The Pyramids of Giza represent the sky in 10,500BC

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The Pyramids of Giza represent the sky in 10,500BC

Post by Kilik » Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:36 am
Orion, Taurus, Sirius and The Milky Way
during the Age of Leo ~ circa 10,500 BC

Very ancient people in many different traditions placed very special importance to precessional numbers, and based their practices and monuments on constellations and precession

10,500 BC is when orion's belt in the sky aligns with the Pyramids at the lowest point and also, at that point it is a pefect 45 degree angle

the southern shaft points to that constellation ... late4a.jpg ... late4b.jpg

Sky and Stars in the Horizon at 10,500 BC

John Anthony West is a Pythagorean who showed the Sphinx and possibly more of Giza is 12,000 years old

Kaballah also contains the same principles as YHWH, and pythagorean concepts
The Tetragrammaton

By arranging the four letters of the Great Name, (I H V H), in the form of the Pythagorean Tetractys, the 72 powers of the Great Name of God are manifested.

* = I = 10 = 10
* * = H I = 5+10 = 15
* * * = V H I = 6+5+10 = 21
* * * * = H V H I = 5+6=5+10 = 26
The Great Name of God = 72

There is something which seperates east and west far in prehistory, concerning prehistoric civilization. But there are still great similarities. Graham Hancock has shown that both traditions are based on precession, that the sky changes by 1 degree every seventy two years.

There's a reson the numbers 72, 108, 36, and Pi come up all over the world, and it's not because Mr. Hancock force fitted it. Those definitely are key numbers to traditions from all over the world. Most Taoist systems are based on combinations of 72 and 36. 72 and 36 come up all the time in Taoism. 108 is a common buddhist number. 72 is also an Essene number. I know that anyways. Thae fact that Mr. Hancock shows that those are also key numbers in Egyt, definitely shows somethig impressive.Tibetan Yoga is based on 144.

The conclusion the evidence leans towards, indicates that ancient Egyptians had their own enlightenment systems, and that they are related to the Essenes, Buddists, and of course Taoists. As Hancock put it, a lost culture of "astronomer preists" who are the foundation of all those cultures.

- 72 is Hancock's "ruling" number because it is an important precessional number. The stars move one degree every 72 years

- 72 is also a key number in all spiritual systems, and so is astrology

- Giza is a representation or actually a "mirrior" of the Milky Way, and Taoist practices are also concerned with the milky way and "mirror" the sky in much the same way. Taoist practices start facing south and "mirrior" the sky in a very similar way.

Graham Hancock showed that the Zodiac, and the knowledge of "precession", existed in ancient Egypt from the earliest times-
"Precession is the wobble-effect of the earth's axis which makes the stars move one degree every 72 years, or one complete cycle every 25,920 years."


"As a result, astrologically the sun rises on the spring equinox against a new constellation every 2160 years. Today that constellation is about to be Aquarius, in Roman times it was Pisces. Before that Aries and Taurus. This constellation is considered the "ruling" constellation, with the solsticial and equinoctial constellations forming the "four corners" of the astrological "earth."
Zodiac in Egypt

So I can't say for certain that Egyptian and Chinese traditions point to the exact same constellations, but in the sense of mirroring the stars on the ground along a similar axis and course, they are doing the exact same thing just in different parts of the globe. It's also quite possible if you look at the diagrams on Mr. Hancock's site, that the zodiacs and astrology used in Egypt, are based on Jupiter and ecliptic, like the chinese Zodiac. I can't say for sure, but it looks like to me the most likely occurence

See this page, it talks about how the Giza pyramids and the chinese Lo Pan both mirror the sky in a similar way. Some Taoist systems are totally astrological, contain 72 sets, and are not to be taught to others until the person has been practicing 70 years

- Hancock has shown that a certain combination of the 72 temples at Angkor Wat(once thought to be a myth) are mirroring the draco constellation. And that there are 108 buddha statues there which represent the "churning of the milky ocean" and are representing precession

Here's a critical article on im that still admits there is some substance to his claims-

the reason 144 is base number for all these independant traditions, is due to astrology and precession, interesting.

Here's an image from illustrating some aspects at Giza ... tarmap.gif

Chinese and Tibetan Pyramids

here's a site which compares chinese astrology to the Giza layout a little bit

Precise Astronomical knowledge-

Chinese Astrology has been shown to also be based on Precession
"The McKennas demonstrated this by overlaying the 384 lines of the 64 hexagrams (6 x 64 = 384) on the 13 month lunar calendar (13 X 29.53 days = 383.89 days). They then used these basic units to develop a temporal lock with the solar/sunspot cycle, the Zodiacal Ages, and the length of the Great Year of precessional motion. With the same increment, 64, they found it was possible to assemble a 26 step model of space/time from the size/age of the universe down to Planck's Constant. In this view, the I Ching is a fractal model of all that is, was, or will be. It is also hologramic, in that the piece, the I Ching, contains the information of the whole, the evolving universe."
So Ancient Egyptians, Greeks, and other cultures including the ancient Chinese also retained the knowledge of precession cycles. So even if some constellations are different between east and west, they are both based on jupiter and the same ecliptic, and they are both based on the idea of Precession.

Info on the Falun Pattern. Note that it is compatible with Tao cultivation, and also the order of colors in which it changes. I think the main difference between buddha and Tao cultivation is that a buddha offers salvation to anyone sincere, where only a few pre-destined disciples learn in the lineage of Taoist systems much of the time. It also represents the universe including the Milky Way

Pyramids of Giza ... Egypt1.jpg

The math of the Egyptian God/Atlantean Thoth. Appears very similar in structure to chinese philosophy

Tablets of Thoth
from "The Keys to Life and death", a part referring to Chakra cutlivation-
When thou hast learned to hold thine own balance,
then shalt thou draw on the balance of Earth.
Exist then shalt thou while Earth is existing,
changing in form, only when Earth, too, shalt change:
Tasting not of death, but one with this planet,
holding thy form till all pass away.

List ye, O man, whilst I give the secret so that
ye, too, shalt taste not of change.
One hour each day shalt thou lie
with thine head pointed to the
place of the positive pole (north).
One hour each day shalt thy head be
pointed to the place of the negative pole (south).
Whilst thy head is placed to the northward,
hold thou thy consciousness from the chest to the head.

And when thy head is placed southward,
hold thou thy thought from chest to the feet.
Hold thou in balance once in each seven,
and thy balance will retain the whole of its strength.
Aye, if thou be old, thy body will freshen

and thy strength will become as a youth's.
This is the secret known to the Masters
by which they hold off the fingers of Death.
Neglect not to follow the path I have shown,
for when thou hast passed beyond years
to a hundred to neglect
it will mean the coming of Death.

Hear ye, my words, and follow the pathway.
Keep thou thy balance and live on in life."
and The Keys of "Magic"
When unto thee comes a feeling,
drawing thee nearer to the darker gate,
examine thine heart and find if the feeling
thou hast has come from within.
If thou shalt find the darkness thine own thoughts,
banish them forth from the place in thy mind.

Send through thy body a wave of vibration,
irregular first and regular second,
repeating time after time until free.
Direct it in waves from thine head to thy foot.

But if thou findest thine heart is not darkened,
be sure that a force is directed to thee.
Only by knowing can thou overcome it.
Only be wisdom can thou hope to be free.
Knowledge brings wisdom and wisdom is power.
Attain and ye shall have power o'er all.

Seek ye first a place bound by darkness.
Place ye a circle around about thee.
Stand erect in the midst of the circle.
Use thou this formula, and you shalt be free.
Raise thou thine hands to the dark space above thee
. Close thou thine eyes and draw in the LIGHT.

Call to the SPIRIT OF LIGHT through the Space-Time,
using these words and thou shalt be free:
"Fill thou my body, O SPIRIT OF LIfe,
fill thou my body with SPIRIT OF LIGHT.
Come from the FLOWER
that shines through the darkness.
Come from the HALLS where the Seven Lords rule.

Name them by name, I, the Seven:
and SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT--Nine.

In order to obtain this energy sensation be prepared to find yourself breathing just a few breaths, or as many as 144. ... nimopt.gif

The Pyramids of Giza are built along probably a north/south and planetary alignment, and the shafts are directed towards certain constellations. Graham Hancock, Robert Buvaul, and others have shown this. That in itself is also similar to some Asian traiditions.

Chinese and Tibetan Pyramids

Wu Ji, Tai Ji, Yin Yang, 8 trigrams, and Color

Some cool video clips here of 1700 year old qigong school from China and Tibet. It contains 72 sets in total.

clips of the cultivation forms-

Check out how similar the Dayan qigong posture at the very bottom of this page, is to Yoga
7 STAR OPENING GONG: Relates to Big Dipper constellation and North Star. Benefits the joints and kidneys and balances the heart and lungs.

LONG VISION DAN GONG: Develops the 'Sky-Eye' potential.
Traditionally the skill had been handed down for generations to one person only, and by custom the inheritor was not allowed to pass it on before reaching the age of 70.
That is very interesting considering how concerned this tradition is with astrology, and Mr. Hancock's finding in other areas of the world

I highly suspect that the tradition is because the sky moves on e degree every 72 years. The Grandmaster of Dayan Qigong died at age 108, also not a coincidence
Dayan Qigong (Wild Goose Qigong) originated from within the Kunlun mountains, to the west of China, north of Tibet during the Jin Dynasty, around 1,800 years ago. Kunlun Shan is traditionally one of China's spiritual mountains. The Daoist monks who resided there developed their Qigong from observing the movements and behaviour of the Wild Geese (known as birds of longevity) which shared the mountains with them. The monks combined their knowledge of Chinese medical principles with the birds' natural movements to create an exceedingly healthy and graceful exercise.

Dayan Qigong contains both vigorous and gentle movements, actions combined with stillness, and beautiful postures. The movements work directly with the acupuncture points and channels, stimulating and opening them, to allow the free flow of Qi. Vigorous movements, including jumping, shaking, slapping, and swooping, release negative Qi while the gentle movements gather fresh Qi. Meditation stores the freshly accumulated Qi.

Actually it's not just Giza either

the pyramid of Zawyat Al Aryan and the pyramid of Abu Ruwash were reprenting stars in the constellation of Orion, namely Bellatrix and Saiph, and that the two pyramids of Dahshur correlated to two stars in the Taurus-Hyades constellation, namely Aldebaran and Epsilon Tauri.

The core of the Orion-Pyramids correlation theory, which I started to develop in 1983, was based on the pattern of the three stars forming the Belt Of Orion, namely Al Nitak, Alnilam and Mintaka (Zeta, Epsilon and Delta Orionis). This theory was presented during 1983 to 1986 to various eminent Egyptologists and other academics, including Dr. I.E.S. Edwards, Dr. T.G.H. James, Dr. Jaromir Malek, Dr. Cathleen Keller and others. It was subsequently submitted to Dr. Alessandra Nibbi, editor of the Oxford journal Discussion In Egyptology in 1988 and published in Vol. 13, 1989, pp. 7-18 under the title A Master Plan For The Three Pyramids Of Giza Based On the Configuration Of The Three Stars Of The Belt Of Orion.

Kate Spence also showed astrological alignments that she published in the journal "Nature", but I think Robert Buvaul pointed out a few things that are hipocritical and inconsistent in her work. It seems she basically ripped off Buvaul's theory, but only used alignements that were possible in 4,500 BC and she discarded alignments of the ground plan that match 10,000 BC

Article on it by Mr. Buvaul-
Finally Kate Spence knows, or should know, the ethics of scholarly publication. Her failure to make proper reference to the published works of Dr. Virginia Trimble* and myself (especially because in the latter case the same stellar alignment is used to arrive at practically the same dating of the Great Pyramid) is thus surprising and inexplicable in view of the circumstances. But then the whole approach of the BBC Horizon programme, Atlantis Reborn, in which Kate Spence participated, was most inexplicable as well. The Broadcasting Standards Commission branded this programme’s treatment of my work on the stellar alignments of the Giza Pyramid ‘unfair’. It now remains to be seen how Kate Spence's claims in Nature will fare.

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Post by CheckMite » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:48 pm

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Post by Shining Sociopath » Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:42 pm

A perfect example of exactly how and why a heap of links doesn't support anything.
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Post by BlueSpark » Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:23 pm

So the pyramids are lined up like certain celestial objects of 10,500 BC. Okay, and this proves...that the ancient Egyptians could see the sky?

Wow. :shock:

I do have one other question: is it possible to put a bunch of pyramids in a formation that does NOT mimic a pattern to be found in the night sky? I would be more impressed were someone to do THAT!


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Post by Kilik » Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:15 am

they match only, and only, in 10,500 BC ... rch=sphinx

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Post by BlueSpark » Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:36 pm

Kilik wrote:they match only, and only, in 10,500 BC ... rch=sphinx

Only and only??

When I spread my fingers my fingernails match the Southern Cross only, and only, in 45,000 BC. My teeth match, only and only, the stars as they appear along the western horizon at my longitude.

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Post by Moo » Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:07 am

I have no idea on this, astronomy or astrology whatever the one it is, is not my forte. Obviously, to me, the ancients watched the skies but why and how did they align certain structures to certain star points I don't know. Could we ever really know? Although i am fascinated how they still align after all this time , despite comments that the earth has slipped over time.
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Post by beckosaurus » Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:03 pm

Kilik wrote:they match only, and only, in 10,500 BC ... rch=sphinx

I am an astronomer - I find this intriguing. Let me ask you a few questions:

What is the correlation coefficient for this "match"?

How many other asterisms (groupings of stars) have you tried correlating
the pyramids with in the period from 10,500 BC and now?

I also, am somewhat curious about the precision of the date: 10,500 B.C.
To the naked eye, star positions don't change for a few hundred years ...
so would they 'match' (ie. have the same correlation) in 11,000 BC -
how about 10,000 BC?

Have you calculated the p-value for this correlation? Is so, what is it?
(For those who don't know, a P-value is essentially the probability that
the match is just chance)

BTW: Many people have found correlations between two points at
stonehenge and the rising and setting positions of various stars -
this still doesn't prove that Stonehenge was built specifically to
be so aligned.
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Post by Kilik » Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:00 am

it's the first time it is visible at the lowest point in the horizon, implying a beginning of a cycle. It's not visible for every month, I think. I think neways, that it first appears in alignment in July 10,500 BC, at an exact 45 degree angle and this is also when the milky way matches the nile in the sky and the sphinx faces towards and matches Leo

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Post by rrichar911 » Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:56 pm

There is a contradiction in the first link

It states that the blocks were possably "floated" into place, and that they were joined together with molten iron poured into ajoining groves.

Well, if they were floated the grooves could have been carved into the rock and set in place, thus making the molten iron unnecessary.
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Post by Kilik » Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:32 pm

Tibetan Secrets of Levitation

In his book The Bridge to Infinity, Bruce Cathie recounts an amazing story that he says originated in a German magazine. It tells the story of astonishing feats of levitation accomplished by priests in a monastery high in the Tibetan Himalayas. Here, in English translation, are excepts from that German article:

A Swedish doctor, Dr. Jarl... studied at Oxford. During those times he became friends with a young Tibetan student. A couple of years later, it was 1939, Dr. Jarl made a journey to Egypt for the English Scientific Society. There he was seen by a messenger of his Tibetan friend, and urgently requested to come to Tibet to treat a high Lama. After Dr. Jarl got the leave he followed the messenger and arrived after a long journey by plane and Yak caravans, at the monastery, where the old Lama and his friend who was now holding a high position were now living.

One day his friend took him to a place in the neighborhood of the monastery and showed him a sloping meadow which was surrounded in the north west by high cliffs. In one of the rock walls, at a height of about 250 metres was a big hole which looked like the entrance to a cave. In front of this hole there was a platform on which the monks were building a rock wall. The only access to this platform was from the top of the cliff and the monks lowered themselves down with the help of ropes.

In the middle of the meadow. about 250 metres from the cliff, was a polished slab of rock with a bowl like cavity in the center. The bowl had a diameter of one metre and a depth of 15 centimeters. A block of stone was maneuvered into this cavity by Yak oxen. The block was one metre wide and one and one-half metres long. Then 19 musical instruments were set in an arc of 90 degrees at a distance of 63 metres from the stone slab. The radius of 63 metres was measured out accurately. The musical instruments consisted of 13 drums and six trumpets. (Ragdons).

Behind each instrument was a row of monks. When the stone was in position the monk behind the small drum gave a signal to start the concert. The small drum had a very sharp sound, and could be heard even with the other instruments making a terrible din. All the monks were singing and chanting a prayer, slowly increasing the tempo of this unbelievable noise. During the first four minutes nothing happened, then as the speed of the drumming, and the noise increased, the big stone block started to rock and sway, and suddenly it took off into the air with an increasing speed in the direction of the platform in front of the cave hole 250 metres high. After three minutes of ascent it landed on the platform.

Continuously they brought new blocks to the meadow, and the monks using this method, transported 5 to 6 blocks per hour on a parabolic flight track approximately 500 metres long and 250 metres high. From time to time a stone split, and the monks moved the split stones away. Quite an unbelievable task. Dr Jarl knew about the hurling of the stones. Tibetan experts like Linaver, Spalding and Huc had spoken about it, but they had never seen it. So Dr Jarl was the first foreigner who had the opportunity to see this remarkable spectacle. Because he had the opinion in the beginning that he was the victim of mass-psychosis he made two films of the incident. The films showed exactly the same things that he had witnessed.

The English Society for which Dr Jarl was working confiscated the two films and declared them classified. ... 31901a.htm ... 31901b.htm