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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:09 pm

It'll be ok, thank god we're out of the Paris agreement: "Leaked U.N. draft report sees ‘very high risk’ the planet will warm beyond key limit" - besides which, this is only a draft, for {!#%@}'s sake
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
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Jeffk 1970 wrote:In times of horrific violence the best thing is to send condolences and then not do a damn thing.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/14/politics ... index.html
"Numerous" fatalities. Better lay in an extra supply of thoughts and prayers at the White House.

The donors like their guns so the victims and their family members will get condolences and prayers.
12th school shooting in USA so far this year - better pray harder 'cuz light prayer ain't working
Waiting for confirmation that the shooter is an illegal alien, or maybe had a parent who was born overseas, or maybe has a distant relative who immigrated. :roll:

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Will Betsy push harder for privately praying schools?
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:21 pm

The USA, 2018, where a sign reading "Resist White Supremacy," put up by hippie farmers in Virginia, is a provocation: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/re ... 3d92d13b5e
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:27 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Josh Marshall's theory is that Cohen is the thug who makes Trump's problems disappear.
I don't fully understand this but I believe Cohen screwed up both ways. If Trump reimbursed him it could a political donation and have legal consequences. By saying he wasn't reimbursed, Cohen has voided the damages component of damages for breach of contract. I think this Cohen fellow is making basic mistakes.

I imagine Stormy's manager is probably looking for some millions in exclusive story rights and will simply pay back the $130,000 to Cohen.

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Matthew Ellard wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:Josh Marshall's theory is that Cohen is the thug who makes Trump's problems disappear.
I don't fully understand this but I believe Cohen screwed up both ways. If Trump reimbursed him it could a political donation and have legal consequences. By saying he wasn't reimbursed, Cohen has voided the damages component of damages for breach of contract. I think this Cohen fellow is making basic mistakes.

I imagine Stormy's manager is probably looking for some millions in exclusive story rights and will simply pay back the $130,000 to Cohen.
I think so too, he exposed both himself and Trump. Clearly, he thought he was getting out in front of the lawsuit and information that would emerge. But still.

I doubt she will have to pay back the $130,000 because they'd have to go to court over that, with depositions (Trump?) and all.

Found this bit on Trump's associate Mr Cohen, this is what Cohen told The Daily Beast back in '15 when they were preparing a story on Ivanka Trump's "assertion" in her divorce deposition that The Donald had raped her:
I will make sure that you and I meet one day while we’re in the courthouse. And I will take you for every penny you still don’t have. And I will come after your Daily Beast and everybody else that you possibly know. So I’m warning you, tread very {!#%@} lightly, because what I’m going to do to you is going to be {!#%@} disgusting. You understand me?

You write a story that has Mr. Trump’s name in it, with the word ‘rape,’ and I’m going to mess your life up… for as long as you’re on this frickin’ planet… you’re going to have judgments against you, so much money, you’ll never know how to get out from underneath it.
The Daily Beast published such a story: https://www.thedailybeast.com/ex-wife-d ... during-sex
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:38 pm

17 dead in Florida school shooting, this is worse than infuriating . . .
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:08 am

NY Daily News sets records straight: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... p-senators
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""Today is that terrible day you pray never comes," Rubio tweeted." - yeah, that prayer thing not working, eh.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:26 am

scrmbldggs wrote:""Today is that terrible day you pray never comes," Rubio tweeted." - yeah, that prayer thing not working, eh.
from above link:
@marcorubio received $90,205 in campaign donations from gun rights groups during the 2015-2016 campaign cycle and received an "A+" grade from the NRA. Rubio has received $3,303,355 over the course of his career as an elected official. http://nydn.us/2o7Sk0z #thoughtsandprayers
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:33 am

the news reporting is driving me a bit batty . . . they are going on and on about mental illness, outsiders, rebels and background checks to separate out such people from gun (and other?) rights . . . but the problem is the availability of guns - the variable here is not mental illness or rebels but access to firearms:

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:58 am

And here we go:
“We’re never going to give up on entitlement reform,” Ryan told Fox Business on Tuesday.
Er, "reform."
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:And here we go:
“We’re never going to give up on entitlement reform,” Ryan told Fox Business on Tuesday.
Er, "reform."
Which is odd as he's bragged publicly in the past about how he and his mates in university spent time discussing elimination of Medicare/Medicaid. :roll:

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:58 am

time for Trump to one-up Obama and release his official portrait
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:00 am

Borowitz reports that "Millions of Americans Demand $130,000 for Not Having Sex with Trump" . . . "But, even as millions of Americans clamored to be compensated for abstaining from sex with Cohen’s client, others, like Carol Foyler, of Tallahassee, Florida, took a different view. 'Never having sex with Donald Trump should be a reward in itself,' she said."
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:lol:


So Cohen sez neither the Trump Organization nor the campaign reimbursed him. Who else does that leave? And would it matter?
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:21 am

words fail: "CNN Exclusive: At least 100 White House officials served with 'interim' security clearances until November": "It's not clear which of those staffers gained full clearances in the three months since the information was produced in November."

Among those without full clearance: Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner, Don McGahn, Sarah Sanders, Omarosa Manigault-Newman, and, of course, Rob Porter (and Porter's replacement, Derek Lyons).
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:21 am

scrmbldggs wrote:Who else does that leave?
Trump.
scrmbldggs wrote:And would it matter?
Yup.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:24 am

So FL Gov Rick Scott sez tonight it's not time to talk about guns but it is time to talk about mental illness and, uh, shut down the evening's press briefing.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:So FL Gov Rick Scott sez tonight it's not time to talk about guns but it is time to talk about mental illness and, uh, shut down the evening's press briefing.
He is such an arsehole.

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:words fail: "CNN Exclusive: At least 100 White House officials served with 'interim' security clearances until November": "It's not clear which of those staffers gained full clearances in the three months since the information was produced in November."

Among those without full clearance: Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner, Don McGahn, Sarah Sanders, Omarosa Manigault-Newman, and, of course, Rob Porter (and Porter's replacement, Derek Lyons).
Bad process, bad. Needs a stern talking to.
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scrmbldggs wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:words fail: "CNN Exclusive: At least 100 White House officials served with 'interim' security clearances until November": "It's not clear which of those staffers gained full clearances in the three months since the information was produced in November."

Among those without full clearance: Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner, Don McGahn, Sarah Sanders, Omarosa Manigault-Newman, and, of course, Rob Porter (and Porter's replacement, Derek Lyons).
Bad process, bad. Needs a stern talking to.
But Hillary was awful with classi- never mind.
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What does Kelly's clearance look like? :-P
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:52 am

Dunno but Preet Bharara tweeted this tonight: "You know who has permanent security clearances? Every member of special counsel Mueller's team."
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...and probably everyone else who isn't working at the White Swamp...
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Post by Balmoral95 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:34 am

scrmbldggs wrote:What does Kelly's clearance look like? :-P

Doesn't really matter: Petraeus was willing to share state secrets with a social-climbing whore in return for a knob job..

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:36 am

LOL raising the question: what's Jared's price?
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Pure evil - 666
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:LOL raising the question: what's Jared's price?
Russkies bailing him out of his crap investment mistakes.... My wife thinks the Jared/Iwankalot merger is like an O. Henry story: He effed up and needed cash and thought she had it and she knew Trump, Inc was effed and thought he had it.... this somewhat fueled by NYC gossip reffing to to the couple as "Cash and Trash"....

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In 2005 I got a new job. I was issued a cell phone, the number of which was area code + 3 digits + 0666. They apologized when they saw it and said I could have a new number. I said no thanks 0666 is fine.
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Without the slightest sense of self-awareness, or even a scintilla of irony, President Tweet-Tweet messaged this today, about the Florida massacre which he and his associates have abetted: "So many signs that the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed . . ."

So many signs, nothing done, reporting getting no meaningful response . . . it all sounds so familiar.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
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Jeffk 1970 wrote:In times of horrific violence the best thing is to send condolences and then not do a damn thing.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/14/politics ... index.html
"Numerous" fatalities. Better lay in an extra supply of thoughts and prayers at the White House.

The donors like their guns so the victims and their family members will get condolences and prayers.
12th school shooting in USA so far this year - better pray harder 'cuz light prayer ain't working
Waiting for confirmation that the shooter is an illegal alien, or maybe had a parent who was born overseas, or maybe has a distant relative who immigrated. :roll:
That's the only thing that would move this up on Trump's list of priorities. He has a template for dealing with all other mass murders. I simply cannot imagine how this is allowed to continue. The NRA, I know, consists of a bunch of subhuman brutes who think any number of dead children is preferable to background checks on gun owners. Look, my fellow Americans, the only way we are going to be able to rejoin the community of civilized nations is to clean house in Congress, voting out ANYBODY who opposed gun regulation. Can we do it? I know it's a single-issue thing, but really, after Trump, what have we got to lose by focusing on a single issue?
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:Without the slightest sense of irony, or even a scintilla of irony, President Tweet-Tweet messaged this today, about the Florida massacre which he and his associates have abetted: "So many signs that the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed . . ."

So many signs, nothing done, reporting getting nothing done . . . it all sounds so familiar.
As if there were no mentally disturbed people in the other 200 nations of the world. But only ONE nation has this level of obscene violence against children. While better mental health care might help (and we will NOT get it from Trump and the Republicans), why not license gun owners and register all their weaponry? That's what other countries do.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:Without the slightest sense of irony, or even a scintilla of irony, President Tweet-Tweet messaged this today, about the Florida massacre which he and his associates have abetted: "So many signs that the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed . . ."

So many signs, nothing done, reporting getting nothing done . . . it all sounds so familiar.
As if there were no mentally disturbed people in the other 200 nations of the world. But only ONE nation has this level of obscene violence against children. While better mental health care might help (and we will NOT get it from Trump and the Republicans), why not license gun owners and register all their weaponry? That's what other countries do.
The problem is that the predictors of mass murder I hear so much about from experts are also predictors of other things, like death metal and grunge. It's the guns, stupid. When everyone has guns, some people will use them.
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background, check! per CNN:
The shooting suspect purchased an AR-15 style firearm in the past year, according to a US official briefed on the investigation.

The official added that he passed the background check to be able to purchase the weapon.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote: I doubt she will have to pay back the $130,000 because they'd have to go to court over that, with depositions (Trump?) and all.

Found this bit on Trump's associate Mr Cohen, this is what Cohen told The Daily Beast back in '15 when they were preparing a story on Ivanka Trump's "assertion" in her divorce deposition that The Donald had raped her:
I will make sure that you and I meet one day while we’re in the courthouse. And I will take you for every penny you still don’t have. And I will come after your Daily Beast and everybody else that you possibly know. So I’m warning you, tread very {!#%@} lightly, because what I’m going to do to you is going to be {!#%@} disgusting. You understand me?

You write a story that has Mr. Trump’s name in it, with the word ‘rape,’ and I’m going to mess your life up… for as long as you’re on this frickin’ planet… you’re going to have judgments against you, so much money, you’ll never know how to get out from underneath it.
The Daily Beast published such a story: https://www.thedailybeast.com/ex-wife-d ... during-sex
Hmm, and this guy claims to be a lawyer. His law books appear to come from the year 1900. He's going to find out that he was wrong about this:
The Daily Beast wrote:Cohen added that there is no such thing, legally, as a man raping his wife. “You cannot rape your spouse,” he said. “There’s very clear case law.”
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Post by TJrandom » Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:25 pm

Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:Without the slightest sense of irony, or even a scintilla of irony, President Tweet-Tweet messaged this today, about the Florida massacre which he and his associates have abetted: "So many signs that the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed . . ."

So many signs, nothing done, reporting getting nothing done . . . it all sounds so familiar.
As if there were no mentally disturbed people in the other 200 nations of the world. But only ONE nation has this level of obscene violence against children. While better mental health care might help (and we will NOT get it from Trump and the Republicans), why not license gun owners and register all their weaponry? That's what other countries do.
We also restrict to legitimate use - hunting and sport shooting, plus have an accounting for ammo and safes for storage. Sensible stuff.