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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:40 am

Once again, conflating the economy with the Stock Market. The Great Swindle in more ways than one........can you list any of them?
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OutOfBreath: you need to post more.
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Post by OutOfBreath » Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:43 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
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OutOfBreath: you need to post more.
Well, now I have.
Why? :)

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Post by Gord » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:51 am

OutOfBreath wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:43 am
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
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OutOfBreath: you need to post more.
Well, now I have.
Why? :)

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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:34 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:40 am
Once again, conflating the economy with the Stock Market. The Great Swindle in more ways than one........can you list any of them?
Not sure whether you are responding to Oleg or to me. I just want to state that I know very well the stock market is not the economy (and I think Oleg knows that even better than I do, but let him speak for himself). I have so posted on several occasions. But the stock market is not independent of the economy, either.

As a layman with no expertise in economics, I generally don't get into any economic analyses. I (naively, no doubt) regard the stock market as an exclusive gambling casino where a few plutocrats and kleptocrats gather to play with the money they have piled up, and the factories and corporations in which ordinary people make their living are hostages to the outcome.
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Post by Poodle » Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:08 pm

The Stock Market is where you buy stuff to use as a base for soup.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:51 pm

OutOfBreath wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:43 am
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
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OutOfBreath: you need to post more.
Well, now I have.
Why? :)

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Your posts are always helpful, informative, not at all distracting. Maybe, add a touch of cayenne from time to time? Try new tastes?
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:58 pm

Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:34 am
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:40 am
Once again, conflating the economy with the Stock Market. The Great Swindle in more ways than one........can you list any of them?
Not sure whether you are responding to Oleg or to me. I just want to state that I know very well the stock market is not the economy (and I think Oleg knows that even better than I do, but let him speak for himself). I have so posted on several occasions. But the stock market is not independent of the economy, either.

As a layman with no expertise in economics, I generally don't get into any economic analyses. I (naively, no doubt) regard the stock market as an exclusive gambling casino where a few plutocrats and kleptocrats gather to play with the money they have piled up, and the factories and corporations in which ordinary people make their living are hostages to the outcome.
This time it was Oleg. I prefer "general" responses to encourage participation and I did post immediately after his which i think is in tempo?.....pros and cons to all we do.
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Economies run more smoothly when businessmen and investors aren't waiting for the next shoe to drop. When the shutdown ends, anything can happen.
I think this sentiment/statement is "mostly" untrue. Investors invest more confidently but businessmen TEND TO BUSINESS. SO...a great conflation here. Its one of the biggest FRAUDS the Investor/AlreadyTooRich class regularly indulges, along with the Lame Steam Media who doesn't know the difference.

Just look.
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Post by scrmbldggs » Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:22 am

Aww, that's gonna endear him even more to his beloved voters: Trump issues executive order freezing federal workers' pay in 2019. That's "Democrat federal workers" - to him. :nuts:
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Easy platform item for the Democrats - raises for government workers...

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Post by OlegTheBatty » Mon Dec 31, 2018 5:27 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:58 pm
Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:34 am
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:40 am
Once again, conflating the economy with the Stock Market. The Great Swindle in more ways than one........can you list any of them?
Not sure whether you are responding to Oleg or to me. I just want to state that I know very well the stock market is not the economy (and I think Oleg knows that even better than I do, but let him speak for himself). I have so posted on several occasions. But the stock market is not independent of the economy, either.

As a layman with no expertise in economics, I generally don't get into any economic analyses. I (naively, no doubt) regard the stock market as an exclusive gambling casino where a few plutocrats and kleptocrats gather to play with the money they have piled up, and the factories and corporations in which ordinary people make their living are hostages to the outcome.
This time it was Oleg. I prefer "general" responses to encourage participation and I did post immediately after his which i think is in tempo?.....pros and cons to all we do.
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Fri Dec 28, 2018 9:19 pm
Economies run more smoothly when businessmen and investors aren't waiting for the next shoe to drop. When the shutdown ends, anything can happen.
I think this sentiment/statement is "mostly" untrue. Investors invest more confidently but businessmen TEND TO BUSINESS. SO...a great conflation here. Its one of the biggest FRAUDS the Investor/AlreadyTooRich class regularly indulges, along with the Lame Steam Media who doesn't know the difference.

Just look.
Building, upgrading, refurbishing, modernizing etc business facilities IS business, Bobbo. Sorry I wasn't clear in that I wasn't referring to the stock market parasites.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:27 pm

OlegTheBatty wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 5:27 pm
Building, upgrading, refurbishing, modernizing etc business facilities IS business, Bobbo. Sorry I wasn't clear in that I wasn't referring to the stock market parasites.
I agree with this statement.....but its NOT what you said. I will guess it actually demonstrates how pernicious the WallStreet PR Fraud IS and why I post against it when I am not revulsed by repeating myself. While some do KNOW that the economy (ie: business) is not the same thing as the StockMarket, we go ahead and lump them together as if they were the same thing...........JUST AS YOU JUST DID.....and even maybe don't even see it on it being pointed out??????

What you posted was: "Economies run more smoothly when businessmen and investors aren't waiting for the next shoe to drop. When the shutdown ends, anything can happen." In general, for the most part, as you say businessmen DO BUSINESS....they don't "wait" for any shoe to drop which in this case refers to the stock market going up and down. So that is why I posted, to highlight the distinction that you did in fact refer to. I do it myself. I have to catch myself and not fall into the same lazy jargon. Investors ARE NOT businessmen.........they are as you note PARASITES on the economy.

I'm glad we agree..........lets push our brothers to be clear on this point as well..............Just another reality in the Class Warfare, already fought and won by the AlreadyTooRich. But....we the 99% don't have to stay dead forever.
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Post by OutOfBreath » Wed Jan 02, 2019 8:45 am

The Trump bubble is bursting it seems. What a total surprise that, yet again, throwing billions at billionaires doesnt really translate into real economic growth...

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:17 am

Its just a lie that everyone not brain dead or playing the stooges already knows. Its like saying: "God loves you."

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OutOfBreath wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 8:45 am
The Trump bubble is bursting it seems. What a total surprise that, yet again, throwing billions at billionaires doesnt really translate into real economic growth...

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Add to that that messing with your health (insurance) while caving to Big Pharma doesn't sit well with the clowns and geezers. And ruining your air and water doesn't matter only to the same kind of idiots who are currently defiling closed public parks/lands temporarily abandoned because shutdown...
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:23 pm

And today we get two bits of happy news: (1) Big Pharma has wonderful plans to raise prices through the roof in 2019; (2) the Chinese economy is in free fall.

Congratulations, Trump! You won! Now, who's going to buy our soybeans?

This is the typical short-sightedness of macho morons like Trump who think trade is a zero-sum game. Bertrand Russell once mentioned that when World War I began, he was given glowing forecasts of the benefits that would accrue to British trade from the destruction of German shipping. How did that work out, I wonder?
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He flat out forgot that getting what he desired "just for the asking" only ever worked when someone wrote it into his script...
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:46 pm

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When it reigns it floors.
Another case of being careful what you wish for (or threaten). That karma can be a bitch.

And I note that as of this hour, the DJIA is off more than 600 points again. It's very volatile and (as we've seen) can easily jump back up, but I can't believe the news from China is going to cheer investors. They know that unless your trading partner has a sound economy, you are going to take some hits as well. And then those year-end dividend statements will be coming out, and people will be hearing how their 401(k)s ended the year. And the Christmas boomlet was smaller than expected, considering how good the economy has generally been. So, if I had to worry about stocks, I'd be hunkering down and hanging back for a while.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:39 pm

Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:23 pm
And today we get two bits of happy news: (1) Big Pharma has wonderful plans to raise prices through the roof in 2019; (2) the Chinese economy is in free fall.

Congratulations, Trump! You won! Now, who's going to buy our soybeans?

This is the typical short-sightedness of macho morons like Trump who think trade is a zero-sum game. Bertrand Russell once mentioned that when World War I began, he was given glowing forecasts of the benefits that would accrue to British trade from the destruction of German shipping. How did that work out, I wonder?
The Greeks stole all the shipping commerce. Right idea...wrong player.

I agree that Trade in FACT is NOT a zero sum game: but what the academics and fail to appreciate is that within the general growth in wealth that does occur, individual nations can game the system and use the zero sum game strategy to their benefit. In fact, all do when first starting out...My issue for years has been can a large economy like USA, China, EU work the gains of zero sum gaming for a long enough period to make it worthwhile? I think the flat wages in USA for 50 years now is very much a result of failing to recognize we could keep manufacturing/wealth "at home" by zero sum gaming the system. Not forever with the rise of China and even the EU....but long enough to make the exericse/application of Philosophy a worthwhile endeavor?

Well, THAT boat sailed. So we could well be in a world now where the ZSGS does work to harm the players. Its all the same "rules" of economics...just different conditions. Even philosophy should stifle itself when facts on the ground change....but it so rarely does.
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:00 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:39 pm

I agree that Trade in FACT is NOT a zero sum game: but what the academics and fail to appreciate is that within the general growth in wealth that does occur, individual nations can game the system and use the zero sum game strategy to their benefit. In fact, all do when first starting out...My issue for years has been can a large economy like USA, China, EU work the gains of zero sum gaming for a long enough period to make it worthwhile? I think the flat wages in USA for 50 years now is very much a result of failing to recognize we could keep manufacturing/wealth "at home" by zero sum gaming the system. Not forever with the rise of China and even the EU....but long enough to make the exericse/application of Philosophy a worthwhile endeavor?

Well, THAT boat sailed. So we could well be in a world now where the ZSGS does work to harm the players. Its all the same "rules" of economics...just different conditions. Even philosophy should stifle itself when facts on the ground change....but it so rarely does.
I need to think about that question that I put in bold. It's been buzzing around the back of my mind since Trump started playing his nationalistic games. Can shouting loudly and waving a big stick really result in short-term gains? Perhaps Hitler in the 1930s is an example for the affirmative. Of course, in the long run, Hitler overreached, as international bullies so often do.

It did occur to me that one can get a zero-sum game, if all the players go bankrupt. To that end, I note this item from today's news:
CNN wrote:The US national debt stood at $21.974 trillion at the end of 2018, more than $2 trillion higher than when President Donald Trump took office, according to numbers released Thursday by the Treasury Department.
That's an inflation rate of 5% per year on the principal of the debt, to be added to the interest on it, which will soon also be 5%, if it isn't already, so effectively 5.25% interest (and 10% if you don't pay any of it off and just keep on borrowing, which is the current practice). May not sound like much, but we're dealing with exponential growth here. Even a low rate eventually becomes catastrophic. But never fear: Trump has a plan to deal with it, which is secret. But I'll let you in on it...
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Claim the Treasury Department is inventing the numbers, and there really isn't any increase.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:19 pm

I don't spot your Bold concern. Can you post it again so I can think too?

Its just too easy to ALWAYS REMEMBER (and never forget) that there are pros and cons, people who are helped and those who are hurt by any and every idea or philosophy you can name. So....its just propagandistic to claim any of them are Flat out Good or Bad.......it hides the evil that is always afoot. This is especially true with "economics." Its more lies than truth.
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:19 pm
I don't spot your Bold concern. Can you post it again so I can think too?
That boldface doesn't show up very well, does it? Here's the question:
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote: [C]an a large economy like USA, China, EU work the gains of zero sum gaming for a long enough period to make it worthwhile?
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:02 pm

What a difference a day makes!!

The Democrats control the House for only one day, and pass a bill to re-open the government, and the change in Mitch McConnell is astonishing. As reported today:

“I’ve made it clear on several occasions, and let me say it again: The Senate will not take up any proposal that does not have a real chance of passing this chamber and getting a presidential signature,” Mr. McConnell said. “Let’s not waste the time. Let’s not get off on the wrong foot, with House Democrats using their new platform to produce political statements rather than serious solutions.”

How responsible of him! How statesmanlike! The man is a giant among politicians.

Unless, of course, you remember when he passed more than 50 (!!!) bills to repeal Obamacare. He didn't regard any of those 50 votes as a waste of time. But that was then, when Obama was President. He sees things much more clearly, now that Trump is President.
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:06 pm

I'm thinking Trump may have solidified his standing with the evangelicals by his decision to pull out of Syria. They knew he wasn't one of them before; he was rather like Saul of Tarsus, definitely anti-Christian. But, just like Saul, he had a revelation on the Road to Damascus, and became a saint.
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Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:45 pm
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
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I don't spot your Bold concern. Can you post it again so I can think too?
That boldface doesn't show up very well, does it? Here's the question:
bobbo_the_Pragmatist" wrote: [C]an a large economy like USA, China, EU work the gains of zero sum gaming for a long enough period to make it worthwhile?
You need to define 'worthwhile'.
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:14 pm

Did Trump think of this when he shut down the government? This will definitely only get worse. People who are furloughed can flip hamburgers at McDonalds to keep paying their rent. But those being forced to work without pay are eventually going to say, "{!#%@} this job!" I've got to pay my bills. Trump is the guy who swore he'd keep us safe; let's see how he rationalizes this.

About my first question: The answer is obvious. The moron doesn't ever think through the consequences of his actions.
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by scrmbldggs » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:26 pm

:hmm: Because he knows there's usually some kind of crooked deal to be had to bail him out. God must so love him. :soppy:

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What a difference a day makes!!

The Democrats control the House for only one day, and pass a bill to re-open the government, and the change in Mitch McConnell is astonishing. As reported today:

“I’ve made it clear on several occasions, and let me say it again: The Senate will not take up any proposal that does not have a real chance of passing this chamber and getting a presidential signature,” Mr. McConnell said. “Let’s not waste the time. Let’s not get off on the wrong foot, with House Democrats using their new platform to produce political statements rather than serious solutions.”

How responsible of him! How statesmanlike! The man is a giant among politicians.

Unless, of course, you remember when he passed more than 50 (!!!) bills to repeal Obamacare. He didn't regard any of those 50 votes as a waste of time. But that was then, when Obama was President. He sees things much more clearly, now that Trump is President.
A true genius! It took only one test run to figure out his Toddler in chief wouldn't eat his dinner. A lesson the new House obviously didn't learn, serving the same fare as he did. And as also clearly shown in the spectacular presentation of hypocrisy and projection delivered when he addressed the same. :lol:
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by scrmbldggs » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:38 pm

Oh, what a tangled Webb we...


...vehemently deny in Twiterrings. That means his courting the new power in the House must be a done deal, eh. :-P
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:55 am

Indeed, those twitterings are a marvel to behold.
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:01 am

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bobbo_the_Pragmatist" wrote: [C]an a large economy like USA, China, EU work the gains of zero sum gaming for a long enough period to make it worthwhile?
You need to define 'worthwhile'.
Worthwhile will vary with each person making the evaluation. For a businessman, it is usually the next 3 months, for a politician until the next election: so 2-4-6 depending. Being none of those.....I'd say "lives in being"....so about 40 years? Make that "working lives" from first employment to retirement?

"The Economy" has a certain gravity about it.......pulling all players towards the reality of the pros and cons of open trade along with the exceptions to it. Its like being tied to a log on the belt to the buzz saw: eventually your domestic market is going to hit those teeth of cheaper/better competitors, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN...you speed up the conveyor belt AS THE USA DID under the excuse that its going to happen anyway. USA could have a much larger economic base TODAY if we had protected our market .......but we didn't........and STILL AREN'T.

So, by the definition I gave: after Eisenhower gave his speech, it would have been worthwhile to recognize that trade/commerce was the current and future war/challenge that we were in. Could easily have lasted 40-80 maybe even 120 years. China/Mexico/Pacific Rim could still be dirt poor. The challenge probably would still have risen from Europe. Those bastards are too much like us.

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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by Tom Palven » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:15 am

Free trade is not a zero-sum game, unfettered specialization and trade produce a win-win, as Adam Smith accurately described.

The US has only itself to blame for the consequences of its $22 trillion government credit card debt, not China or Russia or anyone else.
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:51 am

scrmbldggs wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:26 pm

A true genius! It took only one test run to figure out his Toddler in chief wouldn't eat his dinner. A lesson the new House obviously didn't learn, serving the same fare as he did. And as also clearly shown in the spectacular presentation of hypocrisy and projection delivered when he addressed the same. :lol:
And, don't forget, he was given a kiddie menu to look at, and he colored in the dinner that he wanted for his Uncle Mitch. But then, when it came, his playmates in the media told him it was yucky, and he refused to eat it.
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by scrmbldggs » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:55 am

Seems it's about time for a just dessert. :-P
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:36 am

Tom Palven wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:15 am
Free trade is not a zero-sum game, unfettered specialization and trade produce a win-win, as Adam Smith accurately described.

The US has only itself to blame for the consequences of its $22 trillion government credit card debt, not China or Russia or anyone else.
No. Too simplistic. I believe free trade is not zero sum but its very much on how you define it. OTOH its totally obvious that FT is NOT win-win except perhaps only in the examples advanced by Adam Smith.

You see: everything is a MiX of issues with Pros and Cons, winners and losers, and its all very contextual and definitional. Even the Label: "Win-Win" is inherently a description of two party interactions..........but Free Trade has 1000's of participants. Some Win Here....But Lose There. Some Win-Win, Some Lose-Lose. The Pie Grows while ants cover the plate and Blue Jays pick out the fruit.

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Post by scrmbldggs » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:28 pm

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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by ElectricMonk » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:46 pm

Typical smokescreen - it's a more official version of Trump's go-to "many people say that ..." when it is clear that there is no actual data to support the claim.
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by scrmbldggs » Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:36 pm

How long will it take to fix the "garbage in, garbage out" administration - if ever? :(
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by ElectricMonk » Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:27 pm

The "Deep State" (i.e. people actually running the day-to-day of the departments) must be doing an amazing job if this is all the garbage we see out of this administration, given the toxic waste Trump and his pals are pumping in.