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Post by ryu289 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:35 am

https://donotlink.it/R6mA
The link above is the link to the text of the book in Russian, called “The Teaching of Michurin and Religion.” (published 1955) In a nutshell it says, that the theory of Darwin is very progressive,and materialistic, but has some drawbacks, which were corrected by a Soviet Darwinist Michurin, who was the only true Darwinist becase he used the works of Marx, Lenin and Stalin as the basis for his scientific research. Stalin was not against the theory of Darwin, he was against genetics, and the book which was published only 2 years after his death, says that those scienists who belived in genetics, were not really Darwinists, and only Michurin, Lisenko and some others were true “creative Darwinists”. Vox is absolutely correct, Stalin wasn’t against Darwin, the theory of Darwin was very important for the development of historic materialism, which was the basis for marxism-leninism. After Stalin’s death, they just proclaimed that he was wrong about genetics, that it was perfectly compatible with theory of Darwin, and went on teaching it at schools.
Let’s see: https://translate.googleusercontent.com ... 1DfowkmKRA
This installation is a milestone in the history of biological sciences: following it, Ivan Vladimirovich Michurin, the great Soviet scientist and innovator, initiated the transformation of biological science, created the basis for the transformation of Darwinism into a creative theory of the development of living nature. Darwin first put biological science on a completely scientific basis, proving the fact of the historicity of living nature and materialistically explaining the expediency of organisms. It is for this greatest contribution to the natural science of the classics of Marxism-Leninism that Darwin's works were highly appreciated. At the same time, Darwin's theory, being connected with the ideology of the capitalist system, bore not only the burden of erroneous provisions, such as the notorious Malthusianism, but also general methodological limitations. The classics of Marxism-Leninism pointed to this limited understanding of development in Darwin’s theory and the need to further modify it
So they modified Dawkins therories. And as we know, it failed
This chapter of the book is called The role of Darwin’s theory in the struggle of science against religion.
The link here is broken
The link above is to a part of the document from 1948, when Stalin was yet alive, I think it’s a transcript of the session of the Russian Scientific Academy, which calls Lisenko the scientist who is developing the theory of Darwin and Michurin. Once again, Vox is absolutely right. Stalin was against Mendel and Morgan, but NOT against Darwin. And he considered Lisenko and Michurin the true Darwinists.
Oh? https://translate.googleusercontent.com ... BkXAZj9VLw

Oh look your link doesn’t say that.
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Doesn’t look like it

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:48 am

ryu289 wrote: So they modified Dawkins therories. And as we know, it failed
Dawkins isn't mentioned.

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Post by landrew » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:20 am

Science + ideology = non-science.
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Post by Gord » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:53 pm

ryu289 wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:35 am
...In a nutshell it says, that the theory of Darwin is very progressive,and materialistic, but has some drawbacks, which were corrected by a Soviet Darwinist Michurin, who was the only true Darwinist becase he used the works of Marx, Lenin and Stalin as the basis for his scientific research....
Using Marx, Lenin and Stalin is not a good basis for scientific research into biology.
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Post by Gord » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:54 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:48 am
ryu289 wrote: So they modified Dawkins therories. And as we know, it failed
Dawkins isn't mentioned.
He meant "Darwin's".
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Re: Vox Day Quote Minimg

Post by ryu289 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:10 pm

Yeah i did. Damn autocorrect.

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:58 am

Gord wrote: He meant "Darwin's".
I knew that. RYU238 was a regular poster in the Anti-holocaust denial sub forum. He would go to the most pro-Nazi web sites and then copy and paste that propaganda here. He would then ask questions using all the wrongs names. The forum members told him to go away. He's decided to come back and do it again. :D