Prophecies in the Bible

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Prophecies in the Bible

Post by Krauq » Fri May 31, 2013 6:25 am

This creationist told me that there are prophecies in the Bible that have been fulfilled. Is this true?

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Post by Aztexan » Fri May 31, 2013 6:57 am

Dude, get new friends. That guy or gal is an idiot.
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Post by Major Malfunction » Fri May 31, 2013 8:37 am

Christ did come back, and took all the faithful before the last of his generation.

We're all the leftovers.
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Post by nmblum88 » Fri May 31, 2013 8:58 am

Major Malfunction wrote:Christ did come back, and took all the faithful before the last of his generation.

We're all the leftovers.



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Post by Major Malfunction » Fri May 31, 2013 9:15 am

He took all the pineapple and left the anchovies.
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Re: Prophecies in the Bible

Post by OutOfBreath » Fri May 31, 2013 1:15 pm

Krauq wrote:This creationist told me that there are prophecies in the Bible that have been fulfilled. Is this true?


Well, given that they're all pretty vague and open to serious amounts of interpretations, you can always (very arguably) claim that this or that has come to pass. that's how Nostradamus' stuff "works" if you want it to as well.

However passages like "there will be rumours of war", "the enemy in the east" etc. are so blanket statements devoid of specifics, it can't avoid to fit something at some time. (when in history has there been no rumour of war) Otherwise they fall neatly into the categories of self-fullfilling prophecies (belief in them allows them to happen), vague allusions and completely unverifiable statements. Need it be mentioned that several of them reads like the fevered dreams of schizophrenics, or they are generally motivated by wishful thinking (the empire currently ruling us will surely fall and our righteous rule resumed).

Ask for a specific example, and I'll shoot it down for you.

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Re: Prophecies in the Bible

Post by Monster » Fri May 31, 2013 2:29 pm

Krauq wrote:This creationist told me that there are prophecies in the Bible that have been fulfilled. Is this true?

Yes it's true! The reason why it's true is because the Bible is so open to interpretation. Different people can take the same prophecy and say it has been fulfilled in a myriad of different ways.
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Re: Prophecies in the Bible

Post by Austin Harper » Fri May 31, 2013 3:00 pm

Yeah, some prophecies came true.

But there are also all of those pesky prophecies that didn't come true. And the ones that came true but only because the prophecy was written after the event it describes.
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Post by Daedalus » Fri May 31, 2013 7:20 pm

Apt...

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Re: Prophecies in the Bible

Post by Gord » Sat Jun 01, 2013 7:53 am

When William the Conqueror set sail to invade England, he took with him some 700 ships. It's said only two were lost in the crossing, and on one of them was his army's soothsayer. "It's no great loss," said William, "he couldn't even predict his own fate."
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Re: Prophecies in the Bible

Post by fromthehills » Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:27 am

Major Malfunction wrote:He took all the pineapple and left the anchovies.



Thank God.

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Post by 1OvergroundMan » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:01 pm

It's pretty easy to fulfill prophecies when you look to previously given "predictions" and fabricate stories, often conflicting, contradictory, and confusing stories, to fulfill those predictions. Disseminate this information in a primitive culture with an incredibly superstitious people who stone each other to death for sorcery and you have a winning formula. Two thousand years later, intelligent people will read your elegant fabrication as divine foreknowledge. This was the vocation of the authors of the New Testament.
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Re: Prophecies in the Bible

Post by busterggi » Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:25 pm

Major Malfunction wrote:He took all the pineapple and left the anchovies.


Is that what certain people keep seeing in San Francisco Bay?

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Re: Prophecies in the Bible

Post by scienceisgreat » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:01 pm

The prophecy claims sometimes mentioned by Christians are baloney. They are just interpreting events that seem like they might fit with Bible predictions to be fulfillments of prophesy without justification.

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Re: Prophecies in the Bible

Post by Gord » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:05 pm

scienceisgreat wrote:The prophecy claims sometimes mentioned by Christians are baloney. They are just interpreting events that seem like they might fit with Bible predictions to be fulfillments of prophesy without justification.

I would like to agree with this, but I don't know the claims they make so I honestly don't know how they work it out.

Does anyone have a list of the prophecy claims in question?
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:38 am

Drive-by poster? I think he didn't like the answers he was getting. The ones he expected to get were probably much better.
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Post by Gord » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:08 pm

Ohhhhh, that kind of "prophecy". Okay, I get it now.
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Re: Prophecies in the Bible

Post by OlegTheBatty » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:13 pm

SAB wrote:God promises to make Isaac's descendents as numerous as "the stars of heaven"

You need to read them the right way.

Since heaven does not exist, the number of stars there = 0. God is promising to exterminate them. Why has no one seen this before? :mrgreen:
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Re: Prophecies in the Bible

Post by Gord » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:25 pm

OlegTheBatty wrote:
SAB wrote:God promises to make Isaac's descendents as numerous as "the stars of heaven"

Who the hell is "SAB"?
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Post by Gord » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:46 pm

Oh, him.

Well for {!#%@}'s sakes, people! Abbreviations are supposed to save time, not make me do work!
"Knowledge grows through infinite timelessness" -- the random fictional Deepak Chopra quote site
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Post by Poodle » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:50 pm

Gord wrote:Oh, him.

Well for {!#%@}'s sakes, people! Abbreviations are supposed to save time, not make me do work!


FFS! I agree.

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Gord wrote:Oh, him.

Well for {!#%@}'s sakes, people! Abbreviations are supposed to save time, not make me do work!

Sorry, my bad. Since you thanked Austin in post #17, I naturally assumed you had read it. :mrgreen:
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Jul 06, 2013 5:07 am

Gord wrote: Who the hell is "SAB"?
I was posting on the Skeptic's Annotated Bible forum back in 2006, before joining here. It was very interesting as it attracted quite a few fundamental Christians and anti-evolutionists. It was from reading their posts that I gained experience in deception, edited quotes and cherry picking. Sadly the forum has sort of closed.

Here was one of the main loonies from that forum that followed me here with his biblical prophecy. David Ben Ariel ( departed this world from AIDS in 2010)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr6VUPdXbqQ

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Post by Gord » Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:30 am

OlegTheBatty wrote:
Gord wrote:Oh, him.

Well for {!#%@}'s sakes, people! Abbreviations are supposed to save time, not make me do work!

Sorry, my bad. Since you thanked Austin in post #17, I naturally assumed you had read it. :mrgreen:

Just because I read something is no reason to think I know its name. For instance, any of the books I've ever read in my entire life. Titles? Authors? I don't know; those things are irrelevant to the books, as far as I can tell!

Matthew Ellard wrote:I was posting on the Skeptic's Annotated Bible forum back in 2006, before joining here. It was very interesting as it attracted quite a few fundamental Christians and anti-evolutionists. It was from reading their posts that I gained experience in deception, edited quotes and cherry picking. Sadly the forum has sort of closed.

Here was one of the main loonies from that forum that followed me here with his biblical prophecy. David Ben Ariel ( departed this world from AIDS in 2010)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr6VUPdXbqQ

Yes, I remember posting something rude in his death notice thread here. At least, I meant it to be rude. I may have been too polite to get my point across, though. I'll have to go back and check it out sometime.

Edit: Yeah, there it is. I did my best at the time. viewtopic.php?p=232561#p232561
"Knowledge grows through infinite timelessness" -- the random fictional Deepak Chopra quote site
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