The difference between Awareness and Consciousness

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The difference between Awareness and Consciousness

Post by gachchy » Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:36 am

We use the terms Awareness and Consciousness interchangeably leading to many confusions. My interpretation goes like this : There is 1) Awareness 2) Self-Awareness aka Consciousness. (To mean being Self Aware is to be Conscious of the Self). We rarely use the term 'Self Consciousness' in practice. Instead, We use 'Consciousness' in the place of 'Self Awareness'.

I consider Awareness as a state of existence even prior the state of being Conscious (Self Awareness). It is a sort of Proto-Consciousness. All existential being posses some degree of Awareness but not Self Awareness. Self Awareness is the state of being Aware that one is Aware, a 2nd degree of Awareness. In both Awareness and Self Awareness, there is a feed back from stimuli. A Dog or Cat is also Aware but not Self Aware. When a Cat sees a Dog, it runs away because there is a feed back through stimuli.They are aware of the surroundings. A child may be aware but not conscious. Even a tree posses awareness because several trees fold their leaves after the evening hours. Albizia saman or rain tree or 5 'O' clock tree folds its leaves during rain and after sun set. Certainly it shows that it is aware but it may not be self aware (conscious). This may show the fact that when an organism is Aware it may not develop the sense of passage of time like a cat or dog or a child. But, the sense of time is derived only when one evolves to the state of a conscious being.

A table or chair may posses awareness as they remain as an integrated object without disintegrating or exploding into discrete atoms due to the attractive forces between the atoms which may be akin to atoms being aware, but not conscious enough. A Photo Diode or IC or Internet is considered to be aware by many scientists. This is what is considered as Awareness being the fundamental ingredient of the universe by panpsychism. Now a days many scientists like Christof Koch (panpsychism) and Giulio Tononi (Integrated Information Theory) propose that Consciousness/Awareness as the fundamental substance of the universe.

An interesting piece of information on Christof Koach's panpsychism and Giulio Tononi's Integrated Information Theory is given below:

http://www.academia.edu/8171097/How_Chr ... Same_Thing" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: The difference between Awareness and Consciousness

Post by sandisk » Fri Jul 15, 2016 3:58 am

"A table or chair may posses awareness"
Are you joking?

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Re: The difference between Awareness and Consciousness

Post by Angel » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:58 pm

Self awareness is so u can do
maintainance on urself.

Consciousness is knowing u r
maintaining urself.
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Re: The difference between Awareness and Consciousness

Post by Paul Anthony » Mon Jul 18, 2016 5:53 pm

gachchy,

You were doing so well until you mentioned chairs and tables. Let's not ignore the difference between animate and inanimate objects.
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Re: The difference between Awareness and Consciousness

Post by Angel » Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:12 pm

Paul Anthony wrote:gachchy,

You were doing so well until you mentioned chairs and tables. Let's not ignore the difference between animate and inanimate objects.
Depends on what they r made of?
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Re: The difference between Awareness and Consciousness

Post by Paul Anthony » Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:41 am

Angel wrote:
Paul Anthony wrote:gachchy,

You were doing so well until you mentioned chairs and tables. Let's not ignore the difference between animate and inanimate objects.
Depends on what they r made of?
No.

Animals, plants, insects,,,animate things may have consciousness.

Inanimate things are dead. A chair may be made of wood, but the tree died before the chair was made. If it didn't die, the paint or stain would have certainly kill it.
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Re: The difference between Awareness and Consciousness

Post by Angel » Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:33 am

Paul Anthony wrote:
Angel wrote:
Paul Anthony wrote:gachchy,

You were doing so well until you mentioned chairs and tables. Let's not ignore the difference between animate and inanimate objects.
Depends on what they r made of?
No.

Animals, plants, insects,,,animate things may have consciousness.

Inanimate things are dead. A chair may be made of wood, but the tree died before the chair was made. If it didn't die, the paint or stain would have certainly kill it.
Define ~ living & dead please.
I have yet to hear it done without
hesitation.
In the end we have power over death.
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Re: The difference between Awareness and Consciousness

Post by Paul Anthony » Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:46 am

Angel wrote:
In the end we have power over death.
Who is this "we" you speak of? If you have power over death, more power to you (pun intended) but a chair ain't so lucky.
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Re: The difference between Awareness and Consciousness

Post by Angel » Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:15 am

Paul Anthony wrote:
Angel wrote:
In the end we have power over death.
Who is this "we" you speak of? If you have power over death, more power to you (pun intended) but a chair ain't so lucky.
Whoever is left alive . :D
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Re: The difference between Awareness and Consciousness

Post by Whudsoniii » Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:03 am

Word games. The difference between awareness and consciousness is intent.

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Re: The difference between Awareness and Consciousness

Post by Whudsoniii » Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:06 am

Either mater preceded consciousness or consciousness preceded mater. If consciousness preceded mater then the table matters.

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Re: The difference between Awareness and Consciousness

Post by Angel » Fri Jul 29, 2016 8:52 pm

I pretty sure matter came first as it
had to awaken then evolve.
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Re: The difference between Awareness and Consciousness

Post by sandisk » Tue Aug 09, 2016 1:25 pm

Matter, energy and all different fragments of consciousness came together (or not together), what about that? There is no god, btw.

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Post by Angel » Tue Aug 09, 2016 1:46 pm

sandisk wrote:Matter, energy and all different fragments of consciousness came together (or not together), what about that? There is no god, btw.
Prove it!!!!!!!!!! :mrgreen: :lol:
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Re: The difference between Awareness and Consciousness

Post by Gord » Fri Aug 12, 2016 10:08 am

sandisk wrote:Matter, energy and all different fragments of consciousness came together (or not together), what about that?
What does that even mean? It seems meaningless.
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Re: The difference between Awareness and Consciousness

Post by Ace135 » Sun Aug 14, 2016 3:18 am

Consciousness had to have come first because matter is the remains of thought. And thought comes from consciousness,we are thoughts of the great consciousness of the universe. we are the same as the universe, so in reality we are one. think of consciousness like a star it has a core and multiple layers that emit energy in waves like light i see it the same with consciousness, thought is the waves and the core is where it originates. Self awareness means you know you exist and how you work as a single and as a whole so being self ware means a lot

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Post by Angel » Sun Aug 14, 2016 12:42 pm

A necklace is one yet it is made
up of many different pieces composed
of different materials.
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Re: The difference between Awareness and Consciousness

Post by kennyc » Sun Aug 14, 2016 12:43 pm

gachchy wrote:We use the terms Awareness and Consciousness interchangeably leading to many confusions. My interpretation goes like this : There is 1) Awareness 2) Self-Awareness aka Consciousness. (To mean being Self Aware is to be Conscious of the Self). We rarely use the term 'Self Consciousness' in practice. Instead, We use 'Consciousness' in the place of 'Self Awareness'.

I consider Awareness as a state of existence even prior the state of being Conscious (Self Awareness). It is a sort of Proto-Consciousness. All existential being posses some degree of Awareness but not Self Awareness. Self Awareness is the state of being Aware that one is Aware, a 2nd degree of Awareness. In both Awareness and Self Awareness, there is a feed back from stimuli. A Dog or Cat is also Aware but not Self Aware. When a Cat sees a Dog, it runs away because there is a feed back through stimuli.They are aware of the surroundings. A child may be aware but not conscious. Even a tree posses awareness because several trees fold their leaves after the evening hours. Albizia saman or rain tree or 5 'O' clock tree folds its leaves during rain and after sun set. Certainly it shows that it is aware but it may not be self aware (conscious). This may show the fact that when an organism is Aware it may not develop the sense of passage of time like a cat or dog or a child. But, the sense of time is derived only when one evolves to the state of a conscious being.

A table or chair may posses awareness as they remain as an integrated object without disintegrating or exploding into discrete atoms due to the attractive forces between the atoms which may be akin to atoms being aware, but not conscious enough. A Photo Diode or IC or Internet is considered to be aware by many scientists. This is what is considered as Awareness being the fundamental ingredient of the universe by panpsychism. Now a days many scientists like Christof Koch (panpsychism) and Giulio Tononi (Integrated Information Theory) propose that Consciousness/Awareness as the fundamental substance of the universe.

An interesting piece of information on Christof Koach's panpsychism and Giulio Tononi's Integrated Information Theory is given below:

http://www.academia.edu/8171097/How_Chr ... Same_Thing" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Yes, I agree but don't think 'Consciousness/Awareness is a fundamental substance of the universe' -- nor do either Koch or Tononi. Tononi is looking for a means of 'measuring consciousness (or actually awareness depending on the definition you adhere to). Both have much good in their approaches.

Awareness at the most fundamental level is the ability to be aware of and reach to 'ones' environment. This is true at the most basic level of fundamental particles that make up the universe. Electrons, photons and other more fundamental particles react to their environment. They are distinct objects/elements/items and react to their surroundings. They may not be self-aware but they are aware just as are more complex entities of molecules, viruses, single cells and non-biological objects. By adding feedback to this awareness an object/organism can become self-aware (i.e. conscious). With an object like a thermostat this is a very simple self-awareness yet one which operates in exactly the same manner as human (and other higher organisms) self-awareness/consciousness.
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Re: The difference between Awareness and Consciousness

Post by kennyc » Sun Aug 14, 2016 12:46 pm

gachchy wrote:.....

An interesting piece of information on Christof Koach's panpsychism and Giulio Tononi's Integrated Information Theory is given below:

http://www.academia.edu/8171097/How_Chr ... Same_Thing" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

P.S. thanks for the link to that paper. Great stuff, will read when I have a time...
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Post by Angel » Sun Aug 14, 2016 9:28 pm

I have trouble with awareness and
conscious being used together .
Aware is already having the knowledge .
Conscious is awake. You can be awake
yet not aware. I've awoke many times
not knowing where I was because I traveled
a lot .
You are awake yet you are not aware
of everything your own body is doing.
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Re: The difference between Awareness and Consciousness

Post by Matthew Ellard » Mon Aug 15, 2016 1:34 am

Ace135 wrote:Consciousness had to have come first because matter is the remains of thought.
Complete crap. Please apply this to the actual history of the universe when there were only hydrogen atoms.

You can't can you. So if we already know that matter arose first, then what are you even talking about?

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Post by Angel » Mon Aug 15, 2016 2:45 pm

You can be awake yet not be
conscious of what others
are doing to you ~ behind your
back. When you become
conscious of them and what
they are doing to you ~ you
have power over them.
You are able to command them.
They fear the other knowing
what they are doing to you.
Jesus was a commander of
nature not a teacher of methods.
The false prophets are those making
a profit behind someone else's back.
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Post by Paul Anthony » Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:50 pm

Angel wrote:You can be awake yet not be
conscious of what others
are doing to you ~ behind your
back. When you become
conscious of them and what
they are doing to you ~ you
have power over them.
You are able to command them.
They fear the other knowing
what they are doing to you.
Jesus was a commander of
nature not a teacher of methods.
The false prophets are those making
a profit behind someone else's back.
The meek ~ :beamup: :beamup: :mm: :pc: :disco: :beach: :beach:
Sounds good. Where do I apply to become a false prophet? Or is it "false profit"?
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Paul Anthony wrote:
Angel wrote:You can be awake yet not be
conscious of what others
are doing to you ~ behind your
back. When you become
conscious of them and what
they are doing to you ~ you
have power over them.
You are able to command them.
They fear the other knowing
what they are doing to you.
Jesus was a commander of
nature not a teacher of methods.
The false prophets are those making
a profit behind someone else's back.
The meek ~ :beamup: :beamup: :mm: :pc: :disco: :beach: :beach:
Sounds good. Where do I apply to become a false prophet? Or is it "false profit"?
You earn money thus you already are
false......

I volunteer .
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Post by Detrelucide » Sun Sep 04, 2016 4:08 am

There are two laws that come to mind (these are not laws made by man or recognizable one, but for the sake of argument open your mind)
1. Law of Existance simply states everything is
interdependent on everything else, regardless of whether the material is biological, animate or inanimate, tangible or intangible.

If a biological creature comes into contact with an (in)animate object such as a fire, the presence of that fire will burn that biological creature, so it will affect that biological creatures physical being and it will also affect that biological creatures intangible thoughts. That creature will understand fire burns them because that fire burned their physical body. That creature will also understand they should avoid fire in the future, so now that fire has also affected that creatures thoughts, which are intangible. So that fire which is not a biological entity but an (in)animate entity, has affected a biological creature physically and in the mental or intangible aspect.

This Law of Existence also works in indirect ways. A biological entity see's a fire and is reminded the fire is "dangerous" from a previous experience or from an understanding from another biological beings suggestion. So that creature attempts to extinguish that fire. So again the mere presence of that fire, has affected the biological creature, because the biological creature will understand, the fire is "dangerous" and that will make the biological creature react to that "danger". So the (in)animate object, fire, is controlling that biological creature indirectly. That creature may attempt to put out that fire, and in turn get burned by the fire. Now the fire itself is defined as inanimate. The fire itself is defined as non biological. How is that possible? The fire is perceived to be an (in)animate by a creature that has determined it knows what is inanimate and what is not. The creature has determined the fire is not biological, yet the creature is being manipulated by that fire both physically and in the intangible respect, mentally. So that fire is simply beyond that creatures ability to detect. The fire is in reality, a biological creature that is able to manipulate all creatures around it. The fire is able to manipulate creatures physically and mentality, i.e. Getting burned by the fire or death and taking noting to avoid the fire in the future. Whoever assumes fire is not biological and alive, are simply unable to understand what kind of life form fire is. So they assume because it is not like they are, it certainly cannot be alive. They are unable to understand how the fire could possibly be a biological life form, yet the fire itself has processes that enable it to come into being. A fire needs oxygen to exist. A creature needs oxygen to exist. So the creature and the fire both have one very obvious trait in common. Neither can exist without some form of element to keep them alive. Without oxygen the "biological" creature cannot live. Without oxygen the "non biological" fire can exist. Without oxygen both biological creatures die. The fire can be killed with water. A human creature can be killed with water. Both creatures are drowned by water. Both creatures can have so much water that they lose the ability to breathe oxygen and thus they both die eventually in the presence of too much water.

Of course this Law of Existence is not properly explainable without the Law of Intangible and Tangible Life.

2. The Law of Intangible and Tangible Life simply states everything is a form of life but simply some life forms are beyond the detection methods of some life forms. This is explainable in the fact that two "elements" are able to mix together to form a new
compound in the same way a biological being is able to digest food , which was a biological compound before your ate it. It regenerates its own cells and is able to create other things as a result of that "mixing" with other compounds. These elementals are inanimate but that is because they have been labeled by another life form as inanimate. "

^i got this information from a recent book a read and found it very interesting. I makes a lot of sense to me. Now I know fire is not a chair, but if you go deeper into what it is saying; if the (in)animate objects atoms are still able to be manipulated and changed then it is not dead. You could still break the chair..then it's not a chair, it's a broken chair, or some broken wood or whatever material it was made of. Then that material can be recycled and mixed with other elements or inanimate objects to become something else.

Essentially to be "dead" would be to be an absolute. An absolute cannot be because isotopes, which make up atoms, can have different densities and are ever changing, But it is still an isotope. Therefore there is no absolute, because everything is always changing and can always be changed
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Re: The difference between Awareness and Consciousness

Post by Matthew Ellard » Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:28 am

Detrelucide wrote:. It makes a lot of sense to me. Now I know fire is not a chair, but if you go deeper into what it is saying; if the (in)animate objects atoms are still able to be manipulated and changed then it is not dead. You could still break the chair..then it's not a chair, it's a broken chair, or some broken wood or whatever material it was made of. Then that material can be recycled and mixed with other elements or inanimate objects to become something else.
Living things are undergoing continuous systematic chemical and electro-magnetic reactions and can reproduce. A chair doesn't do either of those things.
Detrelucide wrote:An absolute cannot be because isotopes, which make up atoms, can have different densities and are ever changing, But it is still an isotope.
You don't actually know what an isotope is do you?

Do you know how an atom changes when it sheds or collects an electron?

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Re: The difference between Awareness and Consciousness

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Detrelucide wrote:There are two laws that come to mind (these are not laws made by man or recognizable one, but for the sake of argument open your mind)
1. Law of Existance simply states everything is
interdependent on everything else, regardless of whether the material is biological, animate or inanimate, tangible or intangible.

If a biological creature comes into contact with an (in)animate object such as a fire, the presence of that fire will burn that biological creature, so it will affect that biological creatures physical being and it will also affect that biological creatures intangible thoughts. That creature will understand fire burns them because that fire burned their physical body. That creature will also understand they should avoid fire in the future, so now that fire has also affected that creatures thoughts, which are intangible. So that fire which is not a biological entity but an (in)animate entity, has affected a biological creature physically and in the mental or intangible aspect.

This Law of Existence also works in indirect ways. A biological entity see's a fire and is reminded the fire is "dangerous" from a previous experience or from an understanding from another biological beings suggestion. So that creature attempts to extinguish that fire. So again the mere presence of that fire, has affected the biological creature, because the biological creature will understand, the fire is "dangerous" and that will make the biological creature react to that "danger". So the (in)animate object, fire, is controlling that biological creature indirectly. That creature may attempt to put out that fire, and in turn get burned by the fire. Now the fire itself is defined as inanimate. The fire itself is defined as non biological. How is that possible? The fire is perceived to be an (in)animate by a creature that has determined it knows what is inanimate and what is not. The creature has determined the fire is not biological, yet the creature is being manipulated by that fire both physically and in the intangible respect, mentally. So that fire is simply beyond that creatures ability to detect. The fire is in reality, a biological creature that is able to manipulate all creatures around it. The fire is able to manipulate creatures physically and mentality, i.e. Getting burned by the fire or death and taking noting to avoid the fire in the future. Whoever assumes fire is not biological and alive, are simply unable to understand what kind of life form fire is. So they assume because it is not like they are, it certainly cannot be alive. They are unable to understand how the fire could possibly be a biological life form, yet the fire itself has processes that enable it to come into being. A fire needs oxygen to exist. A creature needs oxygen to exist. So the creature and the fire both have one very obvious trait in common. Neither can exist without some form of element to keep them alive. Without oxygen the "biological" creature cannot live. Without oxygen the "non biological" fire can exist. Without oxygen both biological creatures die. The fire can be killed with water. A human creature can be killed with water. Both creatures are drowned by water. Both creatures can have so much water that they lose the ability to breathe oxygen and thus they both die eventually in the presence of too much water.

Of course this Law of Existence is not properly explainable without the Law of Intangible and Tangible Life.

2. The Law of Intangible and Tangible Life simply states everything is a form of life but simply some life forms are beyond the detection methods of some life forms. This is explainable in the fact that two "elements" are able to mix together to form a new
compound in the same way a biological being is able to digest food , which was a biological compound before your ate it. It regenerates its own cells and is able to create other things as a result of that "mixing" with other compounds. These elementals are inanimate but that is because they have been labeled by another life form as inanimate. "

^i got this information from a recent book a read and found it very interesting. I makes a lot of sense to me. Now I know fire is not a chair, but if you go deeper into what it is saying; if the (in)animate objects atoms are still able to be manipulated and changed then it is not dead. You could still break the chair..then it's not a chair, it's a broken chair, or some broken wood or whatever material it was made of. Then that material can be recycled and mixed with other elements or inanimate objects to become something else.

Essentially to be "dead" would be to be an absolute. An absolute cannot be because isotopes, which make up atoms, can have different densities and are ever changing, But it is still an isotope. Therefore there is no absolute, because everything is always changing and can always be changed
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None of those things actually are any of those things. Their labels are as arbitrary and irrelevant (except for the purpose of communication) as the whole meritless concept (except for the fact that nothing dies but only changes form) that's posted.
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Re: The difference between Awareness and Consciousness

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Detrelucide wrote:... if the (in)animate objects atoms are still able to be manipulated and changed then it is not dead. You could still break the chair..then it's not a chair, it's a broken chair, or some broken wood or whatever material it was made of. Then that material can be recycled and mixed with other elements or inanimate objects to become something else....
What scrmbldggs said. Things aren't alive just because we give them names. "Chair" is just a human construct designed to identify a particular structure for a particular use. The components of the chair don't care what they're called, or whether they're all together or not. Only when a human perceives it to be shaped like a chair do we call it a chair. If everyone were to die off who knew what a chair was, there would be no chair. Without anyone to so name it, it's not a chair.
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Gord wrote: "Chair" is just a human construct designed to identify a particular structure for a particular use. The components of the chair don't care what they're called, or whether they're all together or not. Only when a human perceives it to be shaped like a chair do we call it a chair. If everyone were to die off who knew what a chair was, there would be no chair. Without anyone to so name it, it's not a chair.
What you call a chair, I call a unicorn. Therefore, unicorns are real!
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Paul Anthony wrote:
Gord wrote: "Chair" is just a human construct designed to identify a particular structure for a particular use. The components of the chair don't care what they're called, or whether they're all together or not. Only when a human perceives it to be shaped like a chair do we call it a chair. If everyone were to die off who knew what a chair was, there would be no chair. Without anyone to so name it, it's not a chair.
What you call a chair, I call a unicorn. Therefore, unicorns are real!
I thought only virgins could sit on unicorns?
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Matter becomes consciously aware of
it's abilities.
Are you proud of yourselves yet?
Being the big bully's that you are.
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Why does this discussion have less than 40 posts but over 1600 views?
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Maybe we should check how many of gachchy's community applied for membership at this fine establishment? :-P
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Re: The difference between Awareness and Consciousness

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Gord wrote:Why does this discussion have less than 40 posts but over 1600 views?
People want to know but they aren't
willing to stick their necks out only
to have you prople cut their heads off.
Skeptics are like henchmen .
No vision but their own. Birds of a feather
or so to speak with a mob mentality.
I wouldn't want to come across you lot
outside a bar where you've been drinking
all night. I might be tempted to dominate
you hehe
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Gord wrote:Why does this discussion have less than 40 posts but over 1600 views?
Dunno - I've never been here before.

I'm not convinced I'll come again.

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Poodle wrote:
Gord wrote:Why does this discussion have less than 40 posts but over 1600 views?
Dunno - I've never been here before.

I'm not convinced I'll come again.
The other 1560 are still laughing.
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Re: The difference between Awareness and Consciousness

Post by OlegTheBatty » Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:44 pm

Angel wrote:
Gord wrote:Why does this discussion have less than 40 posts but over 1600 views?
People want to know but they aren't
willing to stick their necks out only
to have you prople cut their heads off.
There is no shortage of people willing to present ideas for which there is no evidence, and which do not stand up to scrutiny. If they get their heads cut off, it is because they form an endless stream, wearing down the skeptics and empiricists, so the latter just bite, instead of engaging.
Skeptics are like henchmen .
No vision but their own. Birds of a feather
or so to speak with a mob mentality.
No mob mentality. Skeptics bite each other too.
I wouldn't want to come across you lot
outside a bar where you've been drinking
all night. I might be tempted to dominate
you hehe
Now you're being coquettish. :P
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