Jesus was a Jew and Jewish!

David Ben-Ariel · Post by **David Ben-Ariel** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:47 am

Jesus was a Jew! Jesus was Jewish! This is elementary to most Bible-believers, but some have been horribly misled to believe otherwise.

Yeshua clearly identified with the Jews of His day and their religion (although correcting its errors), His physical people and tribe, and God purposely sent Him to Judah: "He came to His own [Judah], and His own [Judah] did not receive Him. But as many [Jews] as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name...(John 1:11-12) and He clearly said: "You [Gentiles] worship what you do not know; WE [Jews] know what WE [Jews]worship, for salvation is of the JEWS" (John 4:22).

Yeshua also made mention of a Jewess (who He healed) as a physical daughter of Abraham (Luke 13:16), yet those bound by Satan in his murderous lie against Yeshua's own people, the tribe of Judah, the Jews, read right over these plain Scriptures, blinded by their unwarranted hatred! Some are so twisted to even deny Yeshua is of the Tribe of Judah, as He was foretold to be, of the Royal House of David, a Jew (Romans 1:3, 2 Timothy 2:8). In fact, the sign of the virgin birth was given to the Jews, to the House of David, in Bethlehem (where David was born)- not London! (Isaiah 7:14, Matthew 2:6, John 7:42).

Peter's sermon on Shavuot/Pentecost addressed Jews in Jerusalem who had gathered from all over the world, as ethnically “Men of Israel" (Acts 2:22) and racially of the "House of Israel" (vs. 36) and preached salvation to them through Yeshua, "For the promise is to you [Judah] and to your children..."(vs. 39), even as Paul later confirmed: "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first [His own] and also for the Greek" (Romans 1:16).

Paul makes reference to those unbelieving Jews, who are part of the House of Israel, as his flesh - not just his religion (Romans 11:14). Paul acknowledged Jews as legitimate descendants of Israel, children of the Fathers (Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) for whose sakes' they remain beloved despite their present unbelief (Romans 11:28).

Jesus Was A Jew! Jesus Was Jewish!

Aztexan · Post by **Aztexan** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:04 am

I stopped into a church. I found along the way.
Well I got down on my knees. And I pretend to pray.
----California Dreamin
The Mamas and The Papas

I was lost one day. I walked for what seemed like days. Cold, alone, tired, hungry, scared. I walked. I saw a light up ahead. I headed for it. I walked. I walked. I came to the light. It was a "House of God". I felt the need to enter, to seek what was inside. I no longer felt cold, or alone, or tired, or hungry, or scared. I entered. I saw Jesus. He had his arms spread wide open for, it seemed, only me and no one else. I asked him, "Why do you stand there and welcome me? I never believed in you."
He had sad look on his face. He smiled and with his face now growing kind, he answered, "I welcome everyone who comes here"
I said, "But why don't you ever put your arms down? Surely after all these years you feel the need to rest them. Why do you hold them so far apart?
He said, "Because it means:
You must be this gullible to enter"
:P

Matthew Ellard · Post by **Matthew Ellard** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:05 am

David Ben-Ariel wrote:Jesus was a Jew! Jesus was Jewish! This is elementary to most Bible-believers, but some have been horribly misled to believe otherwise.

David are you going to inform us that the Pope is catholic next week?

Aztexan · Post by **Aztexan** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:23 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
David Ben-Ariel wrote:Jesus was a Jew! Jesus was Jewish! This is elementary to most Bible-believers, but some have been horribly misled to believe otherwise.
David are you going to inform us that the Pope is catholic next week?

http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=8327" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Actually, he does question odd beliefs at times, Matthew. Just not his own :drool:
If Jesus did exist and was anything like they make him out to be, he would hang around David here because he was into equality for all. Not some idiot who couldn't live with the inconvenience of having to see people with different skin hues. Yes, he would like David here because he accepted those that were looked down upon and kicked around and who were made to feel worthless to society. He would not care about what David does or says, just as long as David here felt the same way as he did about his fellow man and woman. And I'm 100% sure he'd probably also laugh at David's posts, too.

Chachacha · Post by **Chachacha** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:30 am

Jesus was a Jew and Jewish??? OMFG!!! Why are we just learning of this now????????????????????

Chachacha · Post by **Chachacha** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:31 am

ruben lopez wrote:I stopped into a church. I found along the way.
Well I got down on my knees. And I pretend to pray.
----California Dreamin
The Mamas and The Papas

I was lost one day. I walked for what seemed like days. Cold, alone, tired, hungry, scared. I walked. I saw a light up ahead. I headed for it. I walked. I walked. I came to the light. It was a "House of God". I felt the need to enter, to seek what was inside. I no longer felt cold, or alone, or tired, or hungry, or scared. I entered. I saw Jesus. He had his arms spread wide open for, it seemed, only me and no one else. I asked him, "Why do you stand there and welcome me? I never believed in you."
He had sad look on his face. He smiled and with his face now growing kind, he answered, "I welcome everyone who comes here"
I said, "But why don't you ever put your arms down? Surely after all these years you feel the need to rest them. Why do you hold them so far apart?
He said, "Because it means:
You must be this gullible to enter"
:P

:lol:

Jay Hoover · Post by **Jay Hoover** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:01 am

David Ben-Ariel wrote:Jesus was a Jew! Jesus was Jewish!

Please-- say it isn't so!!!

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3971 ... noooo1.jpg

Chachacha · Post by **Chachacha** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:05 am

Jay Hoover wrote:
David Ben-Ariel wrote:Jesus was a Jew! Jesus was Jewish!
Please-- say it isn't so!!!

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3971 ... noooo1.jpg

:lol:

What am I doing laughing??? I'm much too upset to laugh.

Jesus WAS* a Jew and Jewish. I mean, this turns the whole world on it's ear, right?

Why has this been hidden from us?

What are Christians ashamed of?

What are Jews ashamed of? Okay, he was more than a bit of a girlie man, but really, to be so ashamed that they would hide his true identity? It's all too much for me.

*Was? I thought Jesus was always supposed to be referred to as "is" - wait, let me guess, he was a Jew and Jewish before he began worshipping himself, is that what's being said here??? Oh he was a pistol that Jesus, a Jew and Jewish pistol, come to find out, but a pistol.

:|

ElArte · Post by **ElArte** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:27 am

Interesting post, I never understood how racists could be Christian; their explanation is:

"Jesus was a Jew - but was not of the original bloodline - Adam and Eve were white and so are we as their descendants"
But that doesn't explain why Jesus, a Jew, died for their sins. He did die for YOUR sins didn't he?

Matthew Ellard · Post by **Matthew Ellard** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:05 am

ElArte wrote:Interesting post, I never understood how racists could be Christian; their explanation is:

"Jesus was a Jew - but was not of the original bloodline - Adam and Eve were white and so are we as their descendants"
But that doesn't explain why Jesus, a Jew, died for their sins. He did die for YOUR sins didn't he?

It gets funnier. David's "evidence" for there being "white jews" is based on Joshua having "rosey red cheeks". However this is a translation problem as there were no roses in the middle east at this time. There is an extremely funny "photo page" from the Brit-Am society which shows ancient artwork featuring jews "with blond hair" although it is simply faded paint and africans in the same artwork also have blond hair. ......but don't let that stop David. Logic has nothing to do with his whacky "cult of one person".

Jay Hoover · Post by **Jay Hoover** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:31 pm

Chachacha wrote:What am I doing laughing??? I'm much too upset to laugh.

Jesus WAS* a Jew and Jewish. I mean, this turns the whole world on it's ear, right?

Why has this been hidden from us?

What are Christians ashamed of?

What are Jews ashamed of? Okay, he was more than a bit of a girlie man, but really, to be so ashamed that they would hide his true identity? It's all too much for me.

*Was? I thought Jesus was always supposed to be referred to as "is" - wait, let me guess, he was a Jew and Jewish before he began worshipping himself, is that what's being said here??? Oh he was a pistol that Jesus, a Jew and Jewish pistol, come to find out, but a pistol. :|

The whole issue is ridiculous, since there's scant evidence that Jesus even existed (cue AOL with his endless circular reasoning cut 'n' paste-olas).

It's like discussing whether or not Hercules was Roman.

Chachacha · Post by **Chachacha** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:46 pm

Jay Hoover wrote:
Chachacha wrote:What am I doing laughing??? I'm much too upset to laugh.

Jesus WAS* a Jew and Jewish. I mean, this turns the whole world on it's ear, right?

Why has this been hidden from us?

What are Christians ashamed of?

What are Jews ashamed of? Okay, he was more than a bit of a girlie man, but really, to be so ashamed that they would hide his true identity? It's all too much for me.

*Was? I thought Jesus was always supposed to be referred to as "is" - wait, let me guess, he was a Jew and Jewish before he began worshipping himself, is that what's being said here??? Oh he was a pistol that Jesus, a Jew and Jewish pistol, come to find out, but a pistol. :|
The whole issue is ridiculous, since there's scant evidence that Jesus even existed (cue AOL with his endless circular reasoning cut 'n' paste-olas).

It's like discussing whether or not Hercules was Roman.

Jay, I think you picked the wrong post to quote to make that argument, don't you? :wink:

OlegTheBatty · Post by **OlegTheBatty** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:08 pm

I think we can all agree that Conan was a Cimmerian?

brauneyz · Post by **brauneyz** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:00 pm

OlegTheBatty wrote:I think we can all agree that Conan was a Cimmerian?

Oh crap, wrong again. I thought he was a Barbarian. :mrgreen:

OlegTheBatty · Post by **OlegTheBatty** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:19 pm

brauneyz wrote:
OlegTheBatty wrote:I think we can all agree that Conan was a Cimmerian?
Oh crap, wrong again. I thought he was a Barbarian. :mrgreen:

Damn. I don't even know where Barbar is.

Ummm.... The wizard was an Oz?

Chachacha · Post by **Chachacha** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:51 pm

Isn't Barbar that rich elephant kid?

brauneyz · Post by **brauneyz** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:48 pm

Chachacha wrote:Isn't Barbar that rich elephant kid?

Hint: He's hiding with Waldo.

decreptitate777 · Post by **decreptitate777** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:37 am

Chachacha wrote:Isn't Barbar that rich elephant kid?

:lol: ...no, it is Babar...annoying cartoon on HBO...at least it was when I was a kid...

decreptitate777 · Post by **decreptitate777** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:40 am

A-number wrote:
Matthew Ellard wrote:
David Ben-Ariel wrote:Jesus was a Jew! Jesus was Jewish! This is elementary to most Bible-believers, but some have been horribly misled to believe otherwise.
David are you going to inform us that the Pope is catholic next week?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: what I love about these guys are the priceless reactions they get out of you all :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ...jeeeez ....than you Matthew :mrgreen:.

Jesus Jewy Jewinsky... :mrgreen:

Matthew Ellard · Post by **Matthew Ellard** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:22 am

decreptitate777 wrote:
Chachacha wrote:Isn't Barbar that rich elephant kid?
:lol: ...no, it is Babar...annoying cartoon on HBO...at least it was when I was a kid...

My parents made me read Babar as a kid. It was good. It was from when France had African colonies that were not killing French colonialists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babar_the_Elephant" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

rrichar911 · Post by **rrichar911** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:27 am

ruben lopez wrote:
Matthew Ellard wrote:
David Ben-Ariel wrote:Jesus was a Jew! Jesus was Jewish! This is elementary to most Bible-believers, but some have been horribly misled to believe otherwise.
David are you going to inform us that the Pope is catholic next week?

http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=8327" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Actually, he does question odd beliefs at times, Matthew. Just not his own :drool:
If Jesus did exist and was anything like they make him out to be, he would hang around David here because he was into equality for all. Not some idiot who couldn't live with the inconvenience of having to see people with different skin hues. Yes, he would like David here because he accepted those that were looked down upon and kicked around and who were made to feel worthless to society. He would not care about what David does or says, just as long as David here felt the same way as he did about his fellow man and woman. And I'm 100% sure he'd probably also laugh at David's posts, too.

How do you "make" a person feel worthless?

That is equivalent to saying , I can make you think what I want you to think. Is such a system of mind control really possible?

Jay Hoover · Post by **Jay Hoover** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:29 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
decreptitate777 wrote:
Chachacha wrote:Isn't Barbar that rich elephant kid?
:lol: ...no, it is Babar...annoying cartoon on HBO...at least it was when I was a kid...
My parents made me read Babar as a kid. It was good. It was from when France had African colonies that were not killing French colonialists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babar_the_Elephant" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here is French Tickler Barbar http://chuckstraub.com/images/ani-elefant-151-1.gif

Matthew Ellard · Post by **Matthew Ellard** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:31 am

rrichar911 wrote: How do you "make" a person feel worthless?

1) Low protein diet, ( minimum two weeks)
2) interupted sleep patterns ( minimum two weeks)
3) small amounts of LSD for disorientation.
4) reinforcement of low self esteem using repeated phrases, imagery etc

That is equivalent to saying , I can make you think what I want you to think. Is such a system of mind control really possible?

"Mind control" is crap. You can cure someone by giving them a good feed, letting them get some sleep and having a chat amongst friends.

David Ben-Ariel · Post by **David Ben-Ariel** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:15 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
David Ben-Ariel wrote:Jesus was a Jew! Jesus was Jewish! This is elementary to most Bible-believers, but some have been horribly misled to believe otherwise.
David are you going to inform us that the Pope is catholic next week?

Is it disputed?

David Ben-Ariel · Post by **David Ben-Ariel** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:26 pm

ruben lopez wrote:
Matthew Ellard wrote:
David Ben-Ariel wrote:Jesus was a Jew! Jesus was Jewish! This is elementary to most Bible-believers, but some have been horribly misled to believe otherwise.
David are you going to inform us that the Pope is catholic next week?

http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=8327" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Actually, he does question odd beliefs at times, Matthew. Just not his own

How dead wrong you are...again. It is precisely because I have dared to question EVERYTHING that I now have the beliefs that I do and have rejected traditional Christianity's baptized paganism.

A Higher Calling: Quest for the Kingdom of God

If Jesus did exist and was anything like they make him out to be, he would hang around David here because he was into equality for all. Not some idiot who couldn't live with the inconvenience of having to see people with different skin hues.

It appears you've fallen for another Jesus, just like most professing Christians. I'll bet your "Jesus" even smokes pot and puts flowers in peoples' hair...
Despite warnings about another Jesus, different gospels and spirits, the rise of a counterfeit Christianity has deceived the whole world...

Apostate Christians

Yeshua, the God of Israel, the I AM - is the One who decreed segregation for the nations to protect and preserve our God-given diversity that self-righteous and liberal people seek to destroy. Adultery is still a sin. It's in everybody's best interests to segregate now.

Both history and the Bible clearly teach we are not all equal when it comes to gifts and abilities, whether as individuals or races or nations, but we all share the same ultimate potential to be born again into the divine Kingdom-Family of God. Yet your kind always ignores I teach this plain truth, don't you? You cherry pick what you please to pimp your godless agenda, a self-righteous campaign destined to fail.

Aztexan · Post by **Aztexan** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:39 pm

Somewhere in the Hall of Scientific Legends and Geniuses, probably near a restroom or an exit is a little known room dedicated to a pair of scientists who were in a class by themselves: the greatly respected and immensly admired inter-continental scientific team of Drs. Ellard and Lopez. Sure, most of their experiments ended up with one or both of them in the emergency room, massive amounts of alcohol and natural herbs consumed, thier lab assistants either horribly disfigured or impregnated (one was both) and considerable destruction of equipment and property, but the one thing they should have won a Nobel Prize for was their having proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that you, David, are not sane.

HghrSymmetry · Post by **HghrSymmetry** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:01 pm

Pssst!
Rube,
The mental side effects of protease inhibitors are often horrendous.

OlegTheBatty · Post by **OlegTheBatty** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:18 pm

ruben lopez wrote:Somewhere in the Hall of Scientific Legends and Geniuses, probably near a restroom or an exit is a little known room dedicated to a pair of scientists who were in a class by themselves: the greatly respected and immensly admired inter-continental scientific team of Drs. Ellard and Lopez. Sure, most of their experiments ended up with one or both of them in the emergency room, massive amounts of alcohol and natural herbs consumed, thier lab assistants either horribly disfigured or impregnated (one was both) and considerable destruction of equipment and property, but the one thing they should have won a Nobel Prize for was their having proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that you, David, are not sane.

You're still in the running. December 10, each year, get your hopes up.

However, you will have some stiff competition:

Mathematics - Ernst Von Danzig for his proof that a circle is round.
Physics - Archibald Bud and Ingrid Miller for establishing that light is light and lite is lite.
Chemistry - Jean-Pierre D'Arquebus for showing that adding water to a lawn, in the heat of summer, can keep it green.
Peace - Head Referee Sergei Pushenshov for breaking up a fight in a hockey game.
Medicine - Zaya Ratzlaff for her chicken soup recipe.
Economics - Bernard Madoff

Aztexan · Post by **Aztexan** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:23 pm

HghrSymmetry wrote:Pssst!
Rube,
The mental side effects of protease inhibitors are often horrendous.

evidences?

Aztexan · Post by **Aztexan** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:26 pm

OlegTheBatty wrote:
ruben lopez wrote:Somewhere in the Hall of Scientific Legends and Geniuses, probably near a restroom or an exit is a little known room dedicated to a pair of scientists who were in a class by themselves: the greatly respected and immensly admired inter-continental scientific team of Drs. Ellard and Lopez. Sure, most of their experiments ended up with one or both of them in the emergency room, massive amounts of alcohol and natural herbs consumed, thier lab assistants either horribly disfigured or impregnated (one was both) and considerable destruction of equipment and property, but the one thing they should have won a Nobel Prize for was their having proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that you, David, are not sane.
You're still in the running. December 10, each year, get your hopes up.

However, you will have some stiff competition:

Mathematics - Ernst Von Danzig for his proof that a circle is round.
Physics - Archibald Bud and Ingrid Miller for establishing that light is light and lite is lite.
Chemistry - Jean-Pierre D'Arquebus for showing that adding water to a lawn, in the heat of summer, can keep it green.
Peace - Head Referee Sergei Pushenshov for breaking up a fight in a hockey game.
Medicine - Zaya Ratzlaff for her chicken soup recipe.
Economics - Bernard Madoff

Brilliant, though the test subject himself now has some stiff competition in the battiest poster theory :P

HghrSymmetry · Post by **HghrSymmetry** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:50 pm

ruben lopez wrote:
HghrSymmetry wrote:Pssst!
Rube,
The mental side effects of protease inhibitors are often horrendous.

evidences?

Any post by DBA.

Chachacha · Post by **Chachacha** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:24 am

HghrSymmetry wrote:
ruben lopez wrote:
HghrSymmetry wrote:Pssst!
Rube,
The mental side effects of protease inhibitors are often horrendous.

evidences?
Any post by DBA.

Doing business as?

Martin Brock · Post by **Martin Brock** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:45 am

Jesus was Jewish, so the whole idea of an incarnate God must have seemed nonsensical to him, thus he says, "Render to Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's."

HghrSymmetry · Post by **HghrSymmetry** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 2:33 am

Chachacha wrote: Doing business as?

The resident deviant demented doom diviner?

Aztexan · Post by **Aztexan** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 4:22 am

or the resident hostile hapless harbinger of hate

Chachacha · Post by **Chachacha** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:15 am

:lol: Youse guys!

What/who does "DBA" stand for?

HghrSymmetry · Post by **HghrSymmetry** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:54 am

Chachacha wrote:
What/who does "DBA" stand for?

Er, the author of this thread silly!

brauneyz · Post by **brauneyz** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:49 pm

Chachacha wrote::lol: Youse guys!

What/who does "DBA" stand for?

Silly girl from RI, by way of NJ, all this time youse didn't know what DBA was? :lol:

I use DBA to differentiate him from the other David who posts, um, alternative views over in the holocaust threads.

Post by **Pyrrho** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 3:16 pm

Martin Brock wrote:Jesus was Jewish, so the whole idea of an incarnate God must have seemed nonsensical to him, thus he says, "Render to Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's."

Someone--I think it was Marvin Harris--interpreted that statement as a revolutionary call to free the Jewish people from Roman rule.

OlegTheBatty · Post by **OlegTheBatty** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 3:28 pm

Pyrrho wrote:
Martin Brock wrote:Jesus was Jewish, so the whole idea of an incarnate God must have seemed nonsensical to him, thus he says, "Render to Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's."
Someone--I think it was Marvin Harris--interpreted that statement as a revolutionary call to free the Jewish people from Roman rule.

That's an interesting slant, considering Matthew Ellard's hypothesis that the Jesus cult grew out of a Julius Caesar cult.