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Florida Bomber / "Deep State"

Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:19 am

Two of the pipe bombs were sent to John Brennan ( former director of the CIA) and James Clapper (Former director of the DNI). This was because there is a Fox News conspiracy theory called the "Deep State" conspiracy, where Clapper and Brennan are "secretly conspiring to overthrow Donald Trump" .
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The conspiracy makes no sense as neither Brennan or Clapper work in government anymore and no one can explain how the conspiracy is meant to work or how it communicates or who is meant to be in charge.

Cesar Altieri Sayoc, the Florida bomber watched Fox News and, based on this Fox conspiracy, that made no sense, decided to kill John Brennan and James Clapper. We now know that Sayoc followed many conspiracies both on Fox and those issued by Trump's Whitehouse.

I think Tom Palven can help us as he believes the Deep State conspiracy is real. Tom can tell us all the details he has discovered about this conspiracy, over the last two years he has been spamming it on our forum.
Tom Palven wrote:"Clapper and Brennan would still be lying their asses off before Congress if they hadn't been outed by people like Snowden, Manning, Greenwald, and Assange."
Tom Palven wrote:"BUT THE TRUTH. John Brennan, James Clapper, and their "coordinating committee"are PROVEN distributors of disinformation. Proven to be shameless liars ."
Tom Palven wrote:John Brennan, Dick Cheney, James Clapper, Bibi Netanyahu, and the cabal that runs the CIA
Tom Palven wrote:However, according to Matt Ellard, anyway, if you believe that there is a Clapper/Brennan neoconservative secret police steering committee that runs US foreign policy, once again, you are just a poor lost soul.
Tom Palven wrote: Are your opinions handed down by God, or merely by ASIS, a handmaiden of the Brennan-Clapper CIA?
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Matthew Ellard wrote:Name one person who belongs to this "Deep State" that you and Sean Hannity claim is the real enemy of Trump?
Tom Palven wrote:James Clapper.
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So Tom Palven. You are also from Florida and a conspiracy theorist who believes in Fox News "Deep State". What is your evidence that the conspiracy exists and what is your evidence John Brennan and James Clapper are secret members?
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Re: Florida Bomber / "Deep State"

Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:47 am

Fox News / Hitler was a socialist and war monger / All Socialists are warmongers.

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Tom Palven. I see you are reluctant to explain why you copy Fox News "Deep State" propaganda onto our forum. Perhaps you would like to explain why you copy the other Fox News propaganda onto our forum that Hitler was a socialist and thus all socialists are therefore evil.
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Tom Palven wrote:"No one would dispute that Hitler was the leader of the National Socialist German Workers Party who claimed to be a socialist , in addition to claiming to love altruism and to want a classless society"
Tom Palven wrote:"As leader of the National Socialist German Workers Party Adolph Hitler was an avowed socialist and also a warmonger."
Tom Palven wrote:"Hitler called himself a socialist, too, and was the leader of the Natiional Socialist Labor Party,"
(Note that Tom forged the last translation to "Labor party" to suggest members of the UK and Australian Labor Party are like Hitler)

However.......
1) Hitler didn't speak English and never said he was a "socialist."
2) Hitler had socialists arrested and sent to Dachau concentration camp starting 1933
3) The German word "Nationalsozialistische" (NAZI) does not translate as "socialist".
4) Executing Jews, gypsies and socialists does not support Tom's claim claim Hitler wanted a classless society.


This Fox News / Tom Palven " Hitler was a Socialist and Warmonger" lie is from 2011


Hitler, Nazis, Socialism, and Rightwing Propaganda / David Klein / January 2011
https://www.csun.edu/~vcmth00m/NazismSocialism.html
"For several years, the right wing has been equating nazism, the left, and socialism. This is standard propaganda for Fox News and the Tea Party which both denounce Obama as a socialist and at the same time portray him visually with a Hitler mustache."

"Hitler and the Nazis outlawed socialism, and executed socialists and communists en masse, even before they started rounding up Jews. In 1933, the Dachau concentration camp held socialists and leftists exclusively. The Nazis arrested more than 11,000 Germans for "illegal socialist activity" in 1936."

Tom Palven? Do you still claim Hitler publicly stated he was a socialist?
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Re: Florida Bomber / "Deep State"

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:32 am

Their exploration into the character of NSDAP policies ends at the name.
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Re: Florida Bomber / "Deep State"

Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:54 am

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Tom Palven wrote:"Clapper and Brennan would still be lying their asses off before Congress if they hadn't been outed by people like Snowden, Manning, Greenwald, and Assange."
Tom Palven wrote:"BUT THE TRUTH. John Brennan, James Clapper, and their "coordinating committee"are PROVEN distributors of disinformation. Proven to be shameless liars ."
Tom Palven wrote:John Brennan, Dick Cheney, James Clapper, Bibi Netanyahu, and the cabal that runs the CIA
Tom Palven wrote:However, according to Matt Ellard, anyway, if you believe that there is a Clapper/Brennan neoconservative secret police steering committee that runs US foreign policy, once again, you are just a poor lost soul.
Tom Palven wrote: Are your opinions handed down by God, or merely by ASIS, a handmaiden of the Brennan-Clapper CIA?
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Matthew Ellard wrote:Name one person who belongs to this "Deep State" that you and Sean Hannity claim is the real enemy of Trump?
Tom Palven wrote:James Clapper.
Hey Tom Palven? Do you believe that James Clapper, John Brennan and Barack Obama are "fair game" and OK to send pipe bombs to?

Do you still support, with Gorgeous, all the conspiracy crap in the bomber's car?
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Re: Florida Bomber / "Deep State"

Post by Martin Brock » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:40 pm

This bomber looks like a Trumpster diving nut (as well as a lousy bomb maker), but if a "Deep State" undermining Trump is a mythical conspiracy theory, you need to let the N.Y. Times editorial board know about it.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1LL32W

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Re: Florida Bomber / "Deep State"

Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:13 am

Martin Brock wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:40 pm
This bomber looks like a Trumpster diving nut (as well as a lousy bomb maker), but if a "Deep State" undermining Trump is a mythical conspiracy theory, you need to let the N.Y. Times editorial board know about it.
Martin Brock? Can you describe this Deep State conspiracy to us? Tom Palven refuses to do so. As you and Tom are like minded souls who think the "Deep State" is real, perhaps you could work together on this project. :lol: :lol:

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Re: Florida Bomber / "Deep State"

Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:50 am

Matthew Ellard wrote: Tom Palven? Do you still claim Hitler publicly stated he was a socialist?
Well that was weird. After I made this post we got a full on holocaust denying idiot who claimed he was a "National Socialist", the holocaust never happened, Hitler was socialist and Jews were untermensch.
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Pyrrho just banned him. :lol:

(I don't think this person was "well in the head".) :lol: