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Post by landrew » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:40 pm

I haven't seen any pro-Trump postings on this forum, (not that I couldn't have missed them) which may be a bit of an anomaly in an online political thread nowadays. Are we all of the Leftist tribe of Hillary fans? Or have we all passed the virtual IQ test (signing up to this forum) which negates us from the Trump fan club, by virtue of observing his vacuous character? I submit that it's the latter, and before this presidency, there had been a fairly representative distribution of left vs. right among the members.
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I tried to explain how Trump won as a result of gerrymandering and the other person called me an Alex Jones acolyte. I was surprised he knew the word.
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Post by Poodle » Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:53 pm

Not all of us are American, and I believe it's impossible to be pro-Trump unless you ARE American - and then only if you have a hole where your brains should be.



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Poodle wrote:Not all of us are American, and I believe it's impossible to be pro-Trump unless you ARE American - and then only if you have a hole where your brains should be.



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Post by landrew » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:33 pm

Poodle wrote:Not all of us are American, and I believe it's impossible to be pro-Trump unless you ARE American - and then only if you have a hole where your brains should be.



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Not necessarily pro-Trump in a US electoral or polling sense. Trump has a way of rankling people of other nations as well. Not many Brits are as pro-Trump as some of them were pro-Reagan, and Mexico has had their share of frustrations as well. I don't think Canada considers him even a fair-weather friend either.
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Post by scrmbldggs » Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:09 pm

I've heard some non-American voices that were sorta kinda Trump-friendly (and also even more ignorant of actual - as opposed to alternative ones - facts as so many of his 'murican supporters are). What struck me as very funny was that those guys are also quite xenophobic, regardless of origin of their objects of antipathy. :lol:
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Post by scrmbldggs » Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:17 pm

landrew wrote:I haven't seen any pro-Trump postings on this forum, (not that I couldn't have missed them) which may be a bit of an anomaly in an online political thread nowadays.
There have been a few, georgie among them. But, apparently, they gave up*, not finding any fertile ground here. And/or the "battles" they were craving.



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Post by Gord » Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:42 am

I've disliked Trump ever since I first heard about him, when he went bust trying to run a casino in Las Vegas. The effect of his voice upon me was to imagine a whiny, self-important, delusional, narcissistic, lying, selfish, self-indulgent, unnaturally overconfident conman. Naturally I didn't believe my first impression, but I still didn't like him and wanted to stay away from him rather than be forced to reconsider that first impression.

I'm usually a bad judge of character when it comes to selfish bastards like Trump, but even I could see it. That's why I'm so surprised that he's managed to take in so many people! It's mind-boggling. I was so stunned by the insanity of the American voters that I broke out laughing when he won the election.
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scrmbldggs wrote:I've heard some non-American voices that were sorta kinda Trump-friendly (and also even more ignorant of actual - as opposed to alternative ones - facts as so many of his 'murican supporters are). What struck me as very funny was that those guys are also quite xenophobic, regardless of origin of their objects of antipathy. :lol:
I wouldn't be surprised at all if there were a strong correlation found between low IQ and Trump support.
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Post by landrew » Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:53 am

Gord wrote:I've disliked Trump ever since I first heard about him, when he went bust trying to run a casino in Las Vegas. The effect of his voice upon me was to imagine a whiny, self-important, delusional, narcissistic, lying, selfish, self-indulgent, unnaturally overconfident conman. Naturally I didn't believe my first impression, but I still didn't like him and wanted to stay away from him rather than be forced to reconsider that first impression.

I'm usually a bad judge of character when it comes to selfish bastards like Trump, but even I could see it. That's why I'm so surprised that he's managed to take in so many people! It's mind-boggling. I was so stunned by the insanity of the American voters that I broke out laughing when he won the election.
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Post by scrmbldggs » Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:38 am

Gord wrote:I've disliked Trump ever since I first heard about him...
...and his then wife and mother of anchor babies Don, Iwanka & Eric. (I leave it to others to read that acronym :-P)

Never cared for or about him, never watched any of his teevee stuff and am slightly offended about the sudden and ongoing onslaught on my visual, auditory, aesthetic and ethical senses by that... thing.
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Post by landrew » Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:35 am

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Gord wrote:I've disliked Trump ever since I first heard about him...
...and his wife and mother of anchor babies Don, Iwanka & Eric. (I leave it to others to read that acronym :-P)

Never cared for or about him, never watched any of his teevee stuff and am slightly offended about the sudden and ongoing onslaught on my visual, auditory, aesthetic and ethical senses by that... thing.
Trump still thinks his ratings from The Apprentice were a ringing endorsement of his leadership and management skills and his business acumen. Actually, a lot of us were tuning in out of morbid curiosity, to see which scruples were being punished, and which treachery was being rewarded each week.
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Post by scrmbldggs » Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:02 am

Seems many of his adoring followers are also stuck in still "living" that teevee illusion.
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Post by gorgeous » Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:54 am

here are the low iq's.....
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Nosism it is now, eh.
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Post by ElectricMonk » Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:43 am

It is impossible to support Trump without dangerous levels of Cognitive Dissonance.
It is also impossibly to read the transcript of a Trump speech and not think "What the {!#%@}?!?".

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Post by Poodle » Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:51 am

gorgeous wrote:here are the low iq's.....
You don't get it, Gorgeous. I've lived through a lot of US Presidents - Harry S. Truman was the man when I was born. Some have been good, some have been bad, some have been mediocre. But even Tricky Dicky was, first and foremost, a politician. But Trump? He's nothing more than a crook with money. The rest of the world is laughing its socks off - but only because he's over there with you and not here with us. Believe me, he's nothing to be proud of.

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landrew wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:I've heard some non-American voices that were sorta kinda Trump-friendly (and also even more ignorant of actual - as opposed to alternative ones - facts as so many of his 'murican supporters are). What struck me as very funny was that those guys are also quite xenophobic, regardless of origin of their objects of antipathy. :lol:
I wouldn't be surprised at all if there were a strong correlation found between low IQ and Trump support.
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Post by gorgeous » Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:06 pm

still the president....yes, first non - politician won against the robot Hillary...why? condescending media and Hillary...just like the rest of you...saying half the country have low iq's.....despicable...Trump was smarter than all the elites and moron media...he knew...
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He's smarter than you, but so is a bowl of chocolate pudding.
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Post by gorgeous » Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:54 pm

I was tested...have a very high iq....I was smarter than all of you...said trump was serious and would win...
Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity.

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gorgeous wrote:I was tested...have a very high iq....I was smarter than all of you...said trump was serious and would win...
B doesn't follow from A, and I don't believe A, so you have nothing.
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Post by gorgeous » Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:26 pm

no one asked you
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Wrong.
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Poodle wrote:Not all of us are American, and I believe it's impossible to be pro-Trump unless you ARE American - and then only if you have a hole where your brains should be.



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I listen to the British call in radio show with James O’Brien on LBC mostly everyday. Seems to me that those that are pro Brexit, are also pro Trump.

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:wave: Hey, from! Great to see you pop in. :soppy:
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Hello, Eggs, good to see you too. How have you been?

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gorgeous wrote:no one asked you
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fromthehills wrote:Hello, Eggs, good to see you too. How have you been?
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gorgeous wrote:I was tested...have a very high iq....I was smarter than all of you...
You idiot. You can't even count. If FDR dies in 1945 how did he meet with the Roswell Aliens in 1947 as you claimed? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by TJrandom » Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:28 am

There was a thread on seaweed fertiliser - that seaweed having been nourished by whale dung... Trump is in competition with the bacterium that feeds on the whale dung.

Tribal enough?

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TJrandom wrote:There was a thread on seaweed fertiliser - that seaweed having been nourished by whale dung... Trump is in competition with the bacterium that feeds on the whale dung.

Tribal enough?
I was talking about the tribalism that has overtaken politics. The notion that "our side" (our tribe) is always right, and the other "tribe" is always wrong. It's obvious every time you see the mindless rancor going on between Trumpites, and non-Trumpites, and the immediate response to criticism of Trump is to attack Hillary. It's not about what's right or wrong, it's all about battling the other side all the time. The business of running the country is not a sporting event.
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landrew wrote:
TJrandom wrote:There was a thread on seaweed fertiliser - that seaweed having been nourished by whale dung... Trump is in competition with the bacterium that feeds on the whale dung.

Tribal enough?
I was talking about the tribalism that has overtaken politics. The notion that "our side" (our tribe) is always right, and the other "tribe" is always wrong. It's obvious every time you see the mindless rancor going on between Trumpites, and non-Trumpites, and the immediate response to criticism of Trump is to attack Hillary. It's not about what's right or wrong, it's all about battling the other side all the time. The business of running the country is not a sporting event.
Agreed - should not be. But when the other side is primarily comprised of racist tea partying anarchists, it is hard to be other than tribal. The tribe brings strength in numbers. If one thought the other side cared about society instead of just wining for personal gain, then tribalism might be bad.

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TJrandom wrote:
landrew wrote:
TJrandom wrote:There was a thread on seaweed fertiliser - that seaweed having been nourished by whale dung... Trump is in competition with the bacterium that feeds on the whale dung.

Tribal enough?
I was talking about the tribalism that has overtaken politics. The notion that "our side" (our tribe) is always right, and the other "tribe" is always wrong. It's obvious every time you see the mindless rancor going on between Trumpites, and non-Trumpites, and the immediate response to criticism of Trump is to attack Hillary. It's not about what's right or wrong, it's all about battling the other side all the time. The business of running the country is not a sporting event.
Agreed - should not be. But when the other side is primarily comprised of racist tea partying anarchists, it is hard to be other than tribal. The tribe brings strength in numbers. If one thought the other side cared about society instead of just wining for personal gain, then tribalism might be bad.
How will that help? Shouldn't we all try harder to be the adult in the room?
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landrew wrote:
TJrandom wrote:
landrew wrote:
TJrandom wrote:There was a thread on seaweed fertiliser - that seaweed having been nourished by whale dung... Trump is in competition with the bacterium that feeds on the whale dung.

Tribal enough?
I was talking about the tribalism that has overtaken politics. The notion that "our side" (our tribe) is always right, and the other "tribe" is always wrong. It's obvious every time you see the mindless rancor going on between Trumpites, and non-Trumpites, and the immediate response to criticism of Trump is to attack Hillary. It's not about what's right or wrong, it's all about battling the other side all the time. The business of running the country is not a sporting event.
Agreed - should not be. But when the other side is primarily comprised of racist tea partying anarchists, it is hard to be other than tribal. The tribe brings strength in numbers. If one thought the other side cared about society instead of just wining for personal gain, then tribalism might be bad.
How will that help? Shouldn't we all try harder to be the adult in the room?
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:38 am

landrew wrote:I haven't seen any pro-Trump postings on this forum,
Xouper was pro-trump and argued strongly for Trump, mainly concerning guns. He stopped posting in December 2017.

The Venerable Kwan Tom Woo was extremely pro-Trump, mainly concerning Trump ending "the Islamic Threat". He also ran and still runs an anti Islamic website called "Citizen Warrior" which is classified as extremist. He stopped posting November 2017 after being outed as pretending to be Australian on other forums.

Gorgeous is pro-Trump simply to get a reaction, as no one would pay any attention to him otherwise.

Tom Palven pretends to be anti-war, but was simply copying Fox pro-Trump propaganda here. He saw himself as "tea Party" or "Libertarian" but was simply extremely conservative. He never actually used the word Trump.

The anti holocaust denial sub forum had a range of "drive by" posters saying "Vote for Trump" but they seemed to disappear once Trump got voted in. I guess because Kushner is a Jew.

I think all theses people had their own different confused agendas Trump simply became their "excuse" to express themselves openly. All the holocaust deniers disappeared from the Anti-holocaust denial sub-forum when Trump became the republican candidate. Once Trump is gone we will see holocaust deniers returning.

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landrew wrote:I haven't seen any pro-Trump postings on this forum,
Xouper was pro-trump and argued strongly for Trump, mainly concerning guns. He stopped posting in December 2017.

The Venerable Kwan Tom Woo was extremely pro-Trump, mainly concerning Trump ending "the Islamic Threat". He also ran and still runs an anti Islamic website called "Citizen Warrior" which is classified as extremist. He stopped posting November 2017 after being outed as pretending to be Australian on other forums.

Gorgeous is pro-Trump simply to get a reaction, as no one would pay any attention to him otherwise.

Tom Palven pretends to be anti-war, but was simply copying Fox pro-Trump propaganda here. He saw himself as "tea Party" or "Libertarian" but was simply extremely conservative. He never actually used the word Trump.

The anti holocaust denial sub forum had a range of "drive by" posters saying "Vote for Trump" but they seemed to disappear once Trump got voted in. I guess because Kushner is a Jew.

I think all theses people had their own different confused agendas Trump simply became their "excuse" to express themselves openly. All the holocaust deniers disappeared from the Anti-holocaust denial sub-forum when Trump became the republican candidate. Once Trump is gone we will see holocaust deniers returning.
Damn, I didn’t think Xouper would go full Trump.

But the rest seems contrary to what we are dealing with in the US. With the rise of trump, there is a rise I. Racists and bigots of all sorts feeling empowered to speak out more.

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Post by scrmbldggs » Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:14 am

Not sure if xoup went full Trump, but he seemed a little overly Trump-friendly. Struck me as odd. :pardon:
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scrmbldggs wrote:Not sure if xoup went full Trump, but he seemed a little overly Trump-friendly. Struck me as odd. :pardon:
Thanks, that’s a bit better than what I was thinking. And it is tribalism. I’m picking a side. I side with the well-being of the greatest good for the most people. When I started on this forum I considered myself libertarian. I can’t justify that any longer.

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Erm. Caveat wasn’t the right word, either. I was qualifying , erm, I {!#%@} up and wrote in a hillbilly manner. {!#%@} went south real quick once I started thinking with my brain. Weren’t no room left for word talkin
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Post by scrmbldggs » Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:44 am

It's that weirdo with the poodlish hairdo who's been cozying up to the guy with the dead squirrel on his head, innit. :-P
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