to "nichts gewusst" (didn't know anything--So you didn't KNOW anything? Didn't you HEAR anything? Didn't you SUSPECT anything?). It's a thick volume, doesn't appear to have been translated into English, even though Longerich could certainly have written it in English, being a professor at Royal Holloway University and founder of its Holocaust studies program. That's undoubtedly because it was aimed directly at a German audience, the one Longerich obviously feels most needs to confront this history. I imagine some of you will have read it, but if no one has, I'll post from time to time on what I'm learning from it.
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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:23 pm

Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:03 pm
I'm just beginning Davon haben wir nichts gewusst (2nd edition, 2006) by Peter Longerich, who is of course well-known as Holocaust scholar. The title ("We didn't know anything about that") describes the contents very well (at least as far as I have gotten). It is a very commonly heard response by Germans of a certain age (few of whom are now left) to any mention of the Holocaust. Longerich plans to take apart all the weasel words in this phrase, one at a time, from "Davon" (about that---About WHAT? What is it you can now refer to that you couldn't do earlier?) and "wir" (we---who's "WE"? No one ever says "I".) to "nichts gewusst" (didn't know anything--So you didn't KNOW anything? Didn't you HEAR anything? Didn't you SUSPECT anything?). It's a thick volume, doesn't appear to have been translated into English, even though Longerich could certainly have written it in English, being a professor at Royal Holloway University and founder of its Holocaust studies program. That's undoubtedly because it was aimed directly at a German audience, the one Longerich obviously feels most needs to confront this history. I imagine some of you will have read it, but if no one has, I'll post from time to time on what I'm learning from it.
I don't know that book but it sounds interesting as hell. Longerich is IMO a very important writer on these questions.
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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:26 pm

I keep meaning to give Longerich another chance.... :D
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

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“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:45 pm

You should, for sure. His writing in English at least is duly dry, but he is a very good researcher and his books are thorough, well supported, and have a point of view. He might have a tendency to bury the thrust of his main arguments in detail (or I simply lose the thread due to incompetence) but he does have strong arguments and makes a good case for them.
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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:50 pm

I keep meaning to pick up his biography on Himmler.
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“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:00 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:50 pm
I keep meaning to pick up his biography on Himmler.
If you read that, you've also practically read Holocaust, as he reuses a lot of material from the earlier book for context.

The Unwritten Order, OTOH, is short, to the point, and killer.
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Post by Balmoral95 » Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:52 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
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I keep meaning to give Longerich another chance.... :D
Defo should be read... particularly as the Irving bio is imminently to be published...

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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:58 am

Speaking of Longerich:
Peter Longerich
Hitler: A Biography
Comes out October 1st, 2019.
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
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I keep meaning to pick up his biography on Himmler.
I hope you don't intend on carrying it around with you or reading it for convenience in public, the book is about the size of a toaster and is a big read. :)
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Speaking of Longerich:
Peter Longerich
Hitler: A Biography
Comes out October 1st, 2019.
11 July 2019 on Amazon UK.
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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Post by Goody67 » Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:17 am

I ordered some books a couple of days ago.

Yisrael Gutman:
Fighters Among the Ruins (1988)
Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp (1998)
Resistance: Warsaw Ghetto Uprising (1998)

Thomas Childers:
The Nazi Voter: Social Foundations of Fascism in Germany, 1919-33 (1985)
The Third Reich: A History of Nazi Germany (2018)

Julia Boyd:
Travellers in the Third Reich: The Rise of Fascism Through the Eyes of Everyday People (2018)

Gilad Margalit:
Germany and Its Gypsies: A Post-Auschwitz Ordeal (2012)
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:26 am

Thanks. The first of the Childers books and the book by Boyd would probably make a good trilogy along with what I'm reading now, to get a picture of what Germans were thinking during the Holocaust.
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Upton_O_Goode wrote:
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Thanks. The first of the Childers books and the book by Boyd would probably make a good trilogy along with what I'm reading now, to get a picture of what Germans were thinking during the Holocaust.
If you want to read about what ordinary Germans thought about the rise of the Nazis, the interwar period and during the Holocaust, I recommend you to read:

Ian Kershaw:

Popular Opinion and Political Dissent in the Third Reich: Bavaria 1933-1945 (2002)
Hitler, the Germans, and the Final Solution (2009)

Robert Gellately:

Backing Hitler: Consent And Coercion In Nazi Germany (2002)

Daniel Goldhagen, Hitler's Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust (1997)

Saul Friedlander:

Nazi Germany And The Jews: The Years Of Persecution: 1933-1939: Nazi Germany and the Jews 1933-1939: Years of Persecution, 1933-39 (2007)
Nazi Germany And the Jews: The Years Of Extermination: 1939-1945: Nazi Germany and the Jews 1939-1945 (2008)

Richard J. Evans' trilogy of the Third Reich is also worth reading.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:28 pm

I'd add Starngardt, The German War: A Nation Under Arms, 1939-1945; it is excellent and focused on the wartime experience of German civilians. OTOH I didn't find Goldhagen reliable or helpful, so I'd scratch that one :)
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:44 pm

Upton read Goldhagen (if I remember correctly).

I found Goldhagen useful for his descriptions of death marches and for the eyewitness testimony of the Germans involved. Other than that I agree.
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Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:31 pm

But terrible for German attitudes and wartime thoughts of ordinary Germans, almost relentlessly wrong.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:47 pm

True. It’s why I can’t recommend it. If someone does read it I recommend Browning as a counter.
Question for Groening by a reporter:
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Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:56 pm

And Blatman.
Question for Groening by a reporter:
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:05 pm

I haven't read a thing about our painful topic in 10 days or so, as I have been working on another project every day, all day long. It feels very strange. I have quite a long period where I need to be focusing on this project.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:15 pm

I’m still working on Hitler’s Police Battalions. After this I’m going to take a break and read Hastings’ book on the Vietnam War.
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:22 pm

Goody67 wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:13 am



I hope you don't intend on carrying it around with you or reading it for convenience in public, the book is about the size of a toaster and is a big read. :)
Kindle version.... :D
It’s actually cheaper that way and wwwwaaaaayyyy more convenient to cart around.
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


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Post by Goody67 » Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:35 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:56 pm
And Blatman.
I’m shocked with myself that I had never heard of Daniel Goldman’s “The Death Marches: The Final Phase of Nazi Genocide”. I ordered it a few minutes ago.
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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Post by Goody67 » Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:48 pm

What are the best books comparing Hitler and Stalin or Hitler’s Germany and Stalin’s Russia?

Alan Bullock, Hitler and Stalin: Parallel Lives
Timothy Snyder, Bloodlands: Europe between Hitler and Stalin
Richard Overy, The Dictators: Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia

Any other ones?
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:09 pm

Goody67 wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:35 pm
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:56 pm
And Blatman.
I’m shocked with myself that I had never heard of Daniel Goldman’s “The Death Marches: The Final Phase of Nazi Genocide”. I ordered it a few minutes ago.
Very good book.
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“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Mar 09, 2019 4:22 pm

Agree with Jeffk. It has two parts IIRC, an overview of the camp system and its arrival at the end phase, with the death marches and, then, an extended case study of the Gardelegen death march and massacre. Blatman has interesting phasing, emphasizing the death marches as post-FS.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:38 pm

Anyone ever read this one?
Model Nazi: Arthur Greiser and the Occupation of Western Poland
By Catherine Epstein
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“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:28 pm

Goody67 wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:48 pm
What are the best books comparing Hitler and Stalin or Hitler’s Germany and Stalin’s Russia?

Alan Bullock, Hitler and Stalin: Parallel Lives
Timothy Snyder, Bloodlands: Europe between Hitler and Stalin
Richard Overy, The Dictators: Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia

Any other ones?
I’ve read these three. I don’t remember reading anything else that compares them.
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:21 pm

Goody67 wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:00 pm
Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:26 am
Thanks. The first of the Childers books and the book by Boyd would probably make a good trilogy along with what I'm reading now, to get a picture of what Germans were thinking during the Holocaust.
If you want to read about what ordinary Germans thought about the rise of the Nazis, the interwar period and during the Holocaust, I recommend you to read:

Ian Kershaw:

Popular Opinion and Political Dissent in the Third Reich: Bavaria 1933-1945 (2002)
Hitler, the Germans, and the Final Solution (2009)

Robert Gellately:

Backing Hitler: Consent And Coercion In Nazi Germany (2002)

Daniel Goldhagen, Hitler's Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust (1997)

Saul Friedlander:

Nazi Germany And The Jews: The Years Of Persecution: 1933-1939: Nazi Germany and the Jews 1933-1939: Years of Persecution, 1933-39 (2007)
Nazi Germany And the Jews: The Years Of Extermination: 1939-1945: Nazi Germany and the Jews 1939-1945 (2008)

Richard J. Evans' trilogy of the Third Reich is also worth reading.
Thanks again. Goldhagen I have read. Gellately has quite of bit of stuff in "Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler," which I'm nearly finished reading for the second time. Kershaw, Goldhagen, Gellately, and many others are summarized in the introduction to the Longerich book that I am now reading. Just the list of endnotes on the introduction contains so many books and articles that I'm overwhelmed by the prospect of mastering the subject. Longerich sets himself the daunting task of analyzing the connection between the written records and everyday life. He's especially concerned about the Final Solution period, in which there are many fewer records to rely on. The next-to-last paragraph of his introduction asks the relevant questions:
Peter Longerich wrote: How are we, in the course of this analysis, to take account of the topic that has been central to the discussion up to now: the striking silence of the written record on crucial aspects of the persecution of the Jews, especially the Final Solution? Does this silence actually reflect the "indifference" of the population to the "Jewish policy" of the regime, and how should one interpret such indifference?


His first chapter, which I am now reading, is devoted to the relevant methodological questions.
“It is certainly sad and regrettable that so many innocent people died…Stalin was absolutely adamant on making doubly sure: spare no one…I don’t deny that I supported that view. I was simply not able to study every individual case…It was hard to draw a precise line where to stop.”

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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Post by scrmbldggs » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:33 pm

Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:21 pm
...the Longerich book that I am now reading. Just the list of endnotes on the introduction contains so many books and articles that I'm overwhelmed by the prospect of mastering the subject...
For a breather, occasionally stare into nothingness for a few - pick up the work by a Revisionist. :heh:
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:41 pm

LOL
“Been-there,” done that.
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
:lol: :lol:
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:42 pm

But I suggest something really short, you don’t want to torture yourself too long.
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
:lol: :lol:
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Post by Goody67 » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:45 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:28 pm
I’ve read these three. I don’t remember reading anything else that compares them.
A few more:

Roger Moorhouse, The Devils' Alliance: Hitler's Pact with Stalin, 1939-1941
Anthony Read, Deadly Embrace
Vladimir Tismaneanu, The Devil in History: Communism, Fascism, and Some Lessons of the Twentieth Century
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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:50 pm

Thanks!
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
:lol: :lol:
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:50 pm

I’ll look into adding them.
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
:lol: :lol:
viewtopic.php?f=39&t=31585&p=713843#p713843