History Repeats in Afghanistan

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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:39 am

Austin Harper wrote: Yeah, I do not understand at all why the US thought this was a good idea at all.
"BP" or British Petroleum was an Iranian company. It was about oil just after WWII.

Also, Mi6 didn't overthrow the government. They replaced Prime minister Mosaddegh with an existing cabinet member called Fazlollah Zahedi.

I'd like to remind people that from 1945 to 1955 many governments were being changed by the allies during the de-Nazification period. Iran is not unique. 50% of all Iranian trade in WWII was with Nazi Germany.

(I was headed ti Iran in 1979 for my first overseas anthropological dig, when the Iranian Revolution happened.......so I got sent to work at the British Library instead. That's where I converted to accounting. )
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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Tom Palven » Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:51 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:39 am
Austin Harper wrote: Yeah, I do not understand at all why the US thought this was a good idea at all.
"BP" or British Petroleum was an Iranian company. It was about oil just after WWII.

Also, Mi6 didn't overthrow the government. They replaced Prime minister Mosaddegh with an existing cabinet member called Fazlollah Zahedi.

I'd like to remind people that from 1945 to 1955 many governments were being changed by the allies during the de-Nazification period. Iran is not unique. 50% of all Iranian trade in WWII was with Nazi Germany.

(I was headed ti Iran in 1979 for my first overseas anthropological dig, when the Iranian Revolution happened.......so I got sent to work at the British Library instead. That's where I converted to accounting. )
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Remember, you're a lawyer, a millionaire videographer, and a graduate of The School of the Americas, wasn't it?

But never a Park Ranger.

Try to keep your facts straight.
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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:09 am

Tom Palven wrote: Try to keep your facts straight.
You were unable to name one fact I got wrong.

By the way, the Iranian government wasn't overthrown was it? The same government remained in place with a new Prime Minister installed by Mi6.

Try get your facts right next time.
:lol: :lol:

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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Tom Palven » Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:02 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:09 am
Tom Palven wrote: Try to keep your facts straight.
You were unable to name one fact I got wrong.

By the way, the Iranian government wasn't overthrown was it? The same government remained in place with a new Prime Minister installed by Mi6.

Try get your facts right next time.
:lol: :lol:
Everyone except you and your own Doublespeak facts call it a coup d'état, the overthrow of the government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iran ... p_d%27état

As the article says, the US didn't admit it's role until 60 years later, unlike what's going on in Venezuela right now where the US regime admits up front that's it's trying to overthrow the elected government.
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:06 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:By the way, the Iranian government wasn't overthrown was it? The same government remained in place with a new Prime Minister installed by Mi6. Try get your facts right next time. :lol: :lol:
Tom Palven wrote:Everyone except you and your own Doublespeak facts call it a coup d'état, the overthrow of the government.
Your link confirms it was the same government with a new Prime minister taken from the existing cabinet.. :lol: :lol:

Why are you so stupid?

(Who cares? You will be gone soon.)
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Re: Tom Palven is an idiot

Post by Tom Palven » Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:30 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:06 am
Matthew Ellard wrote:By the way, the Iranian government wasn't overthrown was it? The same government remained in place with a new Prime Minister installed by Mi6. Try get your facts right next time. :lol: :lol:
Tom Palven wrote:Everyone except you and your own Doublespeak facts call it a coup d'état, the overthrow of the government.
Your link confirms it was the same government with a new Prime minister taken from the existing cabinet.. :lol: :lol:

Why are you so stupid?

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:lol: :lol:
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Tom Palven is an idiot

Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:35 am

Tom Palven wrote: Are you sure that you're complying with the spirit of the rules?
You can ask Pyrrho that when you appeal to be allowed to post again. :lol: :lol: :lol:

If you were smart, you would sent Pyrrho an apology for ignoring his first warning of suspension and stop posting for a week or so until he replies. Tell Pyrrho it is 1,30 AM and you made mistakes as you were tired. .....but you are not smart. You are an idiot. :lol: :lol:

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Post by Tom Palven » Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:45 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:35 am
Tom Palven wrote: Are you sure that you're complying with the spirit of the rules?
You can ask Pyrrho that when you appeal to be allowed to post again. :lol: :lol: :lol:

If you were smart, you would sent Pyrrho an apology for ignoring his first warning of suspension and stop posting for a week or so until he replies. Tell Pyrrho it is 1,30 AM and you made mistakes as you were tired. .....but you are not smart. You are an idiot. :lol: :lol:
Thanks for the legal advice. :lol:
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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Tom Palven » Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:03 am

Austin Harper wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:08 pm
Tom Palven wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:17 am
The CIA and British MI6 overthrew a secular socialist democracy in Iran with Operation Ajax in 1953, paving the way for an Islamic republic:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/01/ ... 22584.html
Yeah, I do not understand at all why the US thought this was a good idea at all.
So far, Bolton has been unable to purchase the Venezuelan army. Probably not a good idea, either.
https://news.antiwar.com/2019/02/01/bol ... -imminent/
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:25 am

Tom Palven wrote:So far, Bolton has been unable to purchase the Venezuelan army.
1) Bolton did not attempt to buy the Venezuelan army
2) The article you linked, didn't even suggest it.

As per usual you lied and made up an entire story.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Why do you support dictator Nicolás Maduro?

Why do you support him arresting opposition parties before the election? Is this because you support Hitler doing the same with the socialists?
:lol: :lol:

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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by psychiatry is a scam » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:23 am

has anybody done a search on the word - idiot - ?

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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Matthew Ellard » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:26 am

psychiatry is a scam wrote: has anybody done a search on the word - idiot - ?
idiot

(fool, ass, halfwit, nincompoop, dunce, dolt, ignoramus, cretin, imbecile, dullard, moron, simpleton, clod, a person of low intelligence. )

Do you disagree?

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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by psychiatry is a scam » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:34 am

top of this page I have a large blue rectangle
on the left in that blue rectangle is --- phpBB THE SKEPTICS SOCIETY FORUM
and on the far right is a small box with the word --- search --- in it

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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Matthew Ellard » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:38 am

psychiatry is a scam wrote: top of this page I have a large blue rectangle on the left in that blue rectangle is --- phpBB THE SKEPTICS SOCIETY FORUM and on the far right is a small box with the word --- search --- in it
If you know this, why are you asking us to do the search for you? :?:

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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by psychiatry is a scam » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:50 am

no ; I am asking everybody to search that word for themselves .
and post the result of what they find

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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Matthew Ellard » Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:00 am

psychiatry is a scam wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:50 am
no ; I am asking everybody to search that word for themselves . and post the result of what they find
As everyone would get the same result from the search engine........why don't you do it yourself and post the result, yourself? :?:

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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by psychiatry is a scam » Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:03 am

because my opinion does not matter - does not matter here or even in reality .
it is the opinion of those who matter that I am interested in

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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Matthew Ellard » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:34 am

psychiatry is a scam wrote:because my opinion does not matter -
So you offered us your opinion that one of us should look up the word "idiot" on the forum? ....but you couldn't because your opinion doesn't matter? :shock:

You really need to go see a normal psychiatrist.

psychiatry is a scam wrote:it is the opinion of those who matter that I am interested in
As everyone would get the same result, including yourself, using the search engine.......there is no actual "opinion" being offered.

How about you drop out of this thread on Afghanistan and start a new thread.

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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Tom Palven » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:15 am

psychiatry is a scam wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:23 am
has anybody done a search on the word - idiot - ?
I just did the search.

Seems that the word "idiot" has been used 7186 times, with most of the references being to Tom Palven is an Idiot, with a few Bobbo is an Idiot, and a few others.

Seems a bit pejorative and a bit repetitious, doesn't it?

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History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Tom Palven » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:35 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:25 am
Tom Palven wrote:So far, Bolton has been unable to purchase the Venezuelan army.
1) Bolton did not attempt to buy the Venezuelan army
2) The article you linked, didn't even suggest it.

As per usual you lied and made up an entire story.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Why do you support dictator Nicolás Maduro?

Why do you support him arresting opposition parties before the election? Is this because you support Hitler doing the same with the socialists?
:lol: :lol:

What I post are my OPINIONS and it is my Opinion is that Bolton and the rest of the Trump regime would try to bribe Venezuelan generals as a first step toward a coup, and then resort to other economic and military measures.

Your other two sentences are ridiculous false assumptions, one being that I neither support nor want to overthrow Maduro. That should be up to the the Venezuelans, not Americans, just as getting rid of Trump should be up to Americans, not Venezuelans.

The other false assumption that I support "arresting opposition parties before election" and "support Hitler" are plain nutty and pretty typical of your posts.
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Tom Palven is an idiot

Post by Matthew Ellard » Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:58 am

Tom Palven wrote: What I post are my OPINIONS and it is my Opinion is that Bolton and the rest of the Trump regime would try to bribe Venezuelan generals as a first step toward a coup,
So you made up another complete story and pretended it was real, knowing it was crap.

Why do you lie so much?
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Tom Palven wrote: The other false assumption that I support "support Hitler" are plain nutty
Maduro arrested the opposition parties, like Hitler did. You are now saying you don't care one way or the other while simultaneously saying saying you support Taliban, who shot the opposition bans books, female education, and amputates limbs for minor crimes. .

You are even further to the right than Genghis Khan. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by TJrandom » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:00 am

Just over 7,000 times? Rather low, I think. How long has the Forum been around? Of course not to encourage.

BTW, since we are on the subject, yall might enjoy this.

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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Tom Palven » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:53 am

TJrandom wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:00 am
Just over 7,000 times? Rather low, I think. How long has the Forum been around? Of course not to encourage.

BTW, since we are on the subject, yall might enjoy this.
Yes, stupid seems to describe you and "Ellard," both.

Give it up.
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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by TJrandom » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:31 pm

Tom Palven wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:53 am
TJrandom wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:00 am
Just over 7,000 times? Rather low, I think. How long has the Forum been around? Of course not to encourage.

BTW, since we are on the subject, yall might enjoy this.
Yes, stupid seems to describe you and "Ellard," both.

Give it up.
Aw, I am so very hurt. :roll:

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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Matthew Ellard » Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:27 am

Tom Palven wrote: Yes, stupid seems to describe you and "Ellard," both. Give it up.
So you are now attacking senior member, TJrandom as well as Gawdzilla, OutofBreath and other popular skeptic members.

That's very brave considering you received your third moderator's warning in three days. It seems clear you are attempting "Death by Moderator".

viewtopic.php?f=79&p=694709#p694709

You really should relocate to the "David Icke Forum" or the "GodlikeProductions Forum". No one on this forum believes any of your Fox News right wing propaganda, thinly disguised as "anti war". All the holocaust deniers here all claim they are anti war, just as you do.

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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by psychiatry is a scam » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:01 am

this forum could have been something special .
they made the same mistake as the drug laws - instead of just doing simple confiscation - drug laws went to an extreme -
could have set this up with keywords that simply stop the comment from posting .
could still do that .

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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Matthew Ellard » Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:52 am

psychiatry is a scam wrote:this forum could have been something special .
It is something special and this thread is about Afghanistan

Can you piss off and make your insane comments in the community sub forum?

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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Tom Palven » Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:56 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:27 am
Tom Palven wrote: Yes, stupid seems to describe you and "Ellard," both. Give it up.
So you are now attacking senior member, TJrandom as well as Gawdzilla, OutofBreath and other popular skeptic members.

That's very brave considering you received your third moderator's warning in three days. It seems clear you are attempting "Death by Moderator".
So, according to Ellardspeak rules, it's okay to call someone an idiot 7,000 times or to tell Psychiatry is a Scam to piss off and that his comments are insane, but it's not okay to call someone "stupid."

Got it.
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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:48 am

Tom Palven wrote: So, according to Ellardspeak rules, it's okay to call someone an idiot 7,000 times
Yep. When they post something which is idiotic
Tom Palven wrote:or to tell Psychiatry is a Scam to piss off and that his comments are insane, but it's not okay to call someone "stupid."
Yep.....when the thread is about Afghanistan.

Do you have any comment about Afghanistan and your beloved Taliban executing the opposition and burning them alive?

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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by psychiatry is a scam » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:03 pm

have to admit I was totally wrong , again

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History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Tom Palven » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:54 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:52 am
Tom Palven wrote:it is apparently the US AIR FORCE that keeps the Vichy occupation government in power,
Tom Palven wrote:Why do you keep up your obfuscation, denying that US air strikes are propping up the Afghan fovernment?
What is a "foverment"? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Please remember you are a slightly senile, park ranger, who doesn't know where Afghanistan is.


US air strikes in Afghanistan increased in 2018:
https://www.military.com/daily-news/201 ... istan.html
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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:53 am

Tom Palven wrote: US air strikes in Afghanistan increased in 2018:
https://www.military.com/daily-news/201 ... istan.html
That's right, you complete idiot. NATO ( The USA is part of NATO) are killing off ISIS in Afghanistan, as ISIS is now in a small remaining pocket.

Are you going to leave the forum and join your ISIS friends in Afghanistan?
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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

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Matthew Ellard wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:53 am
Tom Palven wrote: US air strikes in Afghanistan increased in 2018:
https://www.military.com/daily-news/201 ... istan.html
That's right, you complete idiot. NATO ( The USA is part of NATO) are killing off ISIS in Afghanistan, as ISIS is now in a small remaining pocket.

Are you going to leave the forum and join your ISIS friends in Afghanistan?
:lol: :lol:
Uh huh.

The US being part of NATO is a regular mantra for you, but completely irrelevant.

After waging Operation Enduring Freedom and training the Afghan military in support of the Vichy puppet government for 18 years now, why is it that US air strikes are as high as ever?
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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:02 am

Tom Palven wrote:The US being part of NATO is a regular mantra for you, but completely irrelevant.
You are retarded and only read right wing comic books for your information, remember? .

It is NATO who runs RSM ("Resolute Support Mission") and "The NATO-Afghanistan Enduring Partnership". You forgot again that the USA is part of NATO.
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Tom Palven wrote:... in support of the Vichy puppet government for

1) Vichy is a French city in France and not in Afghanistan.
2) The Afghanistan Government was democratically elected and is not an occupation government.
3) You support the Pakistani controlled Taliban insurgents as they banned female education and you are an extreme right winger.
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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Tom Palven » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:15 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:02 am
Tom Palven wrote:The US being part of NATO is a regular mantra for you, but completely irrelevant.
You forgot again that the USA is part of NATO. :lol:
Yada, yada, yada.

Russia, Iran, and NATO member Turkey seek compromise; while your neocon ally Pence slams European NATO allies and keeps beating the US/Israeli bomb, bomb Iran war drums:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/02/ ... 57632.html
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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:38 am

Tom Palven wrote: Russia, Iran, and NATO member Turkey seek compromise; while your neocon ally Pence slams European NATO allies and keeps beating the US/Israeli bomb, bomb Iran war drums:
Tom you are always getting confused between Arkansas and Australia. There are what we call "countries" which are not in the USA. I live in Australia, which is an island, socialist country, in the Pacific Ocean. The Pacific Ocean is a large area of water of the West coast of the USA. You live in a caravan park in Florida on the other side of the USA.

Mike Pence is not vice president of Australia.

Tell me if you are still confused and I will draw you picture that you can understand.
:lol: :lol:

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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

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Matthew Ellard wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:38 am
Tom Palven wrote: Russia, Iran, and NATO member Turkey seek compromise; while your neocon ally Pence slams European NATO allies and keeps beating the US/Israeli bomb, bomb Iran war drums:
You live in a caravan park in Florida on the other side of the US. :lol: :lol:
Caravan park. :lol:

I really chuckled with that one.

You truly are a bundle of neocon laughs! :lol: :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen: :lol:
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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by landrew » Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:30 am

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Tom Palven is an idiot

Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:52 am

Tom Palven wrote:You truly are a bundle of neocon laughs!
Gee Tom....let's review that again.....

Tom Palven is against any public or social health care.
I promote social public and social health as I am a socialist


Tom Palven is against any form of social security
I promote social security as I am a socialist


Tom Palven is against any gun control
I promote strong gun control as I am a socialist


To Palven supports Taliban in Afghanistan who banned all female education and executed opposition parties
I promote democracy, the elected Afghanistan government and opposition parties as I am a socialist


Tom Palven uses videos and arguments copied from holocaust denials websites
I fight against holocaust denial


Sooooooooo Tom.. Why are you, an extremist right winger, who copies from Fox News, pro-Trump and holocaust denial websites calling me an "American neoconservative." :lol: :lol:

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:31 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:52 am


Sooooooooo Tom.. Why are you, an extremist right winger, who copies from Fox News, pro-Trump and holocaust denial websites calling me an "American neoconservative." :lol: :lol:
Because you have access to USA Gubment SEALED documents and publish their contents without being arrested for it while hypocritically selcting what to keep secret from the public and to arrest and put on trial those who publish the truth: USA Army Helicopter gun ship crews kill Iraqi citizens for sport. Claim otherwise.

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