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Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:24 am

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My idiotic position is that the US should leave Afghanistan to the Afghans, Iran to the Iranians, and so on, as opposed to your idiotic shallow state Australian position.
1) The Afghanistan government invited NATO and Australia to assist them removing the Syrian ISIL terrorists and Taliban ( Madrassa student movement controlled by Pakistan ) from Afghanistan under "Resolute Support". Taliban previously hid Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan before Pakistan hid him back in Pakistan. You didn't know anything that basic history did you? :lol: :lol:

2) Iran should be left alone and thankfully the USA may soon be thrown out of NATO before your beloved Donald Trump is impeached.

3) Australia and New Zealand went to war with Indonesia to free East Timor from the Indonesian occupation of 1975 when Indonesia shot all our journalists. We did this through the United Nations so as to obtain international consensus. East Timor is now a free country. .

Why are you so ignorant and stupid?
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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:58 am

Tom Palven wrote: Suspension of Afghan elections?

The elections were not suspended despite your neo-nazi claim the Afghan government is a "Fourth Reich Vichy occupation government (against Taliban from Pakistan's madrasas.)
Tom Palven wrote:"I stand by "Vichy Fourth Reich puppet government of Afghanistan" as an accurate description,
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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Tom Palven » Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:18 pm

Afghan army suffering potentially unsustainable casualties despite US training and air power:

https://news.antiwar.com/2018/11/13/gha ... our-years/
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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by landrew » Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:38 pm

Afghanistan has had an insurgent culture of resistance for centuries. They only get better at it over time.
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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Upton_O_Goode » Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:05 pm

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Afghanistan has had an insurgent culture of resistance for centuries. They only get better at it over time.
Indeed they do. Geez, the British learned this 130 years ago, and the Russians learned it 35 years ago. How long will it take the Americans to learn it?

And, as we know, those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. In this case, the memory is being suppressed, it seems.
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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Tom Palven » Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:27 am

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landrew wrote:
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Afghanistan has had an insurgent culture of resistance for centuries. They only get better at it over time.
Indeed they do. Geez, the British learned this 130 years ago, and the Russians learned it 35 years ago. How long will it take the Americans to learn it?

And, as we know, those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. In this case, the memory is being suppressed, it seems.

To us the conflicts that the US is involved in may look like mistakes, but the MIC might have a different viewpoint.

Who benefits? Follow the money, or cui bono?

"Cui bono, literally 'to whose profit?,' is a Latin phrase which is still in use as a key forensic question in legal and police investigation: finding out who has a motive for a crime. It is an adage that is used either to suggest a hidden motive or to indicate that the party responsible for something may not be who it appears at first to be."
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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:48 am

It isn't NATO that the Afghan army is fighting. It is the Taliban Student movement controlled by Pakistan's ISI.

If any of you were paying attention Russia has taken over peace talks in Afghanistan as a method of moving out NATO from near Iran.


Afghanistan war: Taliban attend landmark peace talks in Russia


"Russia has hosted a landmark international meeting on Afghanistan in Moscow aimed at kick-starting peace talks after decades of war. It is the first time Taliban militants have attended such an event.

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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:12 am

Tom Palven refuses to read any history. The Afghanistan problem was fundamentally about heroin. The Soviets left Afghanistan for a lot of reasons, including large numbers of its conscripts coming back with heroin addiction. Pakistan liaised with the mujaheddin, supplied them US weapons and sold their heroin. The mujaheddin fought the Soviets. The USA was happy.

When the Soviets left, the Pakistani ISI ( Inter Services Intelligence) then needed a new market for heroin so they sold to the west. The Pakistani sent in their own controlled Taliban ( Student movement) to seize power, NATO then went through a program to get Afghanistan farmers to grow other crops, so the fight between Pakistan and the West started. This culminated with Pakistan supporting Osama Bin Laden, in Afghanistan , while simultaneously taking US arms.

Frankly, I'm sort of glad the Russians are back. Russia hates Pakistan. India hates Pakistan. India and Russia have a mutual interest in letting Afghanistan become a normal democratic country, as it is in their proximity. NATO has sort of lost the plot and is on the other side of the planet. If Russia, India and NATO all work together there will be little Pakistan or Taliban can do to stop elections.

(On a more pragmatic level, the Afghanistan Army uses old Russian equipment and Russia can now supply the spare parts again. That's why Taliban is desperate to stop all Afghanistan elections) )
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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Upton_O_Goode » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:07 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:12 am
Tom Palven refuses to read any history. The Afghanistan problem was fundamentally about heroin. The Soviets left Afghanistan for a lot of reasons, including large numbers of its conscripts coming back with heroin addiction. Pakistan liaised with the mujaheddin, supplied them US weapons and sold their heroin. The mujaheddin fought the Soviets. The USA was happy.

When the Soviets left, the Pakistani ISI ( Inter Services Intelligence) then needed a new market for heroin so they sold to the west. The Pakistani sent in their own controlled Taliban ( Student movement) to seize power, NATO then went through a program to get Afghanistan farmers to grow other crops, so the fight between Pakistan and the West started. This culminated with Pakistan supporting Osama Bin Laden, in Afghanistan , while simultaneously taking US arms.

Frankly, I'm sort of glad the Russians are back. Russia hates Pakistan. India hates Pakistan. India and Russia have a mutual interest in letting Afghanistan become a normal democratic country, as it is in their proximity. NATO has sort of lost the plot and is on the other side of the planet. If Russia, India and NATO all work together there will be little Pakistan or Taliban can do to stop elections.

(On a more pragmatic level, the Afghanistan Army uses old Russian equipment and Russia can now supply the spare parts again. That's why Taliban is desperate to stop all Afghanistan elections) )

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Nice summary of the history. There's a documentary called "Charlie Wilson's War" about the chief instigator of the US backing of the Mujahedeen during the 1980s. Reagan was happy to get leverage to bring down the Evil Empire, even though it was imploding from its own corruption. So it was a very short-sighted policy, and of course, as soon as Communism was defeated, Islamism became the next bugaboo of American policy. It transcended national boundaries and therefore was much harder to fight. After nearly a generation of this struggle, we've got a population of young people who no longer remember having civil rights. In the US, the FBI and the DEA always could knock on your door and haul you away to secret detention centers, although they rarely did this to the middle class. But now, nobody dares risk offending Homeland Security. It is potentially as bad as the GPU/NKVD/KGB once was (and MGB probably still is). We can still demonstrate and write angry letters to the newspapers, and I suppose that is something positive. But don't imagine you have any rights if Homeland Security puts you under arrest. Our Congress thought we were such cowards that in the name of safety we'd willingly give up the rights we used to have vis-a-vis a government that wants to arrest us, so they cheerfully voted them away.
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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:33 am

Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:07 am
Nice summary of the history.


Russia has new tanks and AFVs for a professional army and the old spare parts for "old simple conscript AFVs" don't fit the new tanks. Russia has a surplus and monopoly on discount spare parts. The Afghanistan army uses old Russian equipment, has low training levels and has run out of spare parts. NATO cannot supply spare parts for old Russian tanks and AFVs.

Therefore Russia can work with NATO and India and finally get rid of the Pakistan ISI's Taliban. That's why Taliban sees the end coming. Taliban can no longer win militarily and can't win by a democratic vote. Therefore Taliban is going to tread water and reduce to a small fragmented terrorist group. However the senior taliban leaders are looking towards maximising their short term personal gain from heroin sales so they can retire in Pakistan

Afghanistan’s opium production is through the roof
From 2016 to 2017, the area under opium poppy cultivation in Afghanistan increased by 63 percent, to 328,000 hectares (ha); the estimated total production of opium shot up by 87 percent to 9,000 metric tons (mt). That’s the most in Afghan history. Most of the expansion of took place in Helmand province, long the hub of Afghan opium production as well as Taliban insurgency. ......Most U.S. ("street") heroin comes from Mexico and Colombia, and lately also perhaps Guatemala..

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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Upton_O_Goode » Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:15 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:33 am
Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:07 am
Nice summary of the history.


Russia has new tanks and AFVs for a professional army and the old spare parts for "old simple conscript AFVs" don't fit the new tanks. Russia has a surplus and monopoly on discount spare parts. The Afghanistan army uses old Russian equipment, has low training levels and has run out of spare parts. NATO cannot supply spare parts for old Russian tanks and AFVs.

Therefore Russia can work with NATO and India and finally get rid of the Pakistan ISI's Taliban. That's why Taliban sees the end coming. Taliban can no longer win militarily and can't win by a democratic vote. Therefore Taliban is going to tread water and reduce to a small fragmented terrorist group. However the senior taliban leaders are looking towards maximising their short term personal gain from heroin sales so they can retire in Pakistan

Afghanistan’s opium production is through the roof
From 2016 to 2017, the area under opium poppy cultivation in Afghanistan increased by 63 percent, to 328,000 hectares (ha); the estimated total production of opium shot up by 87 percent to 9,000 metric tons (mt). That’s the most in Afghan history. Most of the expansion of took place in Helmand province, long the hub of Afghan opium production as well as Taliban insurgency. ......Most U.S. ("street") heroin comes from Mexico and Colombia, and lately also perhaps Guatemala..

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-fr ... overreact/
Interesting. That's a persepective I didn't get from my haphazard following of the news media.

A guy I used to know suggested a simple problem to the opium crisis (and this would work in general). The government should simply buy the crop in exchange for an agreement (to be enforced by the US armed forces) to limit production to a reasonable amount. The government could then simply destroy it, or put it to benign use. I can see serious flaws in this policy, but it might be worth trying. We might cut the drug cartels out of the process, and perhaps actually lead to a decrease in use back home.
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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Tom Palven » Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:40 pm

Upton_O_Goode wrote:
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A guy I used to know suggested a simple problem to the opium crisis (and this would work in general). The government should simply buy the crop in exchange for an agreement (to be enforced by the US armed forces) to limit production to a reasonable amount. The government could then simply destroy it, or put it to benign use. I can see serious flaws in this policy, but it might be worth trying. We might cut the drug cartels out of the process, and perhaps actually lead to a decrease in use back home.
I think that in the past the government has bought up and stored milk and other agricultural commodities in order to prop up the prices for dairy farmers and other farmers, but I suspect that there were unintended consequences that were less than positive.

How about decriminalizing all drugs and knocking the profits of them? Too damned radical?

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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by landrew » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:00 pm

Tom Palven wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:40 pm
Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:15 pm

A guy I used to know suggested a simple problem to the opium crisis (and this would work in general). The government should simply buy the crop in exchange for an agreement (to be enforced by the US armed forces) to limit production to a reasonable amount. The government could then simply destroy it, or put it to benign use. I can see serious flaws in this policy, but it might be worth trying. We might cut the drug cartels out of the process, and perhaps actually lead to a decrease in use back home.
I think that in the past the government has bought up and stored milk and other agricultural commodities in order to prop up the prices for dairy farmers and other farmers, but I suspect that there were unintended consequences that were less than positive.
This is the practice of supply management.
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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:12 pm

Upton_O_Goode wrote: The government should simply buy the ( heroin) crop in exchange for an agreement (to be enforced by the US armed forces) to limit production to a reasonable amount. The government could then simply destroy it, or put it to benign use.
The government did pay money to Afghanistan farmers to replace opium crops with other crops. Taliban, when in total control of Afghanistan made growing poppies "anti-Islamic" and destroyed crops. However when Taliban started losing and needed to buy weapons it increased heroin production which was distributed by Pakistan.

There are better models to look at. The "golden Triangle" in South East Asia was reduced by targeting the production of heroin rather than the crops themselves. It is easier to destroy a factory than crops and farmers would change crops as a result.

I also think that the destruction of Taliban and ISIL in Afghanistan will end their need to sell heroin to buy weapons. A quick end to the war would be a good thing.

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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

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A quick end to the war--
In Afghanistan?? Isn't that asking for the implausible?
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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

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Matthew Ellard wrote: A quick end to the war--
Gord wrote:In Afghanistan?? Isn't that asking for the implausible?
Sure.....when nuclear war kills all humans and cockroaches rule the Earth!!!! Finally.....there will be peace in Afghanistan. :D

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Can't we just use a plague like in the movies? [/backseatwhine]
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Matthew Ellard wrote: A quick end to the war--
Gord wrote:In Afghanistan?? Isn't that asking for the implausible?
Sure.....when nuclear war kills all humans and cockroaches rule the Earth!!!! Finally.....there will be peace in Afghanistan. :D
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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Upton_O_Goode » Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:37 am

To paraphrase an ancient author, "Whom the gods wish to destroy, they cause to invade Afghanistan." I recall Schlesinger saying something to that effect back in November 2001. Well, he could have been wrong, if only Bush had stuck with the plan. Instead, he went running off after Iraqi oil, because that's what Cheney/Halliburton wanted, and left the Afghanis to pick up the pieces all by themselves, after failing to get Osama Bin Laden. We'll never know what Afghanistan might be today. History, I know, leaves little grounds for optimism here, but there was at least a chance.
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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Tom Palven » Sun Nov 18, 2018 4:24 pm

Who knows what might happen if Afghanistan if the US and England got out?

Last I heard Vietnam has the world's second fastest-growing economy next to China with no help from the US.
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Tom Palven wrote:Who knows what might happen if Afghanistan if the US and England got out?
...and France, and Russia and Italy, and Germany and all the countries investing capital into Afghanistan. (You don't know what "capital" is do you, because you never studied economics) :lol: :lol:

Are you so anti-free trading rights that you want to ban Afghanistan from borrowing from any country to build new factories, roads and so on? Why are you arguing for Afghan sanctions against two NATO members, who the Afghanistan government invited in?.
Tom Palven wrote:Last I heard Vietnam has the world's second fastest-growing economy next to China with no help from the US.
You really are a total idiot. Who cares about the USA, who had a war with Vietnam and issued sanctions against Vietnam until 2016. . Sth Korea is the biggest capital investor in Vietnam. :lol: :lol:

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Re: History Repeats in Afghanistan

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North Korea destroys more guard posts:
https://news.antiwar.com/2018/11/20/nor ... ized-zone/
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:01 am

Tom Palven wrote:
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North Korea destroys more guard posts:
https://news.antiwar.com/2018/11/20/nor ... ized-zone/
North Korea destroyed ten empty guard posts yet kept making nuclear weapons and testing ICBMs at secret locations.

Do you have a point?

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No wonder Trump has a hard-on for North Korea. They have less scruples than himself (if that's even possible).
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History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Tom Palven » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:26 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
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Tom Palven wrote:Without US air power the homeboy resistance would have sent our US crusaders packing long ago.
You absolute idiot. The Afghanistan army that fights Taliban uses Russian equipment.

Why do you lie so much? :lol: :lol: :lol:
A reference to US air power that you claim is nonexistent:
https://original.antiwar.com/Brett_Wilk ... -children/
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:25 am

Tom Palven wrote:Without US air power the homeboy resistance would have sent our US crusaders packing long ago.
You complete idiot. :lol: :lol: :lol: Your "homeboy resistance" is Taliban controlled by Pakistan. Taliban and Pakistan hid Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan.

Why do you support Osama Bin Laden and Taliban against the Afghanistan democratically elected government?
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Mathew Ellard wrote: You absolute idiot. The Afghanistan airforce that fights Taliban uses Russian equipment.
Tom Palven wrote: A reference to US air power that you claim is nonexistent:
Afghanistan Airforce
322nd Air Regiment, Bagram Air Base, three fighter squadrons with 40 MiG-21s
321st Air Regiment, Bagram Air Base, three fighter/bomber squadrons with Su-7/Su-22
393rd Air Regiment, Dehdadi Air Base (Balkh), three fighter/bomber squadrons with MiG-17s
355th Air Regiment, Shindand Airbase, 3 bomber squadrons with Il-28s and one fighter/bomber squadron with MiG-17s
232nd Air Regiment, Kabul Airport, three helicopter squadrons with Mi-4, Mi-6, and Mi-8 with one squadron of Mi-8s detached to Shindand
377th Air Regiment, Kabul Airport, four helicopter squadrons with Mi-25s and Mi-17s
? Air Regiment, Kabul Airport, two transport squadrons with An-2, An-26/30, and one VIP transport squadron with one Il-18 and 12 An-14s
two attack helicopter squadrons with Mi-24s at Jallalabad and Kabul
Air Force Academy, Kabul, with Yak-18s and L-39s

These are all Russian aircraft. Why are you so stupid? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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History Repeats in Afghanistan

Post by Tom Palven » Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:43 pm

When the question is the effect of US air power in Afghanistan, changing the subject to the composition of the Afghan air force is called a Red Herring Fallacy:
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/too ... ed_Herring

Red Herring Fallacies are related to "obfuscation" and "disinformation," and are part the broader terminology called Bullsh-t.
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:06 am

Tom Palven wrote:When the question is the effect of US air power in Afghanistan, changing the subject to the composition of the Afghan air force is called a Red Herring Fallacy:
Because you are senile and uneducated, , you forgot that it is a NATO exercise and the French, British, Dutch and 26 other countries are also bombing Taliban insurgents and ISIL. You only mention the USA because you don't know much about other countries and post anti USA Russian propaganda.

Your ongoing stupidity was clear when you claimed Taliban were the the "homeboys" and good guys and threw out the Soviets. In reality, Taliban didn't even exist back then. Taliban came six years later, controlled by Pakistan, removed all girls from school, cut peoples hands off for minor crimes, blew up old cultural monuments and hid Osama Bin Laden.

Why do you support Taliban and Osama Bin Laden?

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Post by Tom Palven » Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:49 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:06 am
Tom Palven wrote:When the question is the effect of US air power in Afghanistan, changing the subject to the composition of the Afghan air force is called a Red Herring Fallacy:
Because you are senile and uneducated, , you forgot that it is a NATO exercise and the French, British, Dutch and 26 other countries are also bombing Taliban insurgents and ISIL. You only mention the USA because you don't know much about other countries and post anti USA Russian propaganda.

Your ongoing stupidity was clear when you claimed Taliban were the the "homeboys" and good guys and threw out the Soviets. In reality, Taliban didn't even exist back then. Taliban came six years later, controlled by Pakistan, removed all girls from school, cut peoples hands off for minor crimes, blew up old cultural monuments and hid Osama Bin Laden.

Why do you support Taliban and Osama Bin Laden?

Again, the question you are obfuscating is THE EFFECT OF US AIR POWER in Afghanistan.
https://news.antiwar.com/2018/11/30/un- ... civilians/
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:34 am

Tom Palven wrote: Again, the question you are obfuscating is THE EFFECT OF US AIR POWER in Afghanistan.
No Tom Palven. You are simply lying as per usual. Airpower in Afghanistan is controlled by NATO and not the USA.

Do you know who the NATO Air Command–Afghanistan (NAC-A) commander is at the moment?

( Hint : the French Aircraft Carrier Charles De Gualle was his command post.)
Aircraft carrier Charles_De_Gaulle.jpg
This also shows how retarded your claim is that the 1961 USA military industrial complex started the war in Afghanistan, considering the French fly French Rafales and the UK UK Tornadoes.

You never answered by questions. Why do you support Taliban and Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan?

You really are very senile. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by Tom Palven » Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:18 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:34 am
Tom Palven wrote: Again, the question you are obfuscating is THE EFFECT OF US AIR POWER in Afghanistan.
No Tom Palven. You are simply lying as per usual. Airpower in Afghanistan is controlled by NATO and not the USA.
You really are very senile. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



A fraction of US air power in Afghanistan:
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/artic ... fghanistan

Why does Reuters say "US Forces" instead of "NATO forces"? You'd better straighten Reuters out on this.
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:18 am

Tom Palven wrote: Why does Reuters say "US Forces" instead of "NATO forces"? You'd better straighten Reuters out on this.
......because the USA is part of NATO in Afghanistan, you complete idiot.
It's the same reason Reuters says the "French aircraft carrier Charles De Gaulle" for the French navy in Afghanistan as part of NATO.

Why are you so incredibly stupid? :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news ... dLocale=en
NATO and Afghanistan / Nato Homepage
NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said, "I'm looking forward to working closely with General Miller as the new Commander of our Resolute Support Mission, and I thank General Nicholson for his outstanding service." He stressed that "NATO remains committed to supporting Afghan security forces as they create the conditions for lasting security and peace.

At the NATO Summit in Brussels, on 11-12 July 2018, Heads of State and Government of all Allies and operational partners contributing to the Resolute Support Mission decided to sustain the mission until conditions on the ground indicate a change is appropriate, and to extend financial support for the Afghan security forces through 2024. They reaffirmed their support to an Afghan-led and Afghan-owned peace and reconciliation process."


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Post by Tom Palven » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:48 am

"The overwhelming majority of airstrikes in Afghanistan are conducted by the US and its NATO allies. The Afghan government, however, has its own growing air force..."
https://news.antiwar.com/2018/12/02/air ... -pakistan/

Why don't you explain to Reuters that it is wrong to speak of "US Air Power in Afghanistan?"
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/artic ... fghanistan
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:05 am

Tom Palven wrote:"The overwhelming majority of airstrikes in Afghanistan are conducted by the US and its NATO allies. The Afghan government, however, has its own growing air force..."
Finally after two years, you finally worked out that NATO was invited by the democratically elected Afghanistan government to help them throw out the Pakistani controlled Taliban. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Do you still claim the democratically elected Afghan government is "Vichy" ( a small town in France?

Do you still claim the democratically elected Afghan government is the "Fourth Reich" ( Nazi German)

Do you still claim Taliban are the "good guy homeboys"? (Taliban ban female education, amputate limbs of petty criminals, destroy non Islamic monuments of antiquity and hid Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan)

Why do you support Taliban and Osama Bin Laden?

Did you still support Osama Bin Laden killing 3,500 US citizens on 9/11? Why?

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Post by Tom Palven » Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:29 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:05 am

Do you still claim the democratically elected Afghan government is "Vichy"

Do you still claim Taliban are the "good guy homeboys"?

Yes.

History repeats.

Qui bono?
https://news.antiwar.com/2018/12/31/cia ... ine-trust/
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:26 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:Do you still claim the democratically elected Afghan government is "Vichy"
Do you still claim Pakistan's Taliban are the "good guy homeboys" in Afghanistan?
Tom Palven wrote:Yes. History repeats. Qui bono?
https://news.antiwar.com/2018/12/31/cia ... ine-trust/


Your link to a pro-Trump blogger, does not mention either Taliban or the french city of Vichy.

Why are you so incredibly stupid?
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Post by Tom Palven » Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:54 am

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:15 am

The CIA calls for airstrikes to kill Taliban insurgent leadership in Afghanistan. Gosh Tom. When did you find out?

You do realise the CIA also found your hero, Osama Bin Laden, in Pakistan?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Tom Palven » Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:34 am

the link didn't come up. Here is the story. SSDD:

War crimes?
CIA-managed forces in Afghanistan are reportedly conducting 'torture and killings with near impunity'
December 31, 2018

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Afghan strike forces overseen by the CIA are operating with little care for preventing civilian casualties, a lengthy New York Times report details Monday, and their brutality has fostered local populations' sympathy for the Taliban.
The CIA-managed teams work "unconstrained by battlefield rules designed to protect civilians, conducting night raids, torture and killings with near impunity," the Times reports, citing Afghan and American officials. "Those abuses are actively pushing people toward the Taliban, the officials say," and as the U.S. military footprint in the country has declined from its 2011 peak of about 100,000, these "strike forces are increasingly the way that a large number of rural Afghans experience the American presence." Unconfirmed reports suggest some raids may even include American operatives.
Though the strike forces are considered more effective than their counterparts without CIA sponsorship, their successes against militants are mixed with ruthless but inaccurate targeting of innocent people. In one case, "two brothers were killed as they watered their fields before dawn after receiving permission from the local security outpost."
In another, a night raid on a family home ended with three adults summarily executed and the home in flames. A 3-year-old girl, Marina, was found burned to death in a bedroom. Local investigators concluded the victims were innocent and the raid was an "atrocity."
In these and other cases the Times investigated, victims "were at a loss for where to seek justice, or an explanation of why they had been raided" or subjected to torture.
The CIA declined to comment to The New York Times. Read the full report here. Bonnie Kristian
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