The Day America Died

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The Day America Died

Post by Tom Palven » Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:48 am

Is it fair to say that the last nails have been driven in the coffin of the First Amendment rights to free speech and a free press?
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Re: The Day America Died

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Apr 13, 2019 10:43 am

That's one way to look at it. Another would be that Assange was making money off that {!#%@}.
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Re: The Day America Died

Post by mack_10 » Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:47 am

Or another way of looking at it is that Assange conspired with a serving military officer to steal classified documents, that is not freedom of speech and a free press that is espionage.. What else did he get and who did he sell it to?

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:14 pm

Yep. He did seem shocked that espionage is a crime.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:27 pm

I have been championing Assange as a fighter for FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM in is activities as a reporter and publisher revealing secrets of the USA. That still stands. I am willing to accept that he may have lost the protection of the First Amendment by engaging in espionage/theft however the facts get established. In my mind, he is still a fighter for FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM.....now, just as a rebel. No First Amendment Protection: still a hero.

He just wasn't patient enough. Expressing the true American Spirit. He should have waited for the information to come or the Russians to hand it over "if" he wanted First Amendment protections.........but he was too close to the issues and got personally involved and could not wait. Like I said, like Manning: a real American HERO.

If you disagree: how is providing secrecy for those in the USA government so they can shoot innocent civilians in the streets as a matter of sport be a matter of "National Security?"
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Re: The Day America Died

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:45 pm

How is that the only thing he leaked?
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Apr 14, 2019 12:36 am

Assange leaked a lot more than the helicopter assassination of by-standers and rescue workers who responded as provided by Manning....but it was this event that made the news and is the basis for the claimed hacking charge against Assange. I don't think the USA cares all that much about wikileaks information on glyphosate poisoning in Poland............neither do the Poles last time I checked.
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Re: The Day America Died

Post by TJrandom » Sun Apr 14, 2019 12:54 am

Tom Palven wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:48 am
Is it fair to say that the last nails have been driven in the coffin of the First Amendment rights to free speech and a free press?
Erm... No

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Re: The Day America Died

Post by ElectricMonk » Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:41 am

Assange killed wikileaks by making it his personal political plaything instead of a neutral depository of whistleblower information.
And he did that by creating a personality cult around himself and kicking out less showboating members who were more interested in the mission than the glory.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:28 am

Is wikileaks dead? Is any organization started, faced, and driven by one guy not going to follow that persons ups and downs pretty closely???

I could go into a long dither on the mostly erroneous and irrelevant demand/desire for "neutrality." Who does THAT?????? Leaving the truth a contest between two lies.

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Re: The Day America Died

Post by Gord » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:41 am

America died because...Julian Assange?

WTF am I even reading???
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Re: The Day America Died

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Apr 14, 2019 1:06 pm

Gord wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:41 am
America died because...Julian Assange?

WTF am I even reading???
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Re: The Day America Died

Post by TJrandom » Sun Apr 14, 2019 1:15 pm

It was intended as a joke... no?

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Re: The Day America Died

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Apr 14, 2019 1:18 pm

TJrandom wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 1:15 pm
It was intended as a joke... no?
Flopped if so.
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Re: The Day America Died

Post by TJrandom » Sun Apr 14, 2019 1:19 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 1:18 pm
TJrandom wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 1:15 pm
It was intended as a joke... no?
Flopped if so.
Indeed - a very poor joke.