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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:49 pm

Borders within a country? Is that any fair comparison to the EU?

EU: European Union. From the Google: "The European Union is a unified trade and monetary body of 28 member countries. It eliminates all border controls between members. That allows the free flow of goods and people, except for random spot checks for crime and drugs. The EU transmits state-of-the-art technologies to its members." /// Hmm...free flow, trade and MONETARY controls. I do wonder what is left over for the sovereign? elected guberments involved?..............JUST GRAFT........I suppose. That politics that is still local?????

Brexit vs Secession. USA did not let the South Brexit.=======>Pros and Cons to all we do.
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DJIA now (16:43 GMT, 24 December) at 22,099. Down, and down, and down...

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And one has to say Merry Christmas. It's the law!
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:lol: I think I don't wanna know what the shorts say. :-P
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DJIA has worst Christmas Day ever, now down to 21,700+
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DJIA has worst Christmas Day ever, now down to 21,700+
Have no fear. Mnuchin is on your side. :mrgreen:
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Post by Gord » Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:21 pm

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Poor Trumpy, Obama never faced such scathing criticism of himself, his family or his actions, right? And neither did those Mnuchnkins he appointed...


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Post by Poodle » Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:23 pm

Eeerrrrmmm ... point of order, Chairperson
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:49 pm
... "The European Union is a unified trade and monetary body of 28 member countries ..."
No, it isn't, nor has it ever been. Several states within the EU (including the UK) have never even considered using the Euro as a national currency.

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Post by Tom Palven » Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:39 pm

Gord wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:41 pm
Tom Palven wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:20 pm
Gord wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:03 am
Tom Palven wrote:
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Mon Dec 24, 2018 4:46 am


I don't know what you're asking.

What are you talking about now?

Let me keep it simple:
Yay!
1. There are some people calling themselves "classical liberals" or "libertarians" who are in favor of open borders and complete freedom of movement:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/ ... 862185002/


2. There are NO people that I know of calling themselves either "conservatives" or "neoconservatives" who favor open borders.

3. Do you know of anyone calling themselves a "liberal" or a "socialist" (Bernie Sanders, for example), who is in favor of open borders?

I'm just curious. If the answer is "no" you can simply say "no."
Okay then: no.

I know of people who are in favour of "open borders" insofar as they don't want armed guards on the borders, but I don't think that means the same thing you do. I think when you say "open borders" that you mean anyone can just come and go as they please without any hindrance or oversight, paying no customs fees or anything like that.
Okay, thanks.

And yes, I mean totally open borders like they now have between France, Germany, Italy, and other European countires that fought many bloody wars against each other and have removed the border stations and border police.
Sounds like the borders within countries. Does the US still have open borders like that between individual states?

Let me make this even simpler, Gord.

Do you understand, for example, that there are no longer border guards and border stations between France and Germany, who fought many bloody wars with each other; that there are only signs saying, in their respective languages, Welcome to France, Welcome to Germany.

This is what some classical liberals and libertarians would like to have on the US borders with Canada and Mexico, no border stations at all.

Capisce?

This shouldn't be a real hard concept to grasp, even if you passionately hate the idea.

Are you just feigning stupidity?

A simple Yes or No will suffice. :mrgreen:

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:41 pm

So.............the UK was a traitor right from the start? ====> I'm joking. Yes, there are always exceptions to a general rule. If several states kept their own currency (and monetary policy making role/central banks.........whatever that all means?) then I'll just assume the "Common Currency" was a goal and an option and the media/google just uses that lazy label?

Happens with a lot of what we think.....................

On point perhaps: why did UK vote to Brexit? Should not have been the currency, I recall last year a tiff over regulations on vacuum cleaners or some such silliness so "Trade Disagreements" could be a large part of it? Or was it the pesky "free travel" once some member (ie: Germany) allow excessive immigration?

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:44 pm

Tom Palven: again, you miss OBVIOUS humor. You should check you have a complete inventory of bones. ((See the humor/word play there?))

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Post by OlegTheBatty » Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:45 pm

Germany and France are members of a supranational organization that has jurisdiction. Canada, US, Mexico do not have such an organization. The borders are not comparable.
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Post by Poodle » Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:58 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
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So.............the UK was a traitor right from the start? ====> I'm joking. Yes, there are always exceptions to a general rule. If several states kept their own currency (and monetary policy making role/central banks.........whatever that all means?) then I'll just assume the "Common Currency" was a goal and an option and the media/google just uses that lazy label?

Happens with a lot of what we think.....................

On point perhaps: why did UK vote to Brexit? Should not have been the currency, I recall last year a tiff over regulations on vacuum cleaners or some such silliness so "Trade Disagreements" could be a large part of it? Or was it the pesky "free travel" once some member (ie: Germany) allow excessive immigration?

One Earth, One Species, One Justice===One Gubment. One s-t-r-e-t-c-h goal.
Yep - Germany's unilateral declaration of open borders to anyone at all was the straw which broke the camel's back. But it wasn't the thing which drove Brexit. That was the intransigence of what should be merely the EU version of the Civil Service (the bureaucrats doing it purely for a salary) who now are making a grab for absolute administrative power. That's known as the EU Commission, which is headed by Jean-Claude Juncker. This drive toward fully centralised (and, eventually, federalised) administration is what Brits (and several other members) do not want. Watch this space.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:08 pm

Thanks Poodle: ........so what is this I hear from time to time about various "unilateral" actions of various countries like Germany vis a vis immigration? Seems to me it should be invalid if not passed by the power usurping EU Commission where all members have their vote? Germany lets the wage slaves in while other member states unilaterally build fences to keep them out??????

What kind of federation is that? Image in my mind: the dozens of independent near city-states of early Germany resulting in nothing but turmoil.

There are pros and cons to all we do.

Am I right in CONCLUDING absent your poo-poo that UK is going to be seriously economically HURT on the trade front being out of the Union? It makes sense to me that while EU "could" allow for happy post Brexit relationships, where trade is a substitute for WAR.........EU has got to make UK pay for their treason/secession. I mean: whats a supernational jurisdiction claiming entity to do otherwise??????

Heh, heh: like most people oriented issues: its the people. And by that, I mean greedy short term personal interests.
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Post by OutOfBreath » Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:10 pm

Poodle wrote:
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This drive toward fully centralised (and, eventually, federalised) administration is what Brits (and several other members) do not want. Watch this space.
Well, with the brits out, it is a lot more likely now anyway...

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On that tee shirt... shouldn't it have read... 'without wall'?

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Post by TJrandom » Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:51 pm

Tom Palven wrote:
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... This is what some classical liberals and libertarians would like to have on the US borders with Canada and Mexico, no border stations at all.
For open borders... why have borders at all? One world government could eliminate wall, borders, national currencies, languages, cultures, economic disparities, nationalism ... even competition, since it would no longer be needed. But then... wouldn't private property come under assault? Why is a property line, or a fence that keeps the cows off of the neighbour’s property - anything more than a border? And that lock on your door - isn't it too a border? And even the family... wife/husband, children - all linked by legalities to the exclusion of others. Why not eliminate it all?

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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
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...Am I right in CONCLUDING absent your poo-poo that UK is going to be seriously economically HURT on the trade front being out of the Union? It makes sense to me that while EU "could" allow for happy post Brexit relationships, where trade is a substitute for WAR.........EU has got to make UK pay for their treason/secession. I mean: whats a supernational jurisdiction claiming entity to do otherwise??????...
It's a matter of fact that the UK will, initially, suffer economic downturn. How could it not? I think that it's equally a matter of fact that the UK will, fairly quickly, develop economic partnerships with the majority of countries who are NOT EU members. I'm a little puzzled by your equating leaving the EU with a declaration of war. The EU trades with the world, most of which does not hold membership of the EU. The EU Commission may (and probably will) play silly buggers after Brexit for a while, but they're hardly likely to maintain a posture of hostility to one of the largest economies in the world. They'll survive, the UK will survive, and all will be well with the world.

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I'm a little puzzled by your equating leaving the EU with a declaration of war.
Pretty straight forward. We are in an age of the flattening earth, the shrinking world, all brought on by trade. Its been said for decades that then next WAR and domination would be accomplished through Trade..........then USA went ahead and granted China most favored nation status because..........Nixon. (I forget any details if I ever had them.) I have recognized this repeatedly as we start wars by surrendering under the Chicago School reasoning that trade barriers are bad, unrestricted free trade is good.....Ship jobs to Mexico to raise THEIR standard of living, Same with China....yada, yada, yada.

Power comes from being BIG. BIGLY IN ALL THINGS. EU: a trading federation still maturing. Lets get out of that arrangement with a common border and straits only 20 miles away in favor of erecting walls and using ocean routes instead? Its that invisible hand thingy.
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OK bobbo. Have a bigly good time over the next few days. :neener:
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Germany and France are members of a supranational organization that has jurisdiction. Canada, US, Mexico do not have such an organization. The borders are not comparable.
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...until the metric system came along. :-P
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OlegTheBatty wrote:
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Upton_O_Goode wrote:
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DJIA has worst Christmas Day ever, now down to 21,700+
Have no fear. Mnuchin is on your side. :mrgreen:
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:hmm: On whose side? He's on the wrong side of The Wall. Vacationing. In luxury... :-P



And Mom and bub have to return home, cos there was no room at the i.... oops, hehe, cos Grumpa stayed home. And hasn't been seen since.


I'm waiting for the first images posted by starry-eyed members that show him along with wife and sonny - or on a golf cart - in Mar-a-Lego during the supposed "holding of the White Fort" during his shutdown. :twisted:
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Poor Trumpy, Obama never faced such scathing criticism of himself, his family or his actions, right? And neither did those Mnuchnkins he appointed...


E-d-it
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Those twitter posts from Krugman and others are hilarious!!
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:hmm: On whose side? He's on the wrong side of The Wall. Vacationing. In luxury... :-P



And Mom and bub have to return home, cos there was no room at the i.... oops, hehe, cos Grumpa stayed home. And hasn't been seen since.


I'm waiting for the first images posted by starry-eyed members that show him along with wife and sonny - or on a golf cart - in Mar-a-Lego during the supposed "holding of the White Fort" during his shutdown. :twisted:
One thing's for sure: If he does have to forego his Christmas hols, he's going to be VERY grumpy about it. This is not a man who can tolerate any denial of a pleasure.

But the rest of us would spare a thought for the poor workers in DC, some of whom DID have plans to spend the holidays with their families far away and were told they have to stay in town and work without pay. If anyone needed proof that social class matters more than anything else, there it is. Our betters who rule over us take a recess and go to the bright lights, leaving the peasants to tend the farm.
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But but but... he Twiterred he was "working hard". A sure sign of yet another wooden doll...
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OlegTheBatty wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:45 pm
Germany and France are members of a supranational organization that has jurisdiction. Canada, US, Mexico do not have such an organization. The borders are not comparable.

The US, Canada, and Mexico have a supranational pact called NAFTA or whatever t f.

You're nitpicking, Oleg.

If you favor authoritarian restraint of travel and trade like the great majority of Americans do, why not just say so?

Why beat around the friggin' bushes?

Man t f up!

You and Gord are messin' with my chronic good nature!

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Tom Palven wrote:
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... or whatever ...
Yes, that's it. Time zones - they share the same time zones... time to get rid of nationalities, borders, languages... :roll:

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TJrandom wrote:
Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:58 am
Tom Palven wrote:
Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:09 am
... or whatever ...
Yes, that's it. Time zones - they share the same time zones... time to get rid of nationalities, borders, languages... :roll:
Either you favor unregulated and unpoliced travel or trade, or you favor regulated and policed travel or trade. Either a person is pregnant or not pregnant.

Languages and nationalities. are just other red herring smokescreens.

Either you agree with some form of Henry Jr's opinion over at the "Neocon Immigration Policy" thread in the Monster Talk Forum, or you disagree with it entirely.

This is apparently a really, really tough concept for people brainwashed in the wonders of government regulations and submission to authority. :roll:
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Tom Palven wrote:
Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:14 am
TJrandom wrote:
Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:58 am
Tom Palven wrote:
Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:09 am
... or whatever ...
Yes, that's it. Time zones - they share the same time zones... time to get rid of nationalities, borders, languages... :roll:
Either you favor unregulated and unpoliced travel or trade, or you favor regulated and policed travel or trade. Either a person is pregnant or not pregnant.

Languages and nationalities. are just other red herring smokescreens.

Either you agree with some form of Henry Jr's opinion over at the "Neocon Immigration Policy" thread in the Monster Talk Forum, or you disagree with it entirely.

This is apparently a really, really tough concept for people brainwashed in the wonders of government regulations and submission to authority. :roll:
Either, or... what a choice. Not going to a monster forum to check that out, but I do favor regulated travel, trade, and immigration. Indeed, we should all be legal aliens. Without regulation you have chaos...

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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by Tom Palven » Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:12 am

TJrandom wrote:
Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:03 am
Tom Palven wrote:
Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:14 am
TJrandom wrote:
Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:58 am
Tom Palven wrote:
Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:09 am
... or whatever ...
Yes, that's it. Time zones - they share the same time zones... time to get rid of nationalities, borders, languages... :roll:
Either you favor unregulated and unpoliced travel or trade, or you favor regulated and policed travel or trade. Either a person is pregnant or not pregnant.

Languages and nationalities. are just other red herring smokescreens.

Either you agree with some form of Henry Jr's opinion over at the "Neocon Immigration Policy" thread in the Monster Talk Forum, or you disagree with it entirely.

This is apparently a really, really tough concept for people brainwashed in the wonders of government regulations and submission to authority. :roll:
Either, or... what a choice. Not going to a monster forum to check that out, but I do favor regulated travel, trade, and immigration. Indeed, we should all be legal aliens. Without regulation you have chaos...
Thanks for an honest reply.
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by Gord » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:51 pm

Tom Palven wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:39 pm
Gord wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:41 pm
Tom Palven wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:20 pm
Gord wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:03 am
Tom Palven wrote:
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Gord wrote:
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I don't know what you're asking.

What are you talking about now?

Let me keep it simple:
Yay!
1. There are some people calling themselves "classical liberals" or "libertarians" who are in favor of open borders and complete freedom of movement:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/ ... 862185002/


2. There are NO people that I know of calling themselves either "conservatives" or "neoconservatives" who favor open borders.

3. Do you know of anyone calling themselves a "liberal" or a "socialist" (Bernie Sanders, for example), who is in favor of open borders?

I'm just curious. If the answer is "no" you can simply say "no."
Okay then: no.

I know of people who are in favour of "open borders" insofar as they don't want armed guards on the borders, but I don't think that means the same thing you do. I think when you say "open borders" that you mean anyone can just come and go as they please without any hindrance or oversight, paying no customs fees or anything like that.
Okay, thanks.

And yes, I mean totally open borders like they now have between France, Germany, Italy, and other European countires that fought many bloody wars against each other and have removed the border stations and border police.
Sounds like the borders within countries. Does the US still have open borders like that between individual states?

Let me make this even simpler, Gord.

Do you understand, for example, that there are no longer border guards and border stations between France and Germany, who fought many bloody wars with each other; that there are only signs saying, in their respective languages, Welcome to France, Welcome to Germany.

This is what some classical liberals and libertarians would like to have on the US borders with Canada and Mexico, no border stations at all.

Capisce?

This shouldn't be a real hard concept to grasp, even if you passionately hate the idea.

Are you just feigning stupidity?

A simple Yes or No will suffice. :mrgreen:

I'm pretty sure we're talking about completely different things here, but sure, I will accept that there are people whom you call "classical liberals and libertarians" who want what you say.

Personally, I have no idea what that has to do with anything I've been saying. But Merry Christmas to you! 8-)
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by Tom Palven » Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:04 pm

Gord wrote:
Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:51 pm
Tom Palven wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:39 pm
Let me make this even simpler, Gord.

Do you understand, for example, that there are no longer border guards and border stations between France and Germany, who fought many bloody wars with each other; that there are only signs saying, in their respective languages, Welcome to France, Welcome to Germany.

This is what some classical liberals and libertarians would like to have on the US borders with Canada and Mexico, no border stations at all.

Capisce?

This shouldn't be a real hard concept to grasp, even if you passionately hate the idea.

Are you just feigning stupidity?

A simple Yes or No will suffice. :mrgreen:

Personally, I have no idea what that has to do with anything I've been saying.
So you are still feigning stupidity?

Or lack of basic reading comprehension?

Go back and reread what you have been saying.
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by Upton_O_Goode » Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:16 pm

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But but but... he Twiterred he was "working hard". A sure sign of yet another wooden doll...
As of this morning, he's still hanging tough, as government workers line up to apply for food stamps and other welfare. But it's early days yet. Wait until the holidays are over and Congress is back in session, and people start to pay attention (as much as they ever do) again.
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by Tom Palven » Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:25 pm

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Tom Palven: again, you miss OBVIOUS humor. You should check you have a complete inventory of bones.
Here ya go, bobbo:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Poodle » Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:55 pm

That one fourth from the left - he's only pretending to laugh.

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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:44 pm

Tom Palven wrote:
Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:25 pm
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:44 pm
Tom Palven: again, you miss OBVIOUS humor. You should check you have a complete inventory of bones.
Here ya go, bobbo:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Now, like "Matthew Ellard," I have a great sense of humor.
Using the emoji of "laughter" leaves a lot of ambiguity. Like Joe Pesci in Goodfellows: "Funny.....how?"........before I shoot you. I think it does not mean "funny" as much as it does mean take what is posted not "quite" at face value.........look for something more/different to one degree or another.

I let the first one go, but you have doubled and now tripled up, so I'll go back for a review:

1. NAFTA is NOT AT ALL like the EU. NAFTA is pure and only trade, and then I assume only certain issues of trade not the full boat. EU is so much more. Just plain ignorant to equate the two.

2. "Either you favor unregulated and unpoliced travel or trade, or you favor regulated and policed travel or trade. Either a person is pregnant or not pregnant." //// More simple failure to recognize any subtlety at all. Bad at analogies or metaphors. Trade is nuanced BECAUSE IT IS NOT LIKE BEING PREGGERS. You can have a a little bit, or a lot, or somewhere inbetween, and you can vacillate anywhere on the continuum you wish. NOT like being preggers or not. Same with Travel.

Kinda basic english skills? Just another fallow field for you to consider, BECAUSE I assume on a moments reflection you will see the error in what you say........so how much of that do you actually THINK? Can you change your mind/moderate your presentation..........or are all ideas stillborn?
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by Upton_O_Goode » Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:32 am

Poodle wrote:
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That one fourth from the left - he's only pretending to laugh.
:lol:

(I had a talk with him.)
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