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Info about Pyramids of Giza-something's not right

Post by Kilik » Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:25 am

Interesting info on the Pyramid
http://www.rickrichards.com/egypt/Egypt6.htm
http://www.rickrichards.com/egypt/sec_8.gif
http://www.rickrichards.com/egypt/kh.gif
Why is the photograph of the cartouche in Figure 4 NOT an accurate representation of the SAME CARTOUCHE as depicted in Figure 3?

Based on Col. Howard Vyse's authentic historical record (dated May 27, 1837) I believe the original cartouche discovered in Campbell's Chamber looked exactly like that drawn in Figure 3 (the glob of paint looks like excess paint to me.)

But why does the modern-day photograph look so different from the original drawing of the same cartouche?

I believe that days or years or centuries or millennia later, someone (Vyse? or a modern-day Egyptian restoration project?) realized the circle needed THREE crosshatches inside it in order to correctly spell the letters "Kh" (as in Khufu) and painted three (3) crosshatches in the circle, the middle crosshatch covering the ORIGINAL DOT in the center, which is depicted in Fig.3. But, while the forger(s?) painted the new crosshatches, they inadvertently made another dreadful mistake -— They didn't quite cover up the entire DOT in the center that was originally drawn! (see Fig.3)

Examine Fig.4 again, this time VERY CLOSELY. The middle crosshatch has a very obvious and suspicious bulge in its center. I believe this bulge WAS originally A DOT at one time, particularly on May 27, 1837 when the historic discovery was first made and recorded (drawn.)

If any of you are wondering about the red, ochre paint used (by Vyse) to paint the inscriptions, interestingly enough, the same red, ochre paint the ancient Egyptians used was still in use in 1837.



Info on the Sphinx's underground tunnels
http://phoenix.akasha.de/~aton/HO-OSIRIS.html
Dr. Joseph Schor of The Schor Foundation. Schor had obtained an annually renewable five-year license to conduct acoustic and radar surveys on the Giza plateau under the direction of Florida State University. Said had entered into a joint-venture with Schor to film the work for a new documentary.

The sight he saw was very different to the one shown to the world on the FOX TV Special. A pile of muddy debris extended from the eastern side of the room and tapered off at the sides into the water. Towards the centre the partially buried enclosure also full of water broke through the debris. Said’s crew scraped away at the dirt on the chamber’s eastern side to clear a flat area for the camera tripod. It quickly became apparent that a smooth hard surface was becoming exposed. As more was revealed, a dark sarcophagus lid came into view.
vs.

I have found a shaft, going 29 meters [95 feet approximately] vertically down into the ground, exactly halfway between the Chefren Pyramid [the middle pyramid] and the Sphinx. At the bottom, which was filled with water, we have found a burial chamber with four pillars. In the middle is a large granite sarcophagus which I expect to be the grave of Osiris, the god... I have been digging in Egypt's sand for more than 30 years, and up to date this is the most exciting discovery I have made...



1997, in dirt
http://phoenix.akasha.de/~aton/borissaid4.jpg

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1999, submerged in a pool of water
http://phoenix.akasha.de/~aton/OSOut/Os ... /osa15.jpg
http://phoenix.akasha.de/~aton/osiris5xx.jpg
http://phoenix.akasha.de/~aton/osirus2zz.jpg


http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/2191/GreatPyramid.htm
all three Great Pyramids were constructed within a century. Assuming very low numbers, the pyramids consist of 2.5 million stone blocks for each of the large 2 pyramids, and 1.0 million stone blocks for the small one giving 6.0 million stones to be cut, hauled, shaped, lifted and postioned in 100 years.

6,000,000 blocks / 1200 months = 5000 blocks laid per month

5000 blocks / 30 days per month = 166.6 blocks laid per day

166.6 blocks / 24 hour working day = 6.9 blocks laid per hour

So given very generous figures, the Egyptologists want you to believe that the Egyptions were able to complete (at a bare minimum) 7 stone blocks weighing 2.0-2.5 Tons every hour of every day for 100 years without days off for accidents or bad weather etc, using only primitive stone and copper tools, plant-fiber ropes and wooden sledges.


lol http://www.redmoonrising.com/Giza/OsirisTomb1.htm

News about fraud and corruption in Egypt
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2005/764/eg4.htm

http://www.keysofenoch.org/html/giza_update.html
http://www.lyghtforce.com/Giza/


Unknown symbols in the Pyramid shaft "door"?
http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=000539
http://guardians.net/hawass/articles/im ... 006_sm.jpg
http://www.multimediastudio.fi/pictures ... andle1.jpg
http://www.multimediastudio.fi/pictures ... andle2.jpg
http://www.multimediastudio.fi/pictures ... andle3.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~tpburke/Google ... t1zoom.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~tpburke/Google ... omcut1.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~tpburke/Google ... drawn3.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~tpburke/Google ... plined.JPG

This could be interesting, Name of God on Pyramid?
http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=000542
http://www.mts.net/~perasa/Mysterean.htm
http://www.mts.net/~perasa/Great%20Pyra ... Riven4.jpg
http://www.mts.net/~perasa/Great%20Pyra ... Riven3.jpg

http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=14;t=000031
http://www.lhconklin.com/images/agate10_sm.jpg
http://www.clearapath.com/The_all-seein ... _-_200.jpg

http://www.gizapower.com/

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Post by DJ » Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:32 am

This is gonna suck...isn't it? :roll:

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Post by Don_Fernandez » Wed Mar 15, 2006 3:50 am

Indeed, something's not right:

That so many pages and pictures and unfounded speculation even exist....
That's just not right!
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Post by bigtim » Wed Mar 15, 2006 4:41 am

What point are you trying to make?
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Post by Zenskeptic » Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:58 am

Uh......Yeah...........They had primitive tools, but they also had a crapload of slaves. They could have carved and moved the stones. And they did. What was his point?

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Post by Kilik » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:08 am

That you can't believe what you hear from archaeologists and egyptologists cuz they're not reliable or truthful. Things like thinking slaves built the pyramids

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wtf?

Post by Articulett » Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:22 am

WTF?

Has someone gone off their meds?

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Post by Andy68 » Sun Mar 19, 2006 7:27 am

Kilik wrote:That you can't believe what you hear from archaeologists and egyptologists cuz they're not reliable or truthful. Things like thinking slaves built the pyramids

Okay, I'll bite. Why do you think archaeologists and Egyptologists (several generations of them spanning several continents) are not truthful? Why have they conspired (again, severall generations of them over several continents conspiring) to hide the truth?

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Post by Kilik » Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:11 am

well the usual..... selfishness, peer pressure, pride, money, just trying to conceive of something they can't know, status quo, promoting the government and those in power........

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Post by Articulett » Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:46 am

Kilik wrote:well the usual..... selfishness, peer pressure, pride, money, just trying to conceive of something they can't know, status quo, promoting the government and those in power........


The scientists I know are pretty intelligent and eager to answer questions. I do, however, know a lot of weirdos who try to get others to believe weird stuff because it makes them feel like they are "onto something"..."chosen to know special secrets through mysterious knowledge"....some people try to get other people to believe stuff so they won't feel foolish for buying into it--they don't want to feel deluded. Some make money and gain power from the "faithful". Some even get sexual favors via the power they gain from "true believers" eager to submit... Some believe because it explains something they can't seem to understand by other means...

The nice thing about science, is that it attracts a lot of intelligent, sincere, people eager for knowledge and truth (and also eager to disprove self-inflated claims of others) so it tends to weed out the crap pretty fast and focus in the right direction most of the time. It's the way we developed medicine (including brain scans), fertility treatments, technology, cars, airplanes, chemotherapy, gps devices, etc. It's pretty damn useful and right on the money most of the time. Assorted weird claims have always existed...they have a similar flavor and a similar sort of follower...but they just never go anywhere...because they seem to be more true (or useful) (or explanable) in someone's head then in reality.

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Post by Ron L » Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:00 pm

Kilik wrote:well the usual..... selfishness, peer pressure, pride, money, just trying to conceive of something they can't know, status quo, promoting the government and those in power........

As opposed to?
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Post by Zenskeptic » Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:28 pm

An Archeologist or Egyptologist would become extremely famous if they could prove everyone else was wrong. They have more to gain from change than from maintaining the Status Quo.

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Post by corymaylett » Sun Mar 19, 2006 7:14 pm

After scanning through Kilik's posts, he seems to believe that most everything in the world is disinformation attributable to massive conspiracies of one sort or another. I'm unsure how to counter beliefs of this sort since they're built upon illogical underpinnings. It's too bad that simple common sense seems to be so unequally distributed.

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Post by Kilik » Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:39 pm

perhaps if you were a new archaeologist you would want to expose and find more truth, however, if you have built 20 or 30 years on what is now outdated, you don't want new info coming out, or if you have power at stake, no, it will not be made public

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Post by Andy68 » Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:42 pm

Andy68 wrote:Okay, I'll bite. Why do you think archaeologists and Egyptologists (several generations of them spanning several continents) are not truthful? Why have they conspired (again, severall generations of them over several continents conspiring) to hide the truth?


Kilik wrote:well the usual..... selfishness, peer pressure, pride, money, just trying to conceive of something they can't know, status quo, promoting the government and those in power........

How does selfishness in any way respond to the question I asked? The same for money, promoting the government and those in power?
Can you be specific?
Why do you believe peer pressure prohibits generations of archaologists and Egyptologists from doing and publishing honest research?
Again, can you give a more specific argument?
Finally, who do you believe is behind this vast conspiracy, and what are their reasons?
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Post by Kilik » Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:32 am

Well............what is down there is so incredible and probably even useful, that those in power would never allow it to be public

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Post by bigtim » Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:35 am

Kilik wrote:perhaps if you were a new archaeologist you would want to expose and find more truth, however, if you have built 20 or 30 years on what is now outdated, you don't want new info coming out, or if you have power at stake, no, it will not be made public


That's the biggest bunch of hogwash I've ever heard. No, if your'e an Archeologist studying something for 20 to 30 years then a new discovery is generally welcome.

the problem is the stuff you're pushing out is just one guy with disinformation and that's being billed as the "real truth" and the "establisment" is the one lying.

Total BS.

What argument # is that?
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Post by bigtim » Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:43 am

Your links really don't mean anything. The data presides is pure fiction.

One of the obtuse logic statements that bug me are the "lost teachings of X" -- if they were lost no one would know about them would they? That's on par with the "and there were no survivors" stories...

Anything about Atlantis is pure fiction.
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Post by Kilik » Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:39 am

except there were survivors, not many left today...but, still a few.....

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Post by Xipe_Totec » Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:59 am

Such as?
The Government did it.

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Post by bigtim » Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:33 am

Doctor X wrote:
bigtim wrote:One of the obtuse logic statements that bug me are the "lost teachings of X" -- if they were lost no one would know about them would they? That's on par with the "and there were no survivors" stories...


Well, if you find them, let me know . . . I have been looking for them for some time. . . .

--J.D.


I found all these old porn magazines.... could they be yours? I know your fondness for temple prostitutes.....
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Post by Articulett » Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:24 am

Doctor X wrote:You found the Sacred Scriptures?!!!!

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Jugs and Barely Legal are sacred scriptures?...
(have you been nipping at the Jesus Juice again...)

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Post by CheckMite » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:39 pm

Folks, this has all been done before. Quit now, before Kilik starts talking about how Yoga positions and fake hieroglyphs prove that Thoth was an Atlantean. It has happened before. It will happen again.

And by the way, archaeologists and Egyptologists do not claim that slaves built any of the monuments in Egypt; only fundamentalist Judeo-Christian followers and movie fans claim such a thing.
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Post by Don_Fernandez » Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:55 pm

Kilik wrote:well the usual..... selfishness,
Scientists might be selfish as individuals but not when it comes to publishing. It's a publish or perish attitude forcing you to share your results.
Also, if you ever want to spend several hours listening to someone ask a scientist to explain their work, many will be hard to shut up once you get them started. If that is not a willingness to share then it might be a conspiracy to bore.

peer pressure,
The peer pressure on science is directed towards publishing. The more you publish the better regarded by your peers.

pride, money,
Money! money! MONEY! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Oh, thanks for making me laugh, if I wanted to be rich I wouldn't be a scientist, really, seriously, scientists salaries aren't so good unless you work for industry.

just trying to conceive of something they can't know,

This one cuts more effectively your way Kilik.
See, your sources are trying to conceive of things they don't know about.

status quo
Science is the most iconoclastic profession. Galileo dethroned Aristothelic ideas, Newton built upon it, Einstein rewrote the book.
Quantum Mechanics upset long cherished notions yet we scientists embrace QM for it works better than the classical "status quo" at explaining the universe.
A central tenet of molecular biology was that you go always DNA to RNA to Proteins, that was the status quo until retroviruses were found.
, promoting the government and those in power........
You have been quite oblivious to all the scientific criticisms of the Bush administration I see.
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