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Post by Tom Palven » Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:57 am

Great video and text of Elizabeth Warren taking on the "defense establishment" and endorsing withdrawal from Syria and Afghanistan on the Rachel Maddow show:
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/0 ... /23633027/

Jim Webb for her VP?
https://www.theamericanconservative.com ... -jim-webb/
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Post by gorgeous » Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:36 pm

fox----2020 hopeful Beto O’Rourke questions relevancy of Constitution in widely mocked interview
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Post by OlegTheBatty » Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:57 pm

gorgeous wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:36 pm
fox----2020 hopeful Beto O’Rourke questions relevancy of Constitution in widely mocked interview
You should run, gorgeous. Just think how much campaign money you would save by astral travelling to rallies, while your opponents have to take the bus. You could win support by planting 'vote for gorgeous' memes in people's heads using your ESP talents.

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Post by TJrandom » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:00 pm

There is hope… The 2020 election should turn out to be a bloodbath for Republicans. While all Representatives are up for re-election, there are more Republican Senators up for re-election than are Democratic Senators – 22 vs 12. And the Democratic leaning populous is fired up – far beyond what they were in 2016 and 2018, given Trumps and the Republican Party shenanigans. Plus, it doesn’t look like the little boy will learn to stop lying and throwing temper tantrums any time soon.

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Post by ElectricMonk » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:22 pm

I fear that instead of just Bernie-Bros, we'll get an entire plethora of partisan Democrat supporters, all upset that their one candidate out of 20+ wasn't given the chance they should have.
They might not stay home on election day, but neither will they help bring out the vote.

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Post by TJrandom » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:38 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:22 pm
I fear that instead of just Bernie-Bros, we'll get an entire plethora of partisan Democrat supporters, all upset that their one candidate out of 20+ wasn't given the chance they should have.
They might not stay home on election day, but neither will they help bring out the vote.
If the Democratic Party adopts... democracy, and lets the primaries determine the candidate - instead of party elites, then just maybe that can be avoided?

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:48 pm

TJrandom wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:38 pm
... lets the primaries determine the candidate - instead of party elites ...

What exactly do you think a "political party" is?
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Post by TJrandom » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:55 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:48 pm
TJrandom wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:38 pm
... lets the primaries determine the candidate - instead of party elites ...

What exactly do you think a "political party" is?
Daley the Elder wrote:If you can't take care of your friends, who can you take care of?
And on another occasion (this is particularly relevant for Bernie fans) ...
Don't want nobody nobody sent.
That Party is... either that happy event after the election or the downer one where everybody cries into their beer. No? ;)

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Post by JO 753 » Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:30 pm

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Post by gorgeous » Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:04 pm

fox-----Harris' dad slams her remarks on smoking weed and being Jamaican------Harris' father, Donald, disapproved of the comments, which he told the Jamaica Global Online constituted "identity politics."

"My dear departed grandmothers ... as well as my deceased parents, must be turning in their grave right now to see their family’s name, reputation and proud Jamaican identity being connected, in any way, jokingly or not with the fraudulent stereotype of a pot-smoking joy seeker and in the pursuit of identity politics," he said

Donald Harris continued: "Speaking for myself and my immediate Jamaican family, we wish to categorically dissociate ourselves from this travesty.”
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Post by scrmbldggs » Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:42 pm

They're just trying to divert attention away from this...
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Post by gorgeous » Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:42 pm

Dr. Drew Pinskey said something about Beto seemed off....he was right.... -----
Young Beto O'Rourke wrote 'murder fantasy' about running over ...


https://www.foxnews.com/.../beto-orourk ... -part-of-f...

3 days ago - A 15-year-old Beto O’Rourke once wrote a "murder fantasy" short story about running over two children with a car, according to a new report that also revealed the now-presidential candidate was a member of a famous hacking group.
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Post by gorgeous » Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:45 pm

According to Reuters reporter Joseph Menn, there is no indication that the teenage O’Rourke engaged in the “edgiest sorts of hacking activity” like breaking into computers while part of the group. But his participation did include creating short pieces of writing known as “text files” under a nom de plume. Archived versions of writings attributed to O’Rourke’s alias “Psychedelic Warlord” include one that criticized some women as “sluts,” mocked them for having “violent boyfriends,” and suggested a way to deal with these women was to call them “completely ugly,” or inform “Nazi Skins in your area” that they had “AIDS.”
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Post by Gord » Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:15 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:12 am
gorgeous wrote:fox----Kim Kardashian-West tells CNN she's not against possibly running for office
In your confused mind, that probably all makes sense...... :lol:
kardashian trump.jpg
Future lawyer Kim Kardashian.

No, seriously:

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Post by landrew » Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:00 pm

Gord wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:15 am
Matthew Ellard wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:12 am
gorgeous wrote:fox----Kim Kardashian-West tells CNN she's not against possibly running for office
In your confused mind, that probably all makes sense...... :lol:
kardashian trump.jpg
Future lawyer Kim Kardashian.

No, seriously:
Not seriously. If this turns into a productive career in the legal profession, I'll eat my shorts.
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Post by JO 753 » Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:12 pm

Seriously. She'd be 10x better than Trump.
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Post by Gord » Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:14 am

JO 753 wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:12 pm
Seriously. She'd be 10x better than Trump.
That's not saying much. I haven't been keeping up with the chances in maths: What's ten times zero these days? Or ten times negative one, for that matter?
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Post by JO 753 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:09 pm

Good point. Iz there a mathematical version uv 'better' ?
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Post by landrew » Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:10 pm

JO 753 wrote:
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Good point. Iz there a mathematical version uv 'better' ?
Nope. "Better" is a subjective, not an objective term.
What does objectivity have to do with politics?
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Post by JO 753 » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:51 am

It can be both. Sumthing that makes a system more efficient, last longer, grow, or sum other objectiv advantaj can be called better.

Subjectively from Putin'z perspectiv it woud be hard to find anybody better than Trump.
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Post by Tom Palven » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:25 am

Pete Buttigieg might be someone to keep an eye on:
http://time.com/5570327/pete-buttigieg- ... date-2020/
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:04 am

JO 753 wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:51 am
It can be both. Sumthing that makes a system more efficient, last longer, grow, or sum other objectiv advantaj can be called better.

Subjectively from Putin'z perspectiv it woud be hard to find anybody better than Trump.
thats the key...........even when finding some objective measure: ITS ALWAYS: better or worse FOR WHOM????????? On every single issue you can name.

Its conflation that gets us emoting in labels. Thinking goes the opposite way.
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Post by gorgeous » Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:06 pm

Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity.

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Post by MikeN » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:18 pm

Jo, do you disagree with the NYT's article saying the Steele Dossier was Russian disinformation?

Joe Biden's creepiness has generally ignored the number of times he does this with kids. That one girl in the pictures is a typical example.

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Post by ElectricMonk » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:20 pm

MikeN wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:18 pm
Jo, do you disagree with the NYT's article saying the Steele Dossier was Russian disinformation?

Joe Biden's creepiness has generally ignored the number of times he does this with kids. That one girl in the pictures is a typical example.
The Steele dossier isn't Russian disinformation - if you think that at this point, you have chosen to think so in stark disregard of the facts.
Mueller has even evidence of compromising tapes of Trump made during the Russian Miss Universe. as being discussed in his report.

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Post by MikeN » Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:11 pm

> tapes of Trump made during the Russian Miss Universe. as being discussed in his report.

The author of that discussion is stating that Mueller has misquoted his text messages to Michael Cohen to give the wrong impression.
The full conversation makes clear he thinks the tapes are fakes.

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Post by ElectricMonk » Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:02 pm

Quotes or wishful thinking.

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Post by JO 753 » Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:39 pm

MikeN wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:18 pm
Jo, do you disagree with the NYT's article saying the Steele Dossier was Russian disinformation?
It sez it mite be.

There iznt much in it that haz been disproven so far.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/19/us/p ... eport.html
Joe Biden's creepiness...
Compare Joe'z exessiv touchy-feelyness to Trumps long term splooj monkey record.

Its like comparing a 3rd grader hoo failed to make the little league team to Mike Trout.
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Post by gorgeous » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:01 pm

Kamala Harris owns a handgun. That's disqualifying for a 2020 Democrat in my book.

Harris, a former DA, apparently thinks it's fine to own a handgun for personal safety. That's a position held by the NRA, not progressive Democrats.
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Post by ElectricMonk » Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:09 pm

gorgeous wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:01 pm
Kamala Harris owns a handgun. That's disqualifying for a 2020 Democrat in my book.

Harris, a former DA, apparently thinks it's fine to own a handgun for personal safety. That's a position held by the NRA, not progressive Democrats.
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who cares about what you think is disqualifying for a Democratic candidate?

The only issue is what kind of gun policies she supports. It's EXACTLY like criticizing Bernie for having made a million: he wants legislation that will make him and others like him have to pay more taxes.
And Harris wants legislation that require background checks without loopholes, exactly what Dems want and the NRA hates.

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Post by gorgeous » Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:26 pm

not my opinion on usa today...someone elses....she's a trigger happy liberal....
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Post by landrew » Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:28 pm

The way things are going, some day the armed ones might wipe out the unarmed ones.
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Post by Tom Palven » Thu May 09, 2019 7:24 am

This Jimmy Dore Show video about measuring the popularity of Democratic Presidential candidates should appeal to antiwarriors and political junkies.
There are a couple of ads to be skipped:
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Post by MikeN » Fri May 10, 2019 11:57 pm

In 2016, Bush folks poured money into superPAC Right to Rise. This group then spent tens of millions of dollars attacking Rubio instead of Trump. \
The logic was they wanted to clear out and make Jeb the primary anti-Trump candidate.

Will Dems do the same thing in 2020, and give Biden an easy victory?
The delegate rules for Dems make the game theory work better, as there are no winner take all states, and they can just split up delegates, but there is still a 15% threshold for getting delegates.

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Post by MikeN » Tue May 14, 2019 7:04 pm

Someone's put some thought into this. The Dem field is helped considerably by Steve Bullock's entry, to take points away from Biden.

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Post by MikeN » Thu May 23, 2019 3:14 am

4 years ago, Ted Cruz made it a mission to knock all of the other conservatives out of the race- Bobby Jindal, Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum, and for an nice bonus, Scott Walker quit early. Only Ben Carson stuck around longer.

I can't tell who is the liberal standard bearer this time, but it looks like O'Rourke and Kamala Harris are sinking and will be out quickly.

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Post by MikeN » Thu May 23, 2019 4:07 pm

Total turnout for Dem primary in Iowa in 2016 was 170k. Bernie has 15% of this number signed up for him in Iowa right now.

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Post by gorgeous » Wed May 29, 2019 4:47 pm

creepy..... AFT town hall, Biden tells a 10-year-old girl, “I’ll bet you’re as bright as you are good-looking." He takes her over to the assembled reporters, then stands behind her and puts his hands on her shoulders while he's talking.
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