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An experiment that would determine whether the brain is a receiver or not

Post by Omniverse » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:26 pm

Materialists claim that the brain produces consciousness and that, once the brain dies, we are gone for good. But there is another model of the brain which says that our brains are receivers and that this model makes life after death a possibility. This model is presented by Stuart Hameroff. Now, here is an experiment that could be performed which would determine whether Stuart's model was the correct one or if the materialistic model was the right model. When a radio plays a song, you can determine whether it is the radio itself producing the music or if the radio is receiving the signal. If you were to block out the reception, you would notice the radio no longer plays the music anymore. This experiment shows that the radio is receiving signals. The same experiment would have to be performed when it comes to our brains.

If we can somehow find a way to block out the signal that is being received by the brain and people lose consciousness as a result, then this would show that Stuart's model was the right model all along. But if people are still conscious, then this would show that the materialistic model was the right model. Stuart talks about how this receiver model of the brain works and what it is exactly that the brain picks up on and transforms into consciousness. So, if we can somehow find a way to block that out and people start losing consciousness, then this would indicate that the materialistic model of the brain was false. Perhaps it would require highly advanced technology in the future to do so. Therefore, maybe this is an experiment that cannot be performed at this time.

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Re: An experiment that would determine whether the brain is a receiver or not

Post by mirror93 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:31 pm

People still using this radio analogy for consciousness ? :scratch:
What is the premise that even validates the use of this analogy?
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Post by Poodle » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:41 pm

Omniverse wrote:... If we can somehow find a way to block out the signal that is being received by the brain and people lose consciousness as a result, then this would show that Stuart's model was the right model all along. But if people are still conscious, then this would show that the materialistic model was the right model. Stuart talks about how this receiver model of the brain works and what it is exactly that the brain picks up on and transforms into consciousness. So, if we can somehow find a way to block that out and people start losing consciousness, then this would indicate that the materialistic model of the brain was false. Perhaps it would require highly advanced technology in the future to do so. Therefore, maybe this is an experiment that cannot be performed at this time.
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Re: An experiment that would determine whether the brain is a receiver or not

Post by Poodle » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:43 pm

Yeppers. The medium is, obviously, air. Block off the air supply to the test subject and, if they lose consciousness ... well - there's yer proof, right there.

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Post by Omniverse » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:46 pm

Poodle wrote:Yeppers. The medium is, obviously, air. Block off the air supply to the test subject and, if they lose consciousness ... well - there's yer proof, right there.
It's not air that the brain receives to create consciousness, according to the model that Stuart Hameroff presents. Yes, the brain does require oxygen, but I am talking about something different here.

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Post by Poodle » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:01 pm

Omniverse wrote:
Poodle wrote:Yeppers. The medium is, obviously, air. Block off the air supply to the test subject and, if they lose consciousness ... well - there's yer proof, right there.
It's not air that the brain receives to create consciousness, according to the model that Stuart Hameroff presents. Yes, the brain does require oxygen, but I am talking about something different here.
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Re: An experiment that would determine whether the brain is a receiver or not

Post by Omniverse » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:05 pm

Poodle wrote:
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Poodle wrote:Yeppers. The medium is, obviously, air. Block off the air supply to the test subject and, if they lose consciousness ... well - there's yer proof, right there.
It's not air that the brain receives to create consciousness, according to the model that Stuart Hameroff presents. Yes, the brain does require oxygen, but I am talking about something different here.
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Just look up Stuart Hameroff, the model he presents and explains, and you will see what I am talking about.

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Post by Austin Harper » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:14 pm

Please report back when this experiment has been completed. I'm not interested until then.
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Re: An experiment that would determine whether the brain is a receiver or not

Post by Monster » Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:02 pm

Omniverse wrote: If we can somehow find a way to block out the signal that is being received by the brain and people lose consciousness as a result, then this would show that Stuart's model was the right model all along. But if people are still conscious, then this would show that the materialistic model was the right model. Stuart talks about how this receiver model of the brain works and what it is exactly that the brain picks up on and transforms into consciousness. So, if we can somehow find a way to block that out and people start losing consciousness, then this would indicate that the materialistic model of the brain was false. Perhaps it would require highly advanced technology in the future to do so. Therefore, maybe this is an experiment that cannot be performed at this time.
  • What is the brain receiving?
  • Where is the transmitter?
  • What is the transmitter?
  • What powers the transmitter?
  • What unit of physics would be used when measuring the strength of the transmission? Watts?
  • What part of the brain is the antenna, or is the whole thing the antenna?
  • For the brain to be a receiver, there must be an antenna, and something must be transforming the signal into something that the brain uses. What is this transformer?
  • Do animals have this same brain as receiver thing within their skulls?
  • How do animals that have no brains work?
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Matt MVS7 troll thread 6893#

Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:39 pm

Omniverse AKA Kamil AKA Matt MSV7 wrote:If we can somehow find a way to block out the signal that is being received by the brain and people lose consciousness as a result, then this would show that Stuart's model was the right model all along.
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Re: An experiment that would determine whether the brain is a receiver or not

Post by Dimebag » Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:48 pm

In a way the brain is a receiver, just that what it receives is nerve impulses from the sense organs, caused by various physical substrates, however it also generates its own nerve impulses as well.

But getting back to the initial idea, I'm not sure how the receiving of something by the brain would lead to consciousness. Care to elaborate? What is the brain supposedly receiving? Basically with this idea what you are trying to set up is a form of substance dualism, whereby the physical matter of the brain is one kind of substance, and the signal, which I assume is what consciousness IS, is another different kind of substance.

Does this mean that your substance would support the idea of a disembodied soul, or is the content of this substance fully dependent on the brain?

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:29 am

Dimebag wrote: I'm not sure how the receiving of something by the brain would lead to consciousness.
Omniverse, Matt MSV7 and Kamil are all the same person, an internet troll in the USA.

He used the Omniverse forum name to claim brains are receivers, in this thread and the Kamil forum name to post the debunked Global Consciousness Project in this other thread. He simply copies stories from sequential posts by other people, on a woo forum, here, to get attention.


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Omniverse wrote: But there is another model of the brain which says that our brains are receivers and that this model makes life after death a possibility. This model is presented by Stuart Hameroff.
Stuart Hameroff never said anything like this at all. It is a complete lie from Ominverse to get people to waste their time responding.

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Post by Gord » Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:12 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Omniverse wrote:But there is another model of the brain which says that our brains are receivers and that this model makes life after death a possibility. This model is presented by Stuart Hameroff.
Stuart Hameroff never said anything like this at all. It is a complete lie from Ominverse to get people to waste their time responding.
He's probably gotten his woo mixed up by visiting sites too complicated for himself. I'm pretty sure he's gotten Hameroff confused with Bashar or someone else like that.
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Re: An experiment that would determine whether the brain is a receiver or not

Post by SteveKlinko » Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:24 am

Omniverse wrote:Materialists claim that the brain produces consciousness and that, once the brain dies, we are gone for good. But there is another model of the brain which says that our brains are receivers and that this model makes life after death a possibility. This model is presented by Stuart Hameroff. Now, here is an experiment that could be performed which would determine whether Stuart's model was the correct one or if the materialistic model was the right model. When a radio plays a song, you can determine whether it is the radio itself producing the music or if the radio is receiving the signal. If you were to block out the reception, you would notice the radio no longer plays the music anymore. This experiment shows that the radio is receiving signals. The same experiment would have to be performed when it comes to our brains.

If we can somehow find a way to block out the signal that is being received by the brain and people lose consciousness as a result, then this would show that Stuart's model was the right model all along. But if people are still conscious, then this would show that the materialistic model was the right model. Stuart talks about how this receiver model of the brain works and what it is exactly that the brain picks up on and transforms into consciousness. So, if we can somehow find a way to block that out and people start losing consciousness, then this would indicate that the materialistic model of the brain was false. Perhaps it would require highly advanced technology in the future to do so. Therefore, maybe this is an experiment that cannot be performed at this time.
If Consciousness is a Physical World phenomenon then maybe you could block it off. If Consciousness is a Conscious World phenomenon then there may not be any way to block it off using Physical World methods.

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Post by Gord » Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:01 pm

SteveKlinko wrote:If Consciousness is a Physical World phenomenon then maybe you could block it off.
You can. It's called anaesthesia.
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Re: An experiment that would determine whether the brain is a receiver or not

Post by SteveKlinko » Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:03 pm

Gord wrote:
SteveKlinko wrote:If Consciousness is a Physical World phenomenon then maybe you could block it off.
You can. It's called anaesthesia.
Since we don't know what Consciousness actually is yet we don't know what the Conscious Mind is experiencing during anesthesia. All we know is that there are no memories of what the Conscious Mind was experiencing.

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Re: Matt MVS7 troll thread 6893#

Post by Mara » Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:47 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Omniverse AKA Kamil AKA Matt MSV7 wrote:If we can somehow find a way to block out the signal that is being received by the brain and people lose consciousness as a result, then this would show that Stuart's model was the right model all along.
Hold your head under water for ten minutes and then get back to us.
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P.s. I worry about the future of this world...

Mind uploading/downloading would be such an experiment that Stuart Hameroff stated himself. Isn’t it interesting that they don’t even understand properly the people they agree with...

https://youtu.be/YpUVot-4GPM at 36:50

They really don’t have too many bright believers here, ha?