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Re: Monstrous on the Einsatzgruppen

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:16 pm

Hans Metzner on Mattogno's disingenuous treatment of German sources for gas vans: "Mattogno, his Einsatzgruppen book and the Gas Vans. Part IV: The 'Enormous Contradiction' That Is None"
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Re: Monstrous on the Einsatzgruppen

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:02 pm

Hans' Part V is one of his best dissections of Il Re di Convoluzione - and one of his most fun reads: "Mattogno, his Einsatzgruppen book and the Gas Vans. Part V: Nazi Foreign Office Documents vs. Holocaust Denial".

I don't know what to say. At Codoh, they are still avoiding HC's criticisms - and Mattogno's compendium of errors and nonsense. I've given up on the Rodoh "discussion" as it became typically circular and then meandered, anything to avoid the point. Is Werd still struggling to convince himself that Mattogno's problem is nothing more than a few typos and factual gaffes rather than a misconceived argument and shoddy research in its service?
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Re: Monstrous on the Einsatzgruppen

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:33 pm

Poor Mattogno!

Hans strikes again: "Mattogno, his Einsatzgruppen book and the Gas Vans. Part VI: Gas Van Arithmetic".

Has anyone checked recently to see if Werd is still struggling with all this? Last I recall he was attempting to restate Hans' arguments but garbling them to the point of indecipherability. Werd wants the problem to be Mattogno's typos and small errors of fact, rather than the real situation: a dishonest and flawed argument bolstered by poor research. The jokesters are most likely still joking, eh?
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Re: Monstrous on the Einsatzgruppen

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:01 pm

I decided to take a look at Werd's EG thread at Rodoh. Oh my. Poor chap. Anyway, I'm glad I looked in, as Hans has been trying to explain that, in the words of DabbingIsSoMuchFun, "The whole book is an error unto itself."

. . . worth a quick read.
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Re: Monstrous on the Einsatzgruppen

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:01 pm

Werd keeps trying to minimize the gross inadequacy and dishonesty of Mattogno's "scholarship" by pretending that his work has some errors, which Hans and HC have fortunately caught. He thanks Hans, even as Hans slaps down Mattogno's and Werd's absurdities.

But Werd tries excusing the latest Mattogno failure, and his own, writing, "obviously I don't agree with HC on Auschwitz and the AR camps, but the eastern campaign, this is very new territory not only for me, but even for mainstream holocaust research. Even Rudolf once said in an email that it was largely uncharted territory . . ."

Say wot?

Trolljerkoff, FWIW, buys this nonsense and takes some creative license attempting to defend the Nazis in the East: "Thank you Werd, it is new territory. I am getting the impression that the issues with Eastern Camps were the predominence of Ukrainian guards: there is a strong correlation. It is this uncertainty that predominates the holocaust. This is further confused with previous pogroms in the area, the integration of Baltic cops from all over the place, the Jewish bolshevik aspirations as well as the Soviet Deviousness. The events were a huge mixture of horror, it was to easy to blame the Germans in this context."

The Rodoh thread is truly weird. We're just now learning about the Germans' campaign in the East and Nazi atrocities and extermination actions there. People are saying. In all seriousness.

OTOH I have in my files a truly mind-boggling bibliography with between 400 and 500 titles of studies of these issues, some titles from the immediate postwar period, many from the 1990s, 100s from 2000-2009. Mattogno is aware of a fraction of these studies, Werd and Trolljerkoff apparently even fewer. Ah, our buffoonish self-appointed experts and critics, a laugh a minute with them.
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Re: Monstrous on the Einsatzgruppen

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:40 pm

. . . Werd's latest post assumes that Hans is there to help Werd take a handful of Mattogno's most glaring errors of fact to Rudolf and thus clean up miscues in Mattogno's Einsatzgruppen book . . . lipstick on a pig?
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Re: Monstrous on the Einsatzgruppen

Post by Balmoral95 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:35 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:40 pm
. . . Werd's latest post assumes that Hans is there to help Werd take a handful of Mattogno's most glaring errors of fact to Rudolf and thus clean up miscues in Mattogno's Einsatzgruppen book . . . lipstick on a pig?
Definitely lipstick on a pig.... the errors are only the tip of the iceberg as to what's wrong about the book...

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Re: Monstrous on the Einsatzgruppen

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:33 pm

Hans to Werd:
Tell Rudi that I only take cash for my proof-reading :lol:

I predict that Mattogno won't get his head out of this rope. Some sloppy errors can be fixed, but others are too substantial and fundamental that there is no way that he will be able to keep up his strict denial (without producing the next round of fallacies), plus the massive loss of credibility. And the chapter on gas vans is still long and I have a long breath, so...
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Re: Monstrous on the Einsatzgruppen

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:09 am

Hans on Semantics
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Re: Monstrous on the Einsatzgruppen

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:38 am

Also, Donald Trump is a clownfraud who only got involved in this for the attention.

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Re: Monstrous on the Einsatzgruppen

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:54 am

Mattogno caught the same thing that has long ailed Scott Smith, namely, an obsession with producer gas and a belief in the magic that this obsession will work: Hans discusses the various aspects of this odd belief in another installment of his critique of Mattogno's Einsatzgruppen opus. (one of Hans' best of many gems; I assume Hans still posts at Rodoh and will stuff this down their throats)
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Re: Monstrous on the Einsatzgruppen

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:56 am

LOL we cross-posted . . . seems we read the thing at just the same time but I got a little wordy in my link :)
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Re: Monstrous on the Einsatzgruppen

Post by Balmoral95 » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:23 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:54 am
Mattogno caught the same thing that has long ailed Scott Smith, namely, an obsession with producer gas and a belief in the magic that this obsession will work: Hans discusses the various aspects of this odd belief in another installment of his critique of Mattogno's Einsatzgruppen opus. (one of Hans' best of many gems; I assume Hans still posts at Rodoh and will stuff this down their throats)
Smith bought that tripe from Berg.... Credit where credit is due :lol:

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Re: Monstrous on the Einsatzgruppen

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:38 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:54 am
Mattogno caught the same thing that has long ailed Scott Smith, namely, an obsession with producer gas and a belief in the magic that this obsession will work: Hans discusses the various aspects of this odd belief in another installment of his critique of Mattogno's Einsatzgruppen opus. (one of Hans' best of many gems; I assume Hans still posts at Rodoh and will stuff this down their throats)
:)
https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 9&start=60

Seriously, he does need some compensation, holy crap...

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Re: Errors in Mattogno's English Einsatzgruppen book & CODOH censorship
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Tell Rudi that I only take cash for my proof-reading :lol:

I predict that Mattogno won't get his head out of this rope. Some sloppy errors can be fixed, but others are too substantial and fundamental that there is no way that he will be able to keep up his strict denial (without producing the next round of fallacies), plus the massive loss of credibility. And the chapter on gas vans is still long and I have a long breath, so...
Also, Donald Trump is a clownfraud who only got involved in this for the attention.

Deadspin, 2014:
https://deadspin.com/there-are-just-two ... 1613879544

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Re: Monstrous on the Einsatzgruppen

Post by Balmoral95 » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:48 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:38 am
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:54 am
Mattogno caught the same thing that has long ailed Scott Smith, namely, an obsession with producer gas and a belief in the magic that this obsession will work: Hans discusses the various aspects of this odd belief in another installment of his critique of Mattogno's Einsatzgruppen opus. (one of Hans' best of many gems; I assume Hans still posts at Rodoh and will stuff this down their throats)
:)
https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 9&start=60

Seriously, he does need some compensation, holy crap...

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Tell Rudi that I only take cash for my proof-reading :lol:

I predict that Mattogno won't get his head out of this rope. Some sloppy errors can be fixed, but others are too substantial and fundamental that there is no way that he will be able to keep up his strict denial (without producing the next round of fallacies), plus the massive loss of credibility. And the chapter on gas vans is still long and I have a long breath, so...
It's fatal to his efforts.... He's done....

Even had it been a reasonable effort, who the hell did he imagine was gonna read it... I see Castle Hill is willing to sell a copy for $60.00 + s&h..... :roll:

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Re: Monstrous on the Einsatzgruppen

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:10 am

Balmoral95 wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:48 am
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:38 am
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:54 am
Mattogno caught the same thing that has long ailed Scott Smith, namely, an obsession with producer gas and a belief in the magic that this obsession will work: Hans discusses the various aspects of this odd belief in another installment of his critique of Mattogno's Einsatzgruppen opus. (one of Hans' best of many gems; I assume Hans still posts at Rodoh and will stuff this down their throats)
:)
https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 9&start=60

Seriously, he does need some compensation, holy crap...

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Tell Rudi that I only take cash for my proof-reading :lol:

I predict that Mattogno won't get his head out of this rope. Some sloppy errors can be fixed, but others are too substantial and fundamental that there is no way that he will be able to keep up his strict denial (without producing the next round of fallacies), plus the massive loss of credibility. And the chapter on gas vans is still long and I have a long breath, so...
It's fatal to his efforts.... He's done....

Even had it been a reasonable effort, who the hell did he imagine was gonna read it... I see Castle Hill is willing to sell a copy for $60.00 + s&h..... :roll:
Someone sent me a copy for free. If you want to read it I can track it down for you.

:D
Also, Donald Trump is a clownfraud who only got involved in this for the attention.

Deadspin, 2014:
https://deadspin.com/there-are-just-two ... 1613879544

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Re: Monstrous on the Einsatzgruppen

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:48 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:10 am
Balmoral95 wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:48 am
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:38 am
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:54 am
Mattogno caught the same thing that has long ailed Scott Smith, namely, an obsession with producer gas and a belief in the magic that this obsession will work: Hans discusses the various aspects of this odd belief in another installment of his critique of Mattogno's Einsatzgruppen opus. (one of Hans' best of many gems; I assume Hans still posts at Rodoh and will stuff this down their throats)
:)
https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 9&start=60

Seriously, he does need some compensation, holy crap...

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Tell Rudi that I only take cash for my proof-reading :lol:

I predict that Mattogno won't get his head out of this rope. Some sloppy errors can be fixed, but others are too substantial and fundamental that there is no way that he will be able to keep up his strict denial (without producing the next round of fallacies), plus the massive loss of credibility. And the chapter on gas vans is still long and I have a long breath, so...
It's fatal to his efforts.... He's done....

Even had it been a reasonable effort, who the hell did he imagine was gonna read it... I see Castle Hill is willing to sell a copy for $60.00 + s&h..... :roll:
Someone sent me a copy for free. If you want to read it I can track it down for you.

:D
Balmoral IIRC has suffered through the massive thing and judged it previously: viewtopic.php?f=39&t=25822&start=1680#p697132
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Re: Monstrous on the Einsatzgruppen

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:55 pm

LOL, yeah, I realize now I double posted some things.
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Re: Monstrous on the Einsatzgruppen

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:03 pm

We need a chorus of violins playing pitiful music to honor Balmoral's hard sacrifice :)
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