Was there really slavery in the US?

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Was there really slavery in the US?

Post by Beleth » Fri Nov 11, 2005 7:29 pm

The evidence that slavery actually existed in the United States is anecdotal and must therefore be discarded in favor of the actual, physical evidence.

I have visited museums in the Southern US and have seen canoes carved out of one solid tree trunk. Such boats could not possibly have been used to transport the hundreds of thousands of reported slaves from Africa. At most they could have held three people, and only if they brought no provisions along with them. Therefore it is impossible, based on the physical evidence, that there was anything resembling the rumored "triangle trade" of slaves, rum, and textiles.

I have been to (pre-Katrina) New Orleans, and have seen houses people lived in at the time slavery was supposed to have happened. They are modest, single-family houses, with no place at all for slaves to live. Furthermore, they are not anywhere near open tracts of land, which is where slaves were rumored to have worked. If the slaves had no place to live and nowhere to work, then why would anyone go through the trouble of bringing them over? It's simply an absurd notion.

It is sad that the US Civil War was fought over a lie.


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Post by SkepticReport » Fri Nov 11, 2005 7:46 pm

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Re: Was there really slavery in the US?

Post by izittrue » Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:08 pm

Beleth wrote:

Next time:
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All right, calm down and step away from the keyboard, yes of course I'm being satirical.



some of my best friends are slaves... :roll:
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Post by Pyrrho » Sat Nov 12, 2005 2:33 am

According to a friend of mine, who is a Civil War Reenactor, there are people who believe that many Civil War battles really did not take place. No joke.
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Post by Chaos » Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:44 am

Pyrrho wrote:According to a friend of mine, who is a Civil War Reenactor, there are people who believe that many Civil War battles really did not take place. No joke.


And then, there are the people who think the Battle of Helm´s Deep really took place. No joke, either.

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Post by SkepticReport » Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:05 pm

Chaos wrote:
Pyrrho wrote:According to a friend of mine, who is a Civil War Reenactor, there are people who believe that many Civil War battles really did not take place. No joke.


And then, there are the people who think the Battle of Helm´s Deep really took place. No joke, either.


What do you mean? It's a joke??? :shock:

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Post by Chaos » Sat Nov 12, 2005 2:25 pm

SkepticReport wrote:
Chaos wrote:
Pyrrho wrote:According to a friend of mine, who is a Civil War Reenactor, there are people who believe that many Civil War battles really did not take place. No joke.


And then, there are the people who think the Battle of Helm´s Deep really took place. No joke, either.


What do you mean? It's a joke??? :shock:


Yeah. Sorry to be the one to tell you. The Battle of Helm´s Deep is fiction.

So is "Alice in Wonderland", by the way.

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Post by SkepticReport » Sat Nov 12, 2005 2:59 pm

Dang! There goes my world view....

Next, you'll be telling me that Dubya is a work of fiction, too...

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Post by Chaos » Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:53 pm

SkepticReport wrote:Dang! There goes my world view....

Next, you'll be telling me that Dubya is a work of fiction, too...


No, unfortunately, he is real.

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Post by hammegk » Sat Nov 12, 2005 7:55 pm

SkepticReport wrote:Dang! There goes my world view....

Next, you'll be telling me that Dubya is a work of fiction, too...

You could send him a threatening message -- media of your choice -- to see if you get a response.
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Post by Pedantica » Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:11 pm

hammegk wrote:You could send him a threatening message -- media of your choice -- to see if you get a response.


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Post by Beleth » Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:41 pm

Pyrrho wrote:According to a friend of mine, who is a Civil War Reenactor, there are people who believe that many Civil War battles really did not take place. No joke.

Well, it would make me feel a whole lot better, to know that the Civil War never really happened since slavery never happened either.

Maybe nothing in history ever really happened!
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Post by SkepticReport » Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:58 pm

hammegk wrote:
SkepticReport wrote:Dang! There goes my world view....

Next, you'll be telling me that Dubya is a work of fiction, too...

You could send him a threatening message -- media of your choice -- to see if you get a response.


He doesn't read. You know that.

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Post by rjh01 » Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:47 pm

The world was created one minute ago. Therefor nothing happened before that.

Source: Twilight zone.

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Post by jj » Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:44 am

Beleth wrote:
Pyrrho wrote:According to a friend of mine, who is a Civil War Reenactor, there are people who believe that many Civil War battles really did not take place. No joke.

Well, it would make me feel a whole lot better, to know that the Civil War never really happened since slavery never happened either.

Maybe nothing in history ever really happened!


What's that cap and musket ball I have, then?

And, I wonder, what are those blue tatoos on old people's arms?
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Post by Beleth » Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:58 am

jj wrote:
Beleth wrote:Maybe nothing in history ever really happened!

What's that cap and musket ball I have, then?

Probably some stuff that Pyrrho's friend made to bilk some Believers out of a few bucks.

And, I wonder, what are those blue tatoos on old people's arms?

Those aren't tattoos, those are birthmarks. Or varicose veins that just happen to spell out "Da Nang". Happens all the time.
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Re: Was there really slavery in the US?

Post by NoZed Avenger » Tue Nov 15, 2005 2:04 am

Beleth wrote:It is sad that the US Civil War was fought over a lie.




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Post by Tito » Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:54 am

Gosh, when I think of all those hours Ken Burns spent photographing old photos...... !!! And Shelby Foote, writing that huge bunch of books....... Poor deluded guys....... :lol:
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Post by flyer1 » Sat Nov 19, 2005 5:32 am

Actually, nothing ever really happened. Since you can't go anywhere and prove anything ever really occurred there, obviously, there is no history, and all that time we spent in Civics was a big waste of effort.

What did you do yesterday? And if so, can you prove it?
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Post by Zenskeptic » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:29 am

Just playing devil's advocate here. There is physical evidence of slavery in America. The Smithsonian Museum in Washington has it. There is a paper trail of ship embargos, sales records, etc.

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Post by Zenskeptic » Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:03 am

The Government said it's true. The Government is your inerrant friend that loves you. Trust the Government. Believe..............Believe............................Believe! :heyup:

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Post by Zenskeptic » Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:14 am

Tinfoil underwear won't stop our mind-bender machines forever..........................Believe!

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Post by Zenskeptic » Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:57 pm

wait a minute........summoning snappy retort.....................Ah hell, I got nothing. :donkey:

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Post by Zenskeptic » Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:15 pm

No................................I got nothing................................................Believe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by rjh01 » Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:46 pm

Now Doctor X, behave yourself. Or you will have Zenskeptic put her head in, you know where, so deep it comes out her mouth.

Now that is something I would like [not] to see!

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Post by Zenskeptic » Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:57 pm

The fourteenth ammendment of the constitution makes reference to slavey.
Amendment XIV

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.


Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.


Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.


Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.


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Post by Zenskeptic » Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:22 pm

The 14th ammendment was ratified in 1791. Nobody knew there was going to be a civil war in 1791.

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Post by pannarrans » Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:44 am

If the existance of slavery in the U.S.A. is a myth how do you explain why the Dutch were able to RULE THE WORLD in the 18th century, tulips?

Then again, I think you are right. This whole slavery thing is a hoax perpetrated by those that couldn't fanthom the idea that the then ruling nation of the world was holding their balls because of tulips. All people of African descent in Suriname and the Dutch Antilies are descendants of African botanists, specialised in tulip farming, really. Oh and the Yews were in it too and the Free Masons, as were the Rosicrucians.

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Post by Zenskeptic » Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:08 am

I figured it out. All the northern people in congress planned on their grandchildren gaining political power and eventually provoking the southern states to secede from the union. After this, their grandchildren would launch an unprovoked attack against the south in order to steal their stuff. So the northern politicians convinced the southern politicians to ratify a constitutional ammendment that included language about slaves, so that they could say years after the war that slavery was the cause of the war, so they would look better after their deaths. The southern politicians and states then went on to ratify this ammendment, even though it had false language in it, falling for the north's evil plan. To make slavery look real, the north then forged hundreds of documents over the next 70 years. After this, they convinced all the blacks to go along with their story and even enlisted the aid of the Dutch (They had to falsify documents on their end too.) Fortunately they left a detailed diagram of action for their grandchildren to follow and managed to pull off their false war.
PS-Slavery would have been abolished one way or the other eventually. The cotton gin made it unprofitable. The war was about a bunch of economic bickering.

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Post by pannarrans » Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:49 am

The plan really backfired eventually of course because most of the presidents lately have been coming from the south. Congratiolations America, by voting for the Bushes and Clinton you have thwarted the great northern conspiracy.
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Post by mufasa1023 » Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:59 pm

The 14th ammendment was ratified in 1791. Nobody knew there was going to be a civil war in 1791.


ummm the 14th was ratified July 9th, 1868. about ummmm three years three monthes after the civil war

hopefully that was a joke
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Post by Zenskeptic » Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:41 pm

I was doing something about the 9th at the same time. got my amendments mixed up. :shock:

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Post by Zenskeptic » Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:57 pm

But, that doesn't detract from the fact that the amendment was still ratified with the slavery language in it.

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Post by Dave? » Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:57 am

The fourth sentence of the Constitution (excluding the preamble) implicitly mentions slavery.
Article 1, Section 2 - The House
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Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.

and it was ratified in 1787. So the Northern-congressmen-plant-an-excuse "theory" still almost kinda stands. :)
Of course there's the mountain of paperwork, hundreds of slave owners saying they own slaves, and other evidence, ad nauseum.

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Post by Major Malfunction » Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:55 am

Chaos wrote:
SkepticReport wrote:Dang! There goes my world view....

Next, you'll be telling me that Dubya is a work of fiction, too...


No, unfortunately, he is real.


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Post by nickterry » Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:51 pm

Dunno about slavery, but the Civil War never happened. :lol:

The lack of gas chambers at Andersonville is of course conclusive proof that no one died there.

Indeed the camp never existed. All photos of it are fakes.

Conclusive proof of the Civil War Hoax can of course be found in the extensive network of Civil War Re-Enactment Societies. These sprang up some time in the late 19th Century and it is from these that all the photos of dead bodies at Gettysburg can be found. They are just hired vaudeville actors.

The true story behind the cover-up can be found in the failed attempt to invade Mexico which began in 1861. There are hundreds of battlefields along the border which have all been covered up (one at Roswell, ironically enough), the later myth that there were two sides in a 'Civil War' stems from the falling out between Lee and Grant, the two leading American commanders. The fact that the Lee-Grant tank in the 1940s was given two names by the US and British Armies is a veiled hint that in actual fact they were commanders of the two separate columns of the failed invasion force.