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Did Assange release the Dead Man's Switch?

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Re: Did Assange release the Dead Man's Switch?

Post by ElectricMonk » Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:01 am

Again, bad style of posting to just drop a vague title and a link without a bit of context.
Please, you can write one sentence if you actually care about having a discussion?

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Post by Pyrrho » Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:07 am

I advise people not to click on raw links like that without checking them first on sites such as Sucuri which has a url scan service.

In this case the main url lists a directory. Download anything from there at your own risk. There is no indication what any of those files contain.

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file/                                              25-Sep-2018 08:37                   -
oc/                                                02-May-2014 15:22                   -
torrent/                                           21-Jun-2018 23:06                   -
HOW-TO-MIRROR.txt                                  01-Jan-1984 01:01                 279
favicon.ico                                        01-Jan-1984 01:01                1406
file.torrent                                       01-Jan-1984 01:01             2427241
files-all.torrent                                  01-Jan-1984 01:01             5094580
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Plus it looks like that url has an impressive "utm" string appended to it. For great tracking of inbound links.
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Re: Did Assange release the Dead Man's Switch?

Post by MikeN » Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:03 pm

Now I'm reading that these are not new files, but just the repository they were using all along.

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Re: Did Assange release the Dead Man's Switch?

Post by ElectricMonk » Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:47 pm

WikiLeaks is terrible when they publish the stuff themselves.
They did great in the Panama Papers by leaving it all to an alliance of journalists.

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Post by Balsamo » Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:27 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:47 pm
WikiLeaks is terrible when they publish the stuff themselves.
They did great in the Panama Papers by leaving it all to an alliance of journalists.
LOL,
The Panama papers were the result of an authentic illegal hacking of a private company. Wikileaks has nothing to do with it.
Double standards?

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Re: Did Assange release the Dead Man's Switch?

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:41 pm

My memory from the time is that the Panama Papers were leaked by a disgruntled insider having nothing to do with Wikileaks. A short google search to confirm this does, but there appears to be a lot of hits for some hacking going on at the same time. I don't know which controls.

Should it EVER be illegal to hack a company doing illegal things? The ends do justify the means.
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Post by Balsamo » Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:25 pm

Should it EVER be illegal to hack a company doing illegal things? The ends do justify the means.
Nope.
Even if in this case, the company was not doing illegal things in regards to the laws of Panama. It is the clients of this company who were breaking the laws of their own country.

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Re: Did Assange release the Dead Man's Switch?

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:50 am

Balsamo wrote:
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Should it EVER be illegal to hack a company doing illegal things? The ends do justify the means.
Nope.
Even if in this case, the company was not doing illegal things in regards to the laws of Panama. It is the clients of this company who were breaking the laws of their own country.
You know..........this notion of "its the law" is so disturbing, sad, and in this forum, this thread even surprising. Especially for someone who has heard of Nuremberg. I do wonder what causes this lack of common sense and decency.
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Re: Did Assange release the Dead Man's Switch?

Post by MikeN » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:12 am

Assange is accused of helping Bradley Manning hack a password. However, Manning already had a password. The hacking was to allow Manning to download files using someone else's credentials, that he already had access to. Does this really qualify as hacking?

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Mike: listen to your own brain. Read what you write yourself. Post back if you need a second clue.
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Post by ElectricMonk » Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:05 am

Assange claimed he needed Embassy protection, because the US would snatch and execute him.
Now we know that he is only charged with something quite minor.
If he had just gotten a lawyer, he most likely would never had to spend a day in jail.
Now, things are really complicated, with all the investigations that will want to question him.

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Re: Did Assange release the Dead Man's Switch?

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ElectricMonk wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:05 am
Assange claimed he needed Embassy protection, because the US would snatch and execute him.
Now we know that he is only charged with something quite minor.
If he had just gotten a lawyer, he most likely would never had to spend a day in jail.
Now, things are really complicated, with all the investigations that will want to question him.
wut????? With the USA diverting and grounding private aircraft flying over Europe with Diplomatic Immunity to search for Snowden and Manning in solitary confinement for Life.......you think Assange had reason to think he would be treated differently?

What magic powers do you think "lawyers" have.....other than in the mind of Matthew???? ///// and IIRC....I've heard Assange's attorney on tv on some various issues. Not grabbing headlines or attention because its Assange vs the Powers that Be.

I wonder how possible it would have been for Assange to escape the Embassy and go totally underground???.......as in: how many security cameras and monitors are on that particular property?? I mean, it is London just to start with.
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Re: Did Assange release the Dead Man's Switch?

Post by ElectricMonk » Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:27 am

Assange didn't work for the US, and wasn't a citizen.
He had no credible reason to assume he would be sent to Guantanamo.
For course, there are plenty paranoid reasons to think the Stealth Helicopters were coming for him.

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Re: Did Assange release the Dead Man's Switch?

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ElectricMonk wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:27 am
Assange didn't work for the US, and wasn't a citizen.
You don't have to be an insider, especially when working at the edge of espionage and international relations, to know of non-USA Citizens who are arrested and tried in USA. IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. Its called espionage with warrants for arrest sitting in Interpol ready to be executed.
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He had no credible reason to assume he would be sent to Guantanamo.
Like Fed-Max is any better?........and where was Manning held??
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For course, there are plenty paranoid reasons to think the Stealth Helicopters were coming for him.
Can't tell if that is sarcasm or an admission. "usually" there are few paranoid reasons if a claim of paranoia is made. When "many" reasons exist, its most often meant to be sarcasm: aka: there is no paranoia just reasonable aware concern and caution.

Besides: Assange is allowed to have his concerns regardless of what other people might think. You know: FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM.
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Re: Did Assange release the Dead Man's Switch?

Post by ElectricMonk » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:01 am

Look, like Putin, Assange seemed to have be certain that HRC was coming to get them - that their actual survival was contingent on her not becoming President.

That was nonsense.

The US IC wasn't particularly pissed at Assange, because he never passed a background check. They are pissed that their own people would leak - where to is at best secondary.

Assange made the WikiLeaks mission personal, and thereby took away its credibility - serious whistle-blowers are looking for alternative disseminators now.
And given Assange's behavior, it seems obvious that he was perfectly willing to get expelled and arrested now instead of staying cooped up.

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Re: Did Assange release the Dead Man's Switch?

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MikeN wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:12 am
Assange is accused of helping Bradley Manning hack a password. However, Manning already had a password. The hacking was to allow Manning to download files using someone else's credentials, that he already had access to. Does this really qualify as hacking?
If you really need an answer - yes, that would be hacking. Accessing files using illicitly obtained credentials.

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Post by TJrandom » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:50 am

Just wondering if anyone has checked Assange's hands and feet for stigmata... :?

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Re: Did Assange release the Dead Man's Switch?

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TJrandom wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:06 am
MikeN wrote:
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Assange is accused of helping Bradley Manning hack a password. However, Manning already had a password. The hacking was to allow Manning to download files using someone else's credentials, that he already had access to. Does this really qualify as hacking?
If you really need an answer - yes, that would be hacking. Accessing files using illicitly obtained credentials.
Yeah, I was going to say: "Hacking" doesn't mean what most people seem to think it means. One old-timey hacker just telephoned people at a target company, pretending to be their superior and asking them for their passwords until he found one sucker who gave one to him; then he used that password to access the system and steal information.
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Re: Did Assange release the Dead Man's Switch?

Post by MikeN » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:44 pm

Why isn't Assange charged with collusion in hacking the DNC? Mueller's indictment of the Russians includes Wikileaks(Organization 1) in the conspiracy.

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Because they don't make up stuff?
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Re: Did Assange release the Dead Man's Switch?

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So many of us are trying to place either a white hat or a black hat on Assange's head, but is he really either? Whatever his motives, there seems to have been some negative consequences. Isn't that to be expected? We all can speculate, but can anyone conclusively show that he was intending to endanger lives and security purely for personal gain? Once it was clear he was being pursued, was it unreasonable for him to flee? Personally, I'm much more concerned about a lot of other information breaches.
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Re: Did Assange release the Dead Man's Switch?

Post by MikeN » Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:28 pm

18USC1030 says
" having knowingly accessed a computer without authorization or exceeding authorized access,"
They knowingly accessed, but Manning had authorization to access the computer, and authorization to access every file that he accessed.
Manning is in violation of Army regulations for using someone else's login, but Assange is not subject to that.
Is it hacking to get to files you already have access to?

There is still the crime of transmitting the files to Assange.

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Re: Did Assange release the Dead Man's Switch?

Post by scrmbldggs » Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:37 pm

You're trying quite hard here... but apparently Assange attempted to obtain and provide Manning with the needed code - conspiring.



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Re: Did Assange release the Dead Man's Switch?

Post by landrew » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:22 pm

If the American Revolution had failed, we might be reading about George Washington as a war criminal, and Benedict Arnold as a hero. Is it possible to regard Assange as an activist without either labeling him a hero or a villain?
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Re: Did Assange release the Dead Man's Switch?

Post by MikeN » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:00 pm

Eggsy, yes he conspired, but was it to access material Manning was not authorized to see, or exceeding Manning's authorization?

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MikeN wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:00 pm
Eggsy, yes he conspired, but was it to access material Manning was not authorized to see, or exceeding Manning's authorization?
It doesn't matter that Manning had legitimate access under his own credentials. That he attempted to access the same materials under false credentials is still hacking and of course illegal. Legitimate use of his assigned credentials includes that such access be for legitimate reasons - in pursuit of the assigned task and job responsibility. Access is logged and the logs reviewed, which is why he would want to use hacked credentials to hide his illegitimate access.

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Re: Did Assange release the Dead Man's Switch?

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TJrandom wrote:
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Eggsy, yes he conspired, but was it to access material Manning was not authorized to see, or exceeding Manning's authorization?
It doesn't matter that Manning had legitimate access under his own credentials. That he attempted to access the same materials under false credentials is still hacking and of course illegal. Legitimate use of his assigned credentials includes that such access be for legitimate reasons - in pursuit of the assigned task and job responsibility. Access is logged and the logs reviewed, which is why he would want to use hacked credentials to hide his illegitimate access.
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What's the Australian perspective?
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landrew wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:13 pm
So many of us are trying to place either a white hat or a black hat on Assange's head, but is he really either? Whatever his motives, there seems to have been some negative consequences. Isn't that to be expected? We all can speculate, but can anyone conclusively show that he was intending to endanger lives and security purely for personal gain? Once it was clear he was being pursued, was it unreasonable for him to flee? Personally, I'm much more concerned about a lot of other information breaches.
What a load of meaningless quibbling, equivocation, and blather.

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Re: Did Assange release the Dead Man's Switch?

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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:01 pm
landrew wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:13 pm
So many of us are trying to place either a white hat or a black hat on Assange's head, but is he really either? Whatever his motives, there seems to have been some negative consequences. Isn't that to be expected? We all can speculate, but can anyone conclusively show that he was intending to endanger lives and security purely for personal gain? Once it was clear he was being pursued, was it unreasonable for him to flee? Personally, I'm much more concerned about a lot of other information breaches.
What a load of meaningless quibbling, equivocation, and blather.

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Re: Did Assange release the Dead Man's Switch?

Post by MikeN » Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:29 pm

TJ, that is an assertion about hacking, that doesn't appear to be in the law. I refer you to 18 USC 1030.
Manning is in violation of army regulations, but it is not clear that he is in violation of hacking rules, which is relevant for Assange.

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Is Manning an Australian, too?
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:54 pm

landrew wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:15 pm
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:01 pm
landrew wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:13 pm
So many of us are trying to place either a white hat or a black hat on Assange's head, but is he really either? Whatever his motives, there seems to have been some negative consequences. Isn't that to be expected? We all can speculate, but can anyone conclusively show that he was intending to endanger lives and security purely for personal gain? Once it was clear he was being pursued, was it unreasonable for him to flee? Personally, I'm much more concerned about a lot of other information breaches.
What a load of meaningless quibbling, equivocation, and blather.

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Re: Did Assange release the Dead Man's Switch?

Post by TJrandom » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:22 am

MikeN wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:29 pm
TJ, that is an assertion about hacking, that doesn't appear to be in the law. I refer you to 18 USC 1030.
Manning is in violation of army regulations, but it is not clear that he is in violation of hacking rules, which is relevant for Assange.
I'd say it is in the law... Manning is in violation of this law. He did not have authorisation to access with false credentials nor for purposes outside of execution of his job.
intentionally, without authorization to access ...

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Re: Did Assange release the Dead Man's Switch?

Post by MikeN » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:10 am

TJ, the law doesn't say anything about accessing with false credentials, nor about purposes outside of execution of his job.
It says without authorization to access, or exceeding authorization.
Manning had authorization to access every file he accessed. He did not have authorization to transmit them to Assange.
'exceeds authorized access' means to go to a computer that you have authorized access to, and make changes to the computer or otherwise use this access to gain access to places you are not authorized per 18USC1030e6. I don't think hacking someone else's password to get to the same material applies.

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Re: Did Assange release the Dead Man's Switch?

Post by scrmbldggs » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:16 am

TJrandom[quote=TJrandom wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:22 am
...He did not have authorisation to access with false credentials nor for purposes outside of execution of his job.
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MikeN wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:10 am
...Manning had authorization to access every file he accessed...
With his (her) own password.
...He did not have authorization to transmit them to Assange...
So what's your beef?
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Re: Did Assange release the Dead Man's Switch?

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:19 am

MikeN wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:10 am
TJ, the law doesn't say anything about accessing with false credentials, nor about purposes outside of execution of his job.
It says without authorization to access, or exceeding authorization.
Manning had authorization to access every file he accessed. He did not have authorization to transmit them to Assange.
'exceeds authorized access' means to go to a computer that you have authorized access to, and make changes to the computer or otherwise use this access to gain access to places you are not authorized per 18USC1030e6. I don't think hacking someone else's password to get to the same material applies.
Gee Whiz, posting with the acuity of landrew. You can post "exceeding authorization" but claim that "accessing with false credentials" is anything other than?

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