After 1552 years ?

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After 1552 years ?

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Re: After 1552 years ?

Post by Don_Fernandez » Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:20 pm

epistle wrote:Attilas capital ... ?

http://www.online-archaeology.co.uk/for ... PIC_ID=830

(URL corrected).
That is a discussion of a link elsewhere that has Google Maps photo with a comment that indicates that the poster tought there might be a link to Attila's capital.
If that is all you can provide I'll say that the answer is likely to be no. There is very little but speculation to suggest that this has anything to do with Attila's capital. The very claim that the photo is of a buried city seems doubtable to me.
Also, it's likely that archaeologists/historians familiar with the area already have an idea of what it is that that photo shows.

But seems like a trailblazer... I wonder how many similar claims of ancient cities based on speculation about a Google Maps image, without recurring to further research, we'll see in the future.
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I too am skeptical

Post by epistle » Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:26 am

it has sparked my interest.

i have a hard time saying capital yet it would have been the place Attila brought the western and eastern roman envoys to put on a show, it could be argued he thought of it as his capital or at least his grandest city. but the ancient sources admit it seemed like Attila was having them on as i would under the circumstances

[At length, by the intercession of Scotta, the brother of Onegesius, whose friendship had been purchased by a liberal gift, he was admitted to the royal presence; but, instead of obtaining a decisive answer, he was compelled to undertake a remote journey towards the North, that Attila might enjoy the proud satisfaction of receiving in the same camp the ambassadors of the Eastern and Western empires. His journey was regulated by the guides, who obliged him to halt, to hasten his march, or to deviate from the common road, as it best suited the convenience of the king. The Romans who traversed the plains of Hungary suppose that they passed several navigable rivers, either in canoes or portable boats; but there is reason to suspect that the winding stream of the Theiss[Tisza], or Tibiscus[Timis], might present itself in different places under different names. ] http://www.ccel.org/g/gibbon/decline/volume1/chap34.htm

and

[The residence of the ruler of the Huns was then in Pannonia (modern Hungary), where they moved in 405 - 406 AD. The capital was between rivers Tissa and Temesh. Both rivers are left influents of Danube. The capital was a rather large settlement, which could be compared to a “most expansive city‿. It was surrounded by wooden walls made “of shiny boards, whose joints so counterfeited solidity that the union of the boards could scarcely be distinguished by close scrutiny‿ (2; 101). Inside the territory of the settlement was a courtyard surrounded with a huge fence. Here were Attila’s tent and palace. The palace, constructed on a hill and topped by towers, was decorated with carvings.
]

i'd have to say thats it pretty clear there are remains of 4 full circuit earthberms and that the inner circuit walls appear to be 100 feet in cross section. this is massive, so massive in fact that on the ground you would not necessarily be able to recognize it as anything but normal topography. after having spoken to a local 89defector from mosnita[timisoara] this might be the case

it is 2.5miles by 3.5miles which is bigger than Constantinople & Rome at their peek.
{ttp://www.tigtail.org/TIG/S_View/TVM/E/Ancient/Roman/architecture/rome_imperial_rome_map-1k.PNG}{http://depts.washington.edu/uwch/silkroad/cities/turkey/istanbul/istmap1.jpg}

it was extant at this period{http://www.dvhh.org/mercydorf/info/images/Ueberland_Mercydorf_Zsadany.jpg}. the text at this site says that the area was off limits, people even at that time were not permitted to settle there.

and was named Atle [thats Attila] of 1 later map
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/200e/39-46.jpg [look for "Temesvar" and scroll up]

It is not here {http://stirbu72.tripod.com/}
It is not in their database of cultural memory which has 75,000 digs/sites listed nor is it listed on any number of ethnology maps i've poured over.
there is great confusion here over cornesti as there are 2, one well excavated but in another county the other with no record. similar confusion exists over the 2 Zsadanys. its almost like a purposefully constructed enigma

because i was sortof dumbfounded, i have now emailed 40 Romanian archeologists asking them to settle an argument but with no response and i know a few can speak english. its either cluster embarassment or its so obviously silly i don't warrant a response. you'd think someone would take the opportunity to call me crazy, Romanians take care of business. [ but maybe thats what this is... there'd be lots of money involved in the exploitation of such a find... think how many excavations could occur, tourists, filmography, {!#%@} dogs its in perfect condition]

i have further found another city of equal size and exact layout where it should be [west of Sag, but you have to look closely, it has been settled and only a few key features remain]
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=46.04145 ... &t=k&hl=en

[Farang and Rum defeated by Atille
Paid to him huge tributes, it was told.
They built for him [cities] Bilsaga and Madja, it was told.
He lived [in them] carefree and was hunting quite often.
]
[And they decided not to lay him to rest in Bashtu [there are some
Drove him to the city Madja, it was told.
Carried him through center of Bilsaga, it was told.
And on the way laid him at the bottom of the Dize river]
THE ANNALS OF DJAGFAR

["dize" meant "royal quarters, camp", and as an extension of that semantics, also "citadel". The name Dize river implies a location of the royal camp other than Kuyan Tau on the Dniepr in future Kyiv, maybe the stan visited by Priscus in Pannonia. ]

here's another example of a google find
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=43.30575 ... &t=k&hl=en

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oh and by the way

Post by epistle » Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:49 am

the property seems to have stayed in the same family until it was taken by the communists