Christians don't eat pork

David Ben-Ariel · Post by **David Ben-Ariel** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:55 am

Actually, Christians who believe the Bible don't eat pork either...

Unclean traditional Christianity teaches the religious lie that Jesus "did away with" the dietary laws, sinning against both God and man (1 John 2:4; Matt 5:17-20). Don't you believe them! Reject such sloppy swill!

Unclean Christianity vs. Peter's Vision

Jay Hoover · Post by **Jay Hoover** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:08 am

David Ben-Ariel wrote:Actually, Christians who believe the Bible don't eat pork either...

Unclean traditional Christianity teaches the religious lie that Jesus "did away with" the dietary laws, sinning against both God and man (1 John 2:4; Matt 5:17-20). Don't you believe them! Reject such sloppy swill!

Unclean Christianity vs. Peter's Vision

And yet another reason why it's good to leave the religious mumbo-jumbo behind: Ya can't eat spareribs! No sausages! No chops!

Indeed, Hell on Earth.

Post by **Pyrrho** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:58 pm

Here in Cleveland Ohio, the closest thing the local Christian churches get to dietary laws is not eating meat on Friday during Lent, which makes for a great loss leader for the local restaurants and bars, who annually advertise fish fry -- i.e. Lake Erie Perch or some other greasy fish-smelling substance caked in beer batter and deep-fried in bacon fat or lard rendered, no doubt, from some hapless pig. We have a lot of Catholic churches here, which also means Bingo games, Las Vegas Nights, and skillo wheels and three-card Monte at the church hall most nights. At the church carnival, you can gamble for beer and wine and play many games of chance skill--presumably to enhance your relationship with the Almighty God, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, and the Queen of Heaven. Glory hallelujah, I won a six-pack! Now if I could just win that carton of cigarettes we'll be all set for the fish fry on Friday.

It's no wonder the Catholic church here is against casinos. Maybe if they got a piece of the action. Paging Bela Oxmyx...

Jay Hoover · Post by **Jay Hoover** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:25 pm

Pyrrho wrote:Maybe if they got a piece of the action. Paging Bela Oxmyx...

Oh my.

Now that is an arcane reference. But what's worse-- I knew EXACTLY to what you refer

PS: I recently met the actor who played Cirl the Knife @ The Magic Castle.

David Ben-Ariel · Post by **David Ben-Ariel** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:57 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
David Ben-Ariel wrote:Actually, Christians who believe the Bible don't eat pork either...
Does being a Christian entail conversion to Judaism?

Absolutely not, as Judaism isn't all there, it is incomplete (which is why Yeshua came to magnify the Law and the Prophets and fulfill many prophecies). However, becoming a Christian does entail forsaking pagan practices and idolatrous thoughts (Isa. 55:7-9).

God doesn't only love the Jews and Israelites, but all mankind.

Have you never read where our Great Creator God revealed these dietary laws to Noah - long before the patriarch Judah, son of Jacob-Israel, was born or "Judaism" evolved?

Noah took two of every unclean critter into the Ark, and took seven of the clean. All mankind knew this dietary distinction and most later forgot it, either through woeful neglect or rebellion - an unhealthy rejection of the divine menu due to covetousness - and God restored it to Israel (all Twelve Tribes of Israel) to share with the world.

Genesis 7

1 Then the LORD said to Noah, “Come into the ark, you and all your household, because I have seen that you are righteous before Me in this generation. 2 You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and his female; 3 also seven each of birds of the air, male and female, to keep the species alive on the face of all the earth.

Wyrd · Post by **Wyrd** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:02 pm

David, do you have any idea what a modern chicken is? Assuming you eat chicken that is.
A modern chicken is something we created by hybridisation, it is essentially a mule.
You would be hard pressed to find any natural food in the store, "in biblical standards"

Post by **Pyrrho** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:13 pm

Just don't play a shronk.

David Ben-Ariel · Post by **David Ben-Ariel** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:17 pm

Wyrd wrote: A modern chicken is something we created by hybridisation, it is essentially a mule.
You would be hard pressed to find any natural food in the store, "in biblical standards"

Let us hope that as more people express interest and return to proper diets, high standards revealed from Creation, greater care will be taken to live in peace and harmony with biblical standards concerning food, animals, fish and the land.

Post by **Pyrrho** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:10 pm

If people are to follow a Biblical standard, we should all be vegetarians.

Jesus wasn't particularly worried about it. He was more concerned with what came out of peoples' mouths, instead of what went in and through.

Flash · Post by **Flash** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:45 pm

What in the world has the poor porky done to god to deserve such a hateful rap? And anyway, if god really did not want people to eat pork would he not command Noah to leave the pair behind to drown?
Ah...But this is like rational thinking. Pardon me, I've forgotten that rationality gets you nowhere as far as the bible is concerned. :roll:
I don't think the Europeans could invent science and technology and explore the world without two things; bacon and booze. :lol:

Jay Hoover · Post by **Jay Hoover** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:17 am

Flash wrote:What in the world has the poor porky done to god to deserve such a hateful rap?

I am partial to Christopher Hitchens' theory that pork is pink and spongy and too damn close to human flesh. In fact, certain cannibalistic tribes refer to human meat as "long pig".

Wyrd · Post by **Wyrd** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:03 am

Jay Hoover wrote:
Flash wrote:What in the world has the poor porky done to god to deserve such a hateful rap?
I am partial to Christopher Hitchens' theory that pork is pink and spongy and too damn close to human flesh. In fact, certain cannibalistic tribes refer to human meat as "long pig".

While were on that subject, isn't pig biology closest to human?
Mayhap God knew this, and didn't want us to eat our brothers.
After all, some animals are more equal than others.

Aztexan · Post by **Aztexan** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:21 am

Are we saying that theists shouldn't eat filthy swine because of professional courtesy?

Chachacha · Post by **Chachacha** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:55 am

What about shellfish? Isn't eating shellfish an abomination to God?

Chachacha · Post by **Chachacha** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:39 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Would you eat a member of your family?

Hmmmm, tough one ... I love kids, but I can't eat a whole one by myself.

Wyrd · Post by **Wyrd** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:21 am

ruben lopez wrote:Are we saying that theists shouldn't eat filthy swine because of professional courtesy?

Your filthy reference is definitely biassed, are you a donkey? :wink:

Aztexan · Post by **Aztexan** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:56 am

You callin me a donkey? I awwww I awwwwww I awwwwww I oughta kick the crap outta you. Get behind me, dammit.

David Ben-Ariel · Post by **David Ben-Ariel** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:55 am

Pyrrho wrote:If people are to follow a Biblical standard, we should all be vegetarians.

It appears that's what Adam and Eve were, but our Great Creator God later said we could eat those meats He approved - that is the biblical standard. However, the New Testament teaches if somebody wants to be, chooses to be, a vegetarian they can be - but they're not any holier for it.

Jesus wasn't particularly worried about it. He was more concerned with what came out of peoples' mouths, instead of what went in and through.

Jesus Upheld the Biblical Dietary Laws

Post by **Pyrrho** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:18 am

Just one among many Biblical contradictions.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... version=31;

Whatever. I don't care what Christians or anybody else eats, as long as it isn't human flesh.

Major Major · Post by **Major Major** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:38 pm

I'm eating a big leg-o'-swine right now
right off the spit
just tearing into it

Jay Hoover · Post by **Jay Hoover** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:16 pm

13He replied, "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14Leave them; they are blind guides.[a] If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit."

15Peter said, "Explain the parable to us."

16"Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them. 17"Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.' 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20These are what make a man 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean.' "

This reminds me of Julia Sweeney's line in "Letting Go of God":

When even the help doesn't understand you using parables, maybe you should stop using parables.

Time for breakfast. Eggs and sausages. Pork sausages.

David Ben-Ariel · Post by **David Ben-Ariel** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:24 pm

1 Timothy 4

1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry [celibate priesthood], and commanding to abstain from foods [like only eating fish on Fridays or insisting on vegetarianism] which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth [God's Word is truth]. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

The Word of God, specifically the two witnesses of Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14, reveal what creatures our Great Creator God has sanctified, they testify what God has set apart as acceptable, they educate us about what's fit for human consumption and what edible abominations should never disgrace any Bible-believers' menu.

Animus · Post by **Animus** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:52 pm

I don't eat pork either. Hallelujah!

Bull testicles on the other hand. That is a treat. See y'all at the next testicle festival.

David Ben-Ariel · Post by **David Ben-Ariel** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:25 pm

Those who rightly divide the Word of God, reading it in context, can clearly see that the issue in Matthew was NOT ABOUT THE DIETARY LAWS OF CLEAN AND UNCLEAN. The issue in Matthew 15 was about going against the tradition of the elders, the tradition of excessive handwashing.

Matthew 15

1 Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, 2 “Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.” 3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? ...(like today with traditional hollow days like Christmas, Easter and replacing Sunday for Sabbath for starters) Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘ These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.

9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’”

10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

If Yeshua dared to teach otherwise, if He preached against the dietary laws as commonly taught, He would be a sinner in rebellion, just like traditional Christianity whose idolatrous ideas are set above the Word and commandments of God (1 John 2:4).

Christians are guilty of misrepresenting Yeshua, of tarnishing His good name by their traditions. Yet Yeshua didn't break God's laws or teach others to break God's law. He's the pure Passover Lamb, without spot or blemish. He was a preacher of righteousness and worthy to be our Savior from sin.

Yeshua didn't stutter when He said, "I have kept my Father's commandments" or when He clearly stated for the record to dispel such traditional error and religious lies taught today:

Matthew 5:17-19

17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill [magnify, revealing spirit and not just letter of the law, making it even more binding]. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

God's clean and unclean food laws are consistent from Genesis to Revelation. God hasn't changed His mind and Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever.

Animus · Post by **Animus** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:33 pm

So, Christians do eat pork, so long as they wash their hands?

Is it ok if I still don't eat pork and eat my bull testicles without washing my hands?

What if I'm not a Christian?

NeroXIV · Post by **NeroXIV** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:28 pm

David Ben-Ariel wrote:The Word of God, specifically the two witnesses of Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14, ...

Can you prove that the Bible is the word of God?

bigtim · Post by **bigtim** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:47 pm

Everyone knows for a fact that Pig is the magical food... it is God's gift to humanity.... and the only reason for barley is beer....any other use is blasphemy!

Major Major · Post by **Major Major** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:22 pm

what about spider-pig?

Chachacha · Post by **Chachacha** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:31 am

David Ben-Ariel wrote:1 Timothy 4

The Word of God, specifically the two witnesses of Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14, reveal what creatures our Great Creator God has sanctified, they testify what God has set apart as acceptable, they educate us about what's fit for human consumption and what edible abominations should never disgrace any Bible-believers' menu.

Am I the ONLY one who knows Leviticus banned eating shellfish as an abomination to God????? Or do believers skim over the inconvenient bible parts?

Major Malfunction · Post by **Major Malfunction** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:18 am

I was googling "Shellfish God" and found this little gem of Christian "reasoning"...

Did you know that all of the clean animals God said we could eat live only on vegetation? Link

Fish? Didn't YHWH say we could eat fish? Most fish are predatory or omniverous! And most everything else the writer points out as the "reasons" YHWH labelled certain animals as "Unclean" also apply to fish - even the ones with fins and scales! Parasites, viruses, bacteria, eating dead things and poop... Oh, and let's not forget the downright deadly poisonous fish! But YHWH said it was cool, so it must be.

I suggest you're not a real Christian unless you can subsist entirely on fugu. YHWH said you could, so you can, right?

Right?

Chachacha · Post by **Chachacha** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:19 pm

Forgive me for repeating myself if I have posted this before, but it seems appropriate and it cracks me up:

In a column about keeping Kosher, the writer said it is very important to check fruits and vegetables for insects and worms and remove them before eating. Makes sense, except that the reason was because insects and worms aren't Kosher!!! :shock:

:lol:

Flea · Post by **Flea** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:01 pm

This discussion reminds me of an article I read a couple of years back about small crustaceans in the NY water supply. Large enough to be seen with the unaided eye, they made tap water non-Kosher. Some people installed filters on their faucets to get them out of the water.

http://www.kosherwater.com/reprints.htm

The creature, a crustacean known as a copepod that comes in several species, is found in water all over the world and is perfectly harmless. But it is a distant cousin of the dreaded shrimp and lobster, shellfish whose consumption violates the biblical prohibition against eating water-borne creatures that lack fins and scales.

The prohibition refers only to species that can be seen with the unaided eye - not, say, an amoeba - and the question of whether the copepod is indeed visible is central to the dispute. Some are so small as to be invisible, while others can grow to a millimeter and a half in length, large enough to be seen in water as small white specks.

I found this observation from the article interesting:

"in a society where people feel via the Internet and television their very values are under constant attack, there's a need for people to reassert their level of religiosity, and one way this is done is by discovering new restrictions which give people the opportunity to demonstrate their adherence to their faith."

surrounded · Post by **surrounded** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:32 pm

factory raised pigs are either unclean or maybe too clean either way that soft pink meat is sad, if you ever get the chance to eat pork that was raised outdoors on good food or better yet wild pig, don't pass up the opportunity.

Chachacha · Post by **Chachacha** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:24 am

Flea wrote:This discussion reminds me of an article I read a couple of years back about small crustaceans in the NY water supply. Large enough to be seen with the unaided eye, they made tap water non-Kosher. Some people installed filters on their faucets to get them out of the water.

http://www.kosherwater.com/reprints.htm

The creature, a crustacean known as a copepod that comes in several species, is found in water all over the world and is perfectly harmless. But it is a distant cousin of the dreaded shrimp and lobster, shellfish whose consumption violates the biblical prohibition against eating water-borne creatures that lack fins and scales.

The prohibition refers only to species that can be seen with the unaided eye - not, say, an amoeba - and the question of whether the copepod is indeed visible is central to the dispute. Some are so small as to be invisible, while others can grow to a millimeter and a half in length, large enough to be seen in water as small white specks.

I found this observation from the article interesting:

"in a society where people feel via the Internet and television their very values are under constant attack, there's a need for people to reassert their level of religiosity, and one way this is done is by discovering new restrictions which give people the opportunity to demonstrate their adherence to their faith."

I have some sort of a disconnect in my brain on religious teachings: that leaders say these ridiculous things doesn't surprise me; that people repeat the ridiculous things the leaders say doesn't surprise me; but the fact that they actually believe it never ceases to amaze me.

Jay Hoover · Post by **Jay Hoover** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:56 pm

Chachacha wrote:I have some sort of a disconnect in my brain on religious teachings: that leaders say these ridiculous things doesn't surprise me; that people repeat the ridiculous things the leaders say doesn't surprise me; but the fact that they actually believe it never ceases to amaze me.

We're focused on the pig in this thread but we should never forget the real problem is that the religious are sheep.

Major Malfunction · Post by **Major Malfunction** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:16 am

Now, I just want to play on my panpipes.
I just want to drink me some wine.
As soon as you're born, you start dying,
So you might as well have a good time.

Sheep go to Heaven,
Goats go to Hell.
Sheep go to Heaven,
Goats go to Hell.

Sheep Go To Heaven - Cake

They're both tasty, wherever their souls go...

David Ben-Ariel · Post by **David Ben-Ariel** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:13 pm

Pyrrho wrote:Here in Cleveland Ohio, the closest thing the local Christian churches get to dietary laws is not eating meat on Friday during Lent... We have a lot of Catholic churches here

Catholics aren't Christian. They're unclean in their apostasy. If and whenever any individual caught in the clutches of the Roman Catholic Cult confesses and forsakes BABYLON, they'll be free to become spiritually clean and acceptable to God.

Jay Hoover · Post by **Jay Hoover** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:14 pm

David Ben-Ariel wrote:Catholics aren't Christian. They're unclean in their apostasy. If and whenever any individual caught in the clutches of the Roman Catholic Cult confesses and forsakes BABYLON, they'll be free to become spiritually clean and acceptable to God.

I love it when people like you call people like me "arrogant" for rejecting your ridiculous beliefs. According to you, we're arrogant. We are!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

bacht · Post by **bacht** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:25 pm

David Ben-Ariel wrote:Catholics aren't Christian. They're unclean in their apostasy. If and whenever any individual caught in the clutches of the Roman Catholic Cult confesses and forsakes BABYLON, they'll be free to become spiritually clean and acceptable to God.

Nice dismissal of the folks that did the dirty work for modern Evangelicals. I love the way fundies tell the Christian story: "There was this Jewish guy named Jesus who came to save the world. Then for about a thousand years nothing happened. Then this German guy named Luther came to save Christianity" etc.

We can't change the past. The "work" done by Protestants was built on the foundation of Latin Christendom. Catholics could justifiably call all Protestant churches cults and in their perspective it's true.

Chachacha · Post by **Chachacha** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:34 pm

Jay Hoover wrote:
Chachacha wrote:I have some sort of a disconnect in my brain on religious teachings: that leaders say these ridiculous things doesn't surprise me; that people repeat the ridiculous things the leaders say doesn't surprise me; but the fact that they actually believe it never ceases to amaze me.
We're focused on the pig in this thread but we should never forget the real problem is that the religious are sheep.

:D