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Life without a centre.

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Post by TJrandom » Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:28 am

placid wrote:.... It is the Natural-allness upon which a new born baby first opens it's eyes.
Mommy`s tit?

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Post by Lausten » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:19 pm

placid wrote:
TJrandom wrote:
placid wrote:.... It is the Natural-allness upon which a new born baby first opens it's eyes.
Mommy`s tit?
A baby doesn't know Mommy or tit, it doesn't even know it's a baby...these are meaningless concepts ascribed meaning only as they become known by name only - but you are not your name, you are prior.

“There is something I do not know, the knowing of which could change everything.”
My first thought was "deepity", but on further review: It's meets the first criteria of sounding profound. Next comes the question, is it true? And surprisingly, coming from placid, it is true. It's true in the broadest sense, as we learn about where our universe came from, it changes our perspective of everything. It's true on the individual level, if placid would read a damn book, it would change everything in her life.

Of course, the way she is using it, it's a deepity. Her underlying assumption is that she knows something we don't, and if we listen to her, accept her version of reality, it will change everything. Actually that's true too, but it will change it for the worse.
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Once Rama asked Hanumana, who are you? Hanumana replied: When i don't know myself, i am your devotee, but when i know myself i am you.

I am the only one who can know my self, and then only as much as knowing one’s self is possible. None of us know what is really possible. Our bodies tell us to stop if we listen to the pain, but others go on and reach peaks we will never know. We are lied to by our selves every moment of every day. Luckily, we have each other. We can share our deepest most hidden experiences. Try to name them, even though the names are mere phantoms. Together, we can reach the stars. This is no longer simply a poetic notion, it is actually happening.
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Re: Life without a centre.

Post by Monster » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:12 pm

Regarding the title of the thread, did anybody ever say that life had a center?
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Re: Life without a centre.

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placid wrote:
Monster wrote:Regarding the title of the thread, did anybody ever say that life had a center?

Life is an infinite sphere, whose centre is everywhere and whose circumference is nowhere. You are that.
By saying "Life without a centre", it connotes that there was some notion that life had a center. Like somebody actually made that concept. I'm asking if anybody did. I've never heard of the notion of life having a center.
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Post by Lausten » Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:48 pm

Monster wrote:
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Monster wrote:Regarding the title of the thread, did anybody ever say that life had a center?

Life is an infinite sphere, whose centre is everywhere and whose circumference is nowhere. You are that.
By saying "Life without a centre", it connotes that there was some notion that life had a center. Like somebody actually made that concept. I'm asking if anybody did. I've never heard of the notion of life having a center.
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Maybe there is a center - but no life....

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:57 pm

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I don`t think I would want Placid anywhere near my center....

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Post by Poodle » Fri Jul 24, 2015 12:58 am

Life is a Highway - Rascall Flats.
Life is a Roller Coaster - Ronan Keating.
Life is a Runway - Equestria Girls (don't go there).
Life is just a Bowl of Cherries - Rudy Vallee.

There's a lot of disagreement about life. Yeah.

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Jul 24, 2015 4:46 am

placid wrote: A baby doesn't know Mommy or tit, it doesn't even know it's a baby...these are meaningless concepts
Placid, you can't get anything right about reality at all. Human suckling is an innate behaviour. The baby doesn't have to "know" anything. The baby simply does as it has been wired. You did this too.

Do you know what innate behaviour is?
Do you believe in evolution?


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Post by Scott Mayers » Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:12 am

I find placid here a little circular. Yet I am having a similarly related conversation elsewhere to which I applied an analogy of perspective differences:

If I faced placid and noted that he/she seems to favor combing their hair to the left, he/she might disagree, "No, I comb it to the right." This would prove that while we disagree to our statements, we may actually agree to the same definition of "left" and "right" subjectively.

Then, if he/she agreed, while it would appear as though we conform to the same idea, in reality, we either use different definitions of "left" and "right" OR he/she is adapting my 'authoritative' definition from my perspective only!
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:38 am

placid wrote: A baby doesn't know Mommy or tit, it doesn't even know it's a baby.
Matthew Ellard wrote: Human suckling is an innate behaviour. The baby doesn't have to "know" anything. The baby simply does as it has been wired. You did this too. Do you know what innate behaviour is? Do you believe in evolution?
placid wrote: Yes I understand it is innate behaviour as it is in all sentient creatures.
Well then why did you make your stupid comment that a baby doesn't "know"?
placid wrote:My point is that we do not know anything directly, we know ....
You mean humans observe using their senses, but then use science to determine reality. You, as a person, simply never got to the "science" bit in your education. Bad luck.

Please take your hippy nonsense to another forum for non scientists like yourself.

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Post by Scott Mayers » Fri Jul 24, 2015 8:33 am

placid wrote:
placid wrote:
Monster wrote:Regarding the title of the thread, did anybody ever say that life had a center?

Life is an infinite sphere, whose centre is everywhere and whose circumference is nowhere. You are that.

First one must realise that they are the I Am.
They must realise that their entire perceived reality is a conceptual overlay and that the Iamness is it's geocentric centre around which the dream of separation revolves.
From that understanding can come the apperception that if they are aware of the I am...
-they could not be it.

The centre breaks free......identification shifts and Iamness becomes everywhere.
In actuality they are that Mystery which is aware of the I Am.

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From within or from behind, a light shines through us upon things, and makes us aware that we are nothing, but the light is all.

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placid, I'm responding to both your responses above.

I understand the "I am" concept. But this implies a solipsistic stance that is defeated by you yourself. If you cannot predict precisely what I'll say next, this in itself is proof that there is some part of your world to which you lack knowing until it occurs. That is, the future is something distinctly separate from your perspective. AND if you could 'know' all, this very consistency would defeat your need to be consciously aware of it.

Try this, for instance: with no other physical movement in your periphery, stare at some fixed point on a picture or a spot on the wall, try to keep your eyes fixed and resist blinking. What 'should' occur is that you experience momentary blackouts. It is hard to actually maintain this perfectly as your eyes constantly move. But this suggests that when our senses lack change, it seizes to exist. This occurs with sound as well. If you've got some constant hum of a fan going, without realizing it, you lose sense of it consciously (unless it is competing with other sounds you are also trying to listen to). Another example is where you are experiencing a loss of time by either doing repetitive behaviors or something constant (like driving a vehicle on a long straight highway). These demonstrate that if you are perfectly consistent in your experience, you seize to experience at all. I-Am seizes to be when you can no longer recognize a difference in the truths/falsehoods completely contained in you.
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Post by Scott Mayers » Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:57 am

On "The wild geese do not intend to cast their reflection ...", check out this wild goose's opinion on the matter:
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I think it's clear that he believes he has something to reflect. :lol:
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"I went to God just to see....and I was looking at me..."
Marilyn Manson's "The Reflecting God"
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Post by Scott Mayers » Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:41 am

We began with an Adam (atom) of thought; And we end this day to what follows this reflected Eve (evening).

Goodnight.
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Post by Scott Mayers » Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:51 am

P.S. When I proposed my signature statement, I thought there was a way to escape the mortal curse. Since then, I've tasted the fruit and became cursed immortally to regret it! It makes it harder to even fall asleep now.
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placid wrote:
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placid wrote:
Monster wrote:Regarding the title of the thread, did anybody ever say that life had a center?

Life is an infinite sphere, whose centre is everywhere and whose circumference is nowhere. You are that.
By saying "Life without a centre", it connotes that there was some notion that life had a center. Like somebody actually made that concept. I'm asking if anybody did. I've never heard of the notion of life having a center.
Yes, the idea of a centre was man-made ie: the saying ''centre of attention''

The concept ''centre'' I use as a pointer not as something actually existing. The saying life is an infinite sphere whose centre is everywhere is the same as saying life without a centre, because if it's everywhere infinitely - then it's nowhere at all.

Same as if you are infinite consciousness expressing itself as the many you could not be located, meaning your existence is illusory. Have you ever seen consciousness?

Life is only ever imagined..... But humans have taken that concept out of it's correct context, you think it means not real, and you are right, but then you assume your life is real without ever questioning the true validity of that notion. You don't seem to apply the imagined context to your actual experience.

I'm not aiming this at you personally, I'm generalising.
The "centre of attention" is an expression that doesn't say life has a centre. It seems like you're protesting against the word "centre" in all of this. Like the word "centre" shouldn't exist.
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Post by Lausten » Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:54 am

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Any one who is interested in the nature of reality is a scientist. We're all scientists in the pursuit of self discovery and the inner workings of the cosmos.
Okay, "science" is not that well defined, but that's too broad. No.
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I agree while most mainstream scientists study the external reality, other's study the inner reality. What mainstream science overlooks is that reality was here long before any Phd scientist turned up.
What's "inner reality"?
Science does not overlook that at all. A basic understanding of linear time makes that obvious.
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Has science even discovered yet how and why the universe came into being? of course not otherwise we would not be discussing it right now.
Why do people like you think it's profound to mention this? You aren't "discussing" anything. You are making stuff up and putting it in the form of a discussion, like a 3 y.o. who says words in the form of a joke, then laughs at the end, but has no idea how comedy works.
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Okay so you might now want to mention cern and all that jazz but even this is not going to hold the answers, anything they do find will be exactly what the sages have been saying for thousands of years, and that is ..... ''what you are looking for is what's looking....'' everything will come full circle.
All science is doing is repeating over and over again what is already here. It's the universe, or consciousness at play, in a quest for self discovery because it's fun to experience itself.

Scientists get their reward via a certificate by being able to remember information that already exists, if they are good at remembering and applying that knowledge to paper, then they are deemed qualified without ever realising it's not their knowledge.

FYI ... Reality, or the self that want's to know, cannot replicate itself for one very good reason...go figure that one out with your scientific mind.
You're not even that good at it. You don't even know your sages. (That "fun to experience" thing is a good example of you making something up).
Yes, they get a certificate because they are smart. You can barely remember what you said two posts ago. You've got reality confused with knowing reality. FYI... Science is limited, it is limited to things that aren't made up.
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Any one who is interested in the nature of reality is a scientist.
And anyone who eats pussy is a lesbian. :roll: :lol:
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placid wrote:
Monster wrote: The "centre of attention" is an expression that doesn't say life has a centre. It seems like you're protesting against the word "centre" in all of this. Like the word "centre" shouldn't exist.
The sayer of the expression is LIFE

LIFE or consciousness what ever you want to call it expresses as and through language ( a human attribute)

The terminology ''centre of attention'' I'm using is an expression of LIFE expressing as the animate, inanimate / word and wordless world.

If I have to be wrong to make you right then you are just being ego reactive. We are both expressing our points of view which is LIFE, ever heard the expression THAT'S LIFE?
You know what? That's alright. Nevermind. I apologize for bothering you.
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Post by Lausten » Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:45 pm

placid wrote:
Lausten wrote: You've got reality confused with knowing reality.
I'll take this part of your response only, since in the rest of your response, you appear to go off on a psycho babbling rant that does not interest me.


In reply to your opinion above.
Each has a unique window of perspective on reality as they perceive it, there are divergent ideas as to what defines "real" no one is wrong or right, one can only give evidence of what is their own experiential idea.
Right, that's KNOWING REALITY. You keep talking about people's individual reality as if that is reality, and lots of other things that insinuate you know something about reality that we don't.
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:14 am

placid wrote:Any one who is interested in the nature of reality is a scientist.
Complete crap. Scientists use the scientific method to test a hypothesis they have made about nature.

You write down your random unconnected thoughts on a public science forum, with no goal at all, because you suffer delusions that your random words make sense. You can't even form a basic hypothesis that anyone can test.

Go away.