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Post by JO 753 » Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:21 am

I went to bed around 8 pm and didnt wake up til 3:30 am, so I missed the impeachment vote. Oddly, I'm not finding anything about it. No Youtube vid, no mention on MSNBC, WaPo, Fox. wuzzupwidat? :?
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:37 am

Nothing about that on this planet.
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Post by JO 753 » Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:43 am

O ye, I forgot. We're in the evil timeline.
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Post by JO 753 » Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:53 am

Fun fact: 'impeach haz nothing to do with peachez.

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The word "impeachment" derives from Old French empeechier from Latin impedicare expressing the idea of becoming caught or entrapped, and has analogues in the modern French verb empêcher (to prevent) and the modern English impede. Medieval popular etymology also associated it (wrongly) with derivations from the Latin impetere (to attack). (In its more frequent and more technical usage, impeachment of a witness means challenging the honesty or credibility of that person.)

Impeachment was first used in the British political system.[citation needed] Specifically, the process was first used by the English "Good Parliament" against Baron Latimer in the second half of the 14th century. Following the British example, the constitutions of Virginia (1776), Massachusetts (1780) and other states thereafter adopted the impeachment mechanism, but they restricted the punishment to removal of the official from office. As well, in private organizations, a motion to impeach can be used to prefer charges.
So much for the 'etymolojy' defens for stoopid English spelling.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:52 pm

Yea butt you can impede someone by throwing peaches at them.....or use the pits with a sling shot. The connection is still quite close.
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Post by JO 753 » Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:56 pm

Good point. (here in the stoopid evil universe)
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Post by Austin Harper » Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:29 pm

JO 753 wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:53 am
Fun fact: 'impeach haz nothing to do with peachez.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment
The word "impeachment" derives from Old French empeechier from Latin impedicare expressing the idea of becoming caught or entrapped, and has analogues in the modern French verb empêcher (to prevent) and the modern English impede. Medieval popular etymology also associated it (wrongly) with derivations from the Latin impetere (to attack). (In its more frequent and more technical usage, impeachment of a witness means challenging the honesty or credibility of that person.)

Impeachment was first used in the British political system.[citation needed] Specifically, the process was first used by the English "Good Parliament" against Baron Latimer in the second half of the 14th century. Following the British example, the constitutions of Virginia (1776), Massachusetts (1780) and other states thereafter adopted the impeachment mechanism, but they restricted the punishment to removal of the official from office. As well, in private organizations, a motion to impeach can be used to prefer charges.
So much for the 'etymolojy' defens for stoopid English spelling.
Well it's not a defense, it's an explanation. And giving an example of etymology isn't any kind of rebuttal for it.
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Post by JO 753 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:13 pm

You see, if you are enforsing a spesific spelling, you dont get to toss that rule out the window wen suppozedly divining the roots and meaning.
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Post by Gord » Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:50 pm

JO 753 wrote:
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You see, if you are enforsing a spesific spelling, you dont get to toss that rule out the window wen suppozedly divining the roots and meaning.
You realised you're arguing against your own cause, right? Modern spellings are the results of past standardisation attempts.
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Post by JO 753 » Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:24 am

The etymolojy argument agenst NQaLF iz that it duznt offer the current spelling'z fasility to derive the meaning uv unfamiliar wordz; that the particular andor superfluous letterz are essential to each word'z history and connectionz to other wordz.

Az you can see in the abuv example, the 'a' majicly disapearz, the ch suddenly turnz to de, and abracadabra impeach iz connected to impede!
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Post by Gord » Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:11 am

That's one argument. Another is that your alphabet enforces one pronunciation when there are actually multiple ways that people say the words. Current spellings are based on how words used to be pronounced, but they don't enforce those pronunciations anymore by the way they're spelt. We can look at word like "knight" and say, "look how they used to pronounce that word; they used every letter." And yet, we can understand that words ending in -ight can be pronounced "-ite". It's become one of the loose rules in the English language: bight, fight, knight, light, etc. The etymologies of these words preserve the older pronunciations without enforcing them.
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Post by JO 753 » Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:43 am

The only thing NQaLF enforsez iz the sound each letter reprezents. It can help to keep mispronunsiationz from taking root, but if for exampl 'aks' eventually bekumz the aksepted way to say 'ask', thats how it will be spelt in the dictionary.

Prezerving ancient pronunsiation history iz outstandingly worthless. No day to day utility for the public. Plus there are so many exeptionz that its garanteed to make the budding English professor look like a fool wen he'z expounding on the subject.

Bak on topic- I see the Demz havent impeached yet.

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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:20 pm

Well, Pelosi STILL isn't officially in office, for a few more hours. She did say indictments and impeachment are definitely on the table, so we'll see...
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Post by scrmbldggs » Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:10 pm

JO 753 wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:43 am
...Prezerving ancient pronunsiation history iz outstandingly worthless...
Not if it can help bigly in tracing a word back to its origin?
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Post by Poodle » Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:11 pm

JO 753 wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:43 am
... Prezerving ancient pronunsiation history iz outstandingly worthless. No day to day utility for the public. Plus there are so many exeptionz that its garanteed to make the budding English professor look like a fool wen he'z expounding on the subject ...
I've mentioned before that you're way out on this one, JO. It's historically essential. It's worth knowing how Leicester or Gloucester (for instance) were pronounced (and we can know that from historical mentions) for sound linguistic reasons. It's also historically critical, as the spelling gives away the fact that both were Roman settlements. Call them Lester and Gloster and any clue has disappeared.
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Post by scrmbldggs » Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:17 pm

That same will happen to Imorangement! :oldman:
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Post by JO 753 » Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:05 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:10 pm
Not if it can help bigly in tracing a word back to its origin?
Even IF it coud. Just the ink wasted on 1 word, 'light' insted uv 'LiT' for 1 yir iz more than the entire hobby iz worth, let alone the entire leksikon for the last 400 yirz. Let alone the many other greater expensez.

And it can not by any reazonable standard uv reliability. Plain and simple, if you want to know word and name history, dont goof around with gessing gamez, buy sum books.
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Post by Pyrrho » Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:07 pm

Back in my day, peaches had beards.
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Post by Gord » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:29 pm

Pyrrho wrote:
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Back in my day, peaches had beards.
You should not wax your peach.
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