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Post by Frank Hoffman » Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:22 pm

Mr. Elie Wiesel's death today (2 July 2016) reminds me I have yet to read his book "Night". It is fortunate for us that noble men do leave a trace as they pass.


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Post by Frank Hoffman » Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:53 pm

Since the subject of movies was brought up, when I did a search on this site for the movie "The Relief Of Belsen", I was very surprised the subject had not yet come up; it is one of the most powerful films I have ever seen. It is about the immediate aftermath of the liberation of Bergen-Belsen (23 days before VE Day). After the British Army arrived, under a local truce 3,000 German and Hungarian soldiers remained under arms; their purpose was to prevent the escape of 40,000 typhus infected prisoners (mostly women). About 600 people a day continued to die. The Commanding Officer, LTC Johnston says; "Our task is to save as many lives as possible as quickly as we can". He had only 20 doctors to do it. For the film, actual BBC reports are used for much of the soundtrack, and interspersed within the dramatization is quite a bit of actual film footage from the period. Understaffed and under-resourced, the pressure on the medical team was intense as starvation and disease increased the daily death toll to 900. Finally 18 days after liberation the daily death toll decreased to 200, but they were still dying because their internal organs had been too damaged for too long. Finally, an attendant reports "in my hut, no one died today", a corner is turned, and something close to normalcy returns. Of the German medical staff which remained at the camp, 32 died of typhus. Personal note: In the 1980's I was stationed with the U.S.Army in northern Germany (Garlstedt), but every time I drove the road past the Bergen-Belsen Camp memorial, I never stopped. If I ever visit Germany again, I will correct that error.

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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Post by RizoliTV » Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:51 pm

Does this mean that I can post link to videos....yehaw....

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Post by scrmbldggs » Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:57 pm

I guess one can spam as much as forum rules allow... but one cannot make others follow links and/or watch the selections. (Hey, that's a word you might find interesting to run through the search here. :mrgreen: )
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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:13 pm

RizoliTV wrote:Does this mean that I can post link to videos....yehaw....

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Oh, great.

Jim, a personal request:
Please no videos with you imitating rabbis.
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Post by scrmbldggs » Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:40 pm

Good lard. Is he gonna dress up like this?

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Oh, rabbis....
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scrmbldggs wrote:Oh, rabbis....

:lol:

You know, for second I thought I typed "rabbits."
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:lol:
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RizoliTV wrote:Does this mean that I can post link to videos....yehaw....

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RizoliTV wrote:Does this mean that I can post link to videos....yehaw....

JR
Oh, another request:

Leave out the obnoxious videos where you play a Holocaust survivor.
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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
RizoliTV wrote:Does this mean that I can post link to videos....yehaw....

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Oh, another request:

Leave.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:28 pm

Jeff_36 wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
RizoliTV wrote:Does this mean that I can post link to videos....yehaw....

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Oh, another request:

Leave.
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He won't leave. But, on the bright side, he's really an easy target.
I've never met a denier who knows as little as Jim does about the history he is trying to debunk.
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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:31 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:Good lard. Is he gonna dress up like this?

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You know, now I can't get the picture of Jim dressed up like the Easter Bunny out of my head.

:lol:
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Post by scrmbldggs » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:53 pm

:-P
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Post by Jeff_36 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:55 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Jeff_36 wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
RizoliTV wrote:Does this mean that I can post link to videos....yehaw....

JR
Oh, another request:

Leave.
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He won't leave. But, on the bright side, he's really an easy target.
I've never met a denier who knows as little as Jim does about the history he is trying to debunk.
Diane is stupider, which is quite the accomplishment.

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Jeff_36 wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Jeff_36 wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
RizoliTV wrote:Does this mean that I can post link to videos....yehaw....

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Oh, another request:

Leave.
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He won't leave. But, on the bright side, he's really an easy target.
I've never met a denier who knows as little as Jim does about the history he is trying to debunk.
Diane is stupider, which is quite the accomplishment.
Diane is just Jim's mouthpiece.
“They say..that in Slonim they gathered in the town square 14,000 people...and all were machine-gunned. I ask you, is it possible to believe such a thing?...How can the world remain silent? It is probably not true.”
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Which sort of proves the point...
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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Jeff_36 wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
RizoliTV wrote:Does this mean that I can post link to videos....yehaw....

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Oh, another request:

Leave.
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He won't leave. But, on the bright side, he's really an easy target.
I've never met a denier who knows as little as Jim does about the history he is trying to debunk.

You never have met a denier that has done as many videos as me and has gotten the Wrath of the Jews as me so I must be doing my job right I'm exposing the Holohuxsters for what they are so I think I should get some credit for that don't you think.

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RizoliTV wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Jeff_36 wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
RizoliTV wrote:Does this mean that I can post link to videos....yehaw....

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Oh, another request:

Leave.
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He won't leave. But, on the bright side, he's really an easy target.
I've never met a denier who knows as little as Jim does about the history he is trying to debunk.

You never have met a denier that has done as many videos as me and has gotten the Wrath of the Jews as me so I must be doing my job right I'm exposing the Holohuxsters for what they are so I think I should get some credit for that don't you think.

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Jim, doing a bunch of videos is not the same as knowing the subject matter. You really don't.
As for any Jews you irritate, I understand why. You dress up like rabbis or Holocaust survivors and mock what happened. You don't get credit for making offensive videos. You are not "exposing" anything.
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Erm, yes he is... :nuts:
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scrmbldggs wrote:Erm, yes he is... :nuts:
LOL
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scrmbldggs wrote:Good lard. Is he gonna dress up like this?

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:? Just seeing this image connected with Jim doesn't seem right... Both rabbits have a Brain. Jim doesn't.
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When it comes to the Holocaust (HoloHoax) to me there are many books to read and I have mentioned some good ones. That I'm sure the HoloHuxster Skeptoids here have refused to read.
But if you want to go back to the beginning when the HoloHoax tale wasn't tampered with by the HoloHuxsters plagiarizing each other ad naseum....try reading Paul Rassinier's book Debunking The Genocide Myth which was written before his death in 1967, book was published in 1978. So the Sixties and before was a good time for the real truth to come out... After the 70's the HoloHoax tale starts to get clouded with the lies that we have been taught today.

About Paul....
Paul Rassinier was a an internee in the German Dora camp a subcamp near Buchenwald where he actually witnessed what was really going on in the camps. Link to pdf of the book is here.
http://vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres/debunk.pdf

So if you really want to get the other side of the story the story that the HoloHuxsters have keep hidden from the world for all these years check it out.
It's not like all the other stories that seem to copy each other and try to best themselves out for the Horror HoloHoax award given by the Official Jewish Version HoloHuxsters every year when some new book comes out with something that contradicts all the other books because the story has to change when the old one is exposed as a lie.
Actually it's hard to keep up with the lies.....so you might just read this book first.


Snipit of some good reading.....

http://ihr.org/books/rassinier/debunking.html
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Some good points here in Preface of Germars Book.....

Dissecting the Holocaust by Germar Rudolf
Long but worth the read........

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n4p14_Faurisson.html
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Re: Debunking The Genocide Myth

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Jul 23, 2016 1:21 am

RizoliTV wrote:When it comes to the Holocaust (HoloHoax) to me there are many books to read and I have mentioned some good ones. That I'm sure the HoloHuxster Skeptoids here have refused to read.
But if you want to go back to the beginning when the HoloHoax tale wasn't tampered with by the HoloHuxsters plagiarizing each other ad naseum....try reading Paul Rassinier's book Debunking The Genocide Myth which was written before his death in 1967, book was published in 1978. So the Sixties and before was a good time for the real truth to come out... After the 70's the HoloHoax tale starts to get clouded with the lies that we have been taught today.

About Paul....
Paul Rassinier was a an internee in the German Dora camp a subcamp near Buchenwald where he actually witnessed what was really going on in the camps. Link to pdf of the book is here.
http://vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres/debunk.pdf

So if you really want to get the other side of the story the story that the HoloHuxsters have keep hidden from the world for all these years check it out.
It's not like all the other stories that seem to copy each other and try to best themselves out for the Horror HoloHoax award given by the Official Jewish Version HoloHuxsters every year when some new book comes out with something that contradicts all the other books because the story has to change when the old one is exposed as a lie.
Actually it's hard to keep up with the lies.....so you might just read this book first.


Snipit of some good reading.....
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n4p14_Faurisson.html
There was no gas chamber at Dora or Buchenwald so Rassnier's skepticism of gas chambers is useless.

It is interesting that two of the biggest deniers were prisoners at German concentration camps.
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RizoliTV wrote:Some good points here in Preface of Germars Book.....

Dissecting the Holocaust by Germar Rudolf
Long but worth the read........

Preface*

ROBERT FAURISSON
I stopped reading after that.

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Hhhhhhhmmmmm, was I mistaken? For some reason I thought Faurrison was imprisoned by the Nazis during the war.

Now I can't find any information on it.........was I wrong? Is there another denier besides Rassnier that was in a concentration camp?
Anybody know?
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Jeffk 1970 wrote:Hhhhhhhmmmmm, was I mistaken? For some reason I thought Faurrison was imprisoned by the Nazis during the war.

Now I can't find any information on it.........was I wrong? Is there another denier besides Rassnier that was in a concentration camp?
Anybody know?
Rassinger was the only one. I am no psychologist but Stockholm syndrome may apply here.

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Jeff_36 wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:Hhhhhhhmmmmm, was I mistaken? For some reason I thought Faurrison was imprisoned by the Nazis during the war.

Now I can't find any information on it.........was I wrong? Is there another denier besides Rassnier that was in a concentration camp?
Anybody know?
Rassinger was the only one. I am no psychologist but Stockholm syndrome may apply here.
I think so as well.
It is strange, the Germans tortured him so badly it shortened his life.
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Yes, he was treated and beaten terribly, but from what I gather, he wasn't a Jew and didn't share or witness their plight as a political prisoner? And actually, his injuries might have spared him from some nasty stuff...

From his Wikipedia page:
...Rassinier was then deported to Germany, enduring a three-day rail transport that ended on 30 January 1944 at Buchenwald concentration camp. After three weeks in quarantine, he became prisoner number 44364 and was transported to Dora, where V1 and V2 rockets were built in underground tunnels. Work conditions were terrible. Hunger, disease, overwork, exhaustion and physical abuse by the S.S. and the corrupt mafia of the Häftlingsführung (camp lower administration made of prisoners themselves; see "Prisoner functionary") resulted in a catastrophic death rate.

In his first book Crossing the Line, he says several factors contributed to his survival. Beginning in April 1944, his wife mailed him food parcels, though this stopped in November. His friendship with his Block Chief resulted in his parcel being delivered directly to him without first being plundered by the prisoner government. For a time, he landed a cushy job in "Schwung" (a position somewhere between orderly and manservant) to the S.S. Oberscharführer commanding the guard dog company, and got the opportunity to observe the S.S. at close range. Also, partly as a result of his interrogation, he came down with nephritis, and spent no less than two hundred and fifty days of his imprisonment in the Revier (infirmary).

On 7 April 1945 he was evacuated from Dora on what became a death train, endlessly traveling the German rail network from one bombed-out destination to another, with no food, water, or shelter. After several days, as the train rounded a bend and in spite of his terrible physical condition, he jumped off and thanks to the angle, escaped the S.S. gunfire. American soldiers rescued him the next day...
And I'd bet that if it's ever mentioned, deniers would praise Rassinier's attitude (about nonviolent resistance) "...his fear that reprisals would fall on innocent people. Rassinier, using an expression common at the time, did not feel comfortable "to play with the skin of others" and simultaneously deride Jews/Jewish inmates for not resisting and/or fighting back when they didn't do that for the exact same reason - knowing others would be suffering horribly for their actions.

What also could be puzzling - if it wasn't for deniers in the cherry orchard - is their rather strange admiration for him even when that resistance^ was against Nazi Germany and his later thinking also wasn't to absolve them but: "He was also appalled at the unilateral condemnation of Nazi Germany for crimes against humanity that from his experience in Morocco, he did not consider unique..."
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Jul 30, 2016 4:36 am

I think deniers would also focus on the fact that as sick/injured he was, he was never "selected" for execution.
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Jeffk 1970 wrote:I think deniers would also focus on the fact that as sick/injured he was, he was never "selected" for execution.
Right, and "forget" he wasn't one of those deemed violent and dangerous and also had "friends in high places" while imprisoned in 1944...
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Post by scrmbldggs » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:11 am

... his wife and child were held but then released a few days later it seems.

Quite a contrast to Jews and even someone like a German prisoner, Werner Krumme*, who spoke of having been declared unfit for service because his wife was Jewish, both being imprisoned and she then undergoing "Sonderbehandlung" in Auschwitz...

* Witness in Frankfurt Auschwitz-Prozess, 1964/1965
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Post by Denying-History » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:26 am

scrmbldggs wrote:Yes, he was treated and beaten terribly, but from what I gather, he wasn't a Jew and didn't share or witness their plight as a political prisoner? And actually, his injuries might have spared him from some nasty stuff...
He was a resistance fighter whom was taken into Buchenwald. He personally was offended by survivors inconsistencies about such things like Gas chambers at Buchenwald and started believing that witnesses were deliberately lying.
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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Post by scrmbldggs » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:43 am

Denying-History wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:Yes, he was treated and beaten terribly, but from what I gather, he wasn't a Jew and didn't share or witness their plight as a political prisoner? And actually, his injuries might have spared him from some nasty stuff...
He was a resistance fighter whom was taken into Buchenwald. He personally was offended by survivors inconsistencies about such things like Gas chambers at Buchenwald and started believing that witnesses were deliberately lying.
I get that. Lots of stuff floating around after all that secrecy and much hearsay, others simply mixed up stuff...

Btw, apparently his stay at Buchenwald consisted of three weeks in quarantine before being shipped off to Mittelbau-Dora.
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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Post by Denying-History » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:56 am

scrmbldggs wrote:
Denying-History wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:Yes, he was treated and beaten terribly, but from what I gather, he wasn't a Jew and didn't share or witness their plight as a political prisoner? And actually, his injuries might have spared him from some nasty stuff...
He was a resistance fighter whom was taken into Buchenwald. He personally was offended by survivors inconsistencies about such things like Gas chambers at Buchenwald and started believing that witnesses were deliberately lying.
I get that. Lots of stuff floating around after all that secrecy and much hearsay, others simply mixed up stuff...

Btw, apparently his stay at Buchenwald consisted of three weeks in quarantine before being shipped off to Mittelbau-Dora.
Wow. That would make him 1 in a million... Most people didn't survive Mittelbau-Dora... I wonder if he was one of the survivors whom was lucky enough to not be trapped in the cave system. All the witnesses I have heard from that were in that camp describe mining with out picks.

Well... That is dependent on how long he worked there.
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« The Terror here is a horrifying fact. There is a fear that reaches down and haunts all sections of the community. No household, however humble, apparently but what lives in constant fear of nocturnal raid by the secret police. . .This particular purge is undoubtedly political. . . It is deliberately projected by the party leaders, who themselves regretted the necessity for it. »
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