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Are the Austrians German? German Austria in 1918 and the Anschluss in 1938

Post by Goody67 » Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:24 am

Imagine if Austria had unified Germany in 1871, can you imagine the victors trying to forbid Prussia from joining Germany in 1918?

Nevertheless, is there any evidence that the majority of Austrians in 1918 when Austria was known as 'German-Austria' wanted to join Germany? There were only two plebiscites that showed strong support for union with Germany. Another plebiscite showed strong support for union with Switzerland. The latter plebiscite may point to the lack of an actual pan-German identity throughout the whole of Austria.

One thing for certain is that the prohibition of union between Austria and Germany contradicted the Wilsonianism principle of self-determination which was actually aimed at bringing peace in Europe after WW1. Would Austria being part of Germany have made that much difference?

Was the 1938 Anschluss inevitable? Should the Allies have intervened in 1938 when the Nazis annexed Austria? Is there any actual evidence that the vast majority of Austrians supported the Anschluss in 1938? A Gestapo report indicated that strong support was lacking in Vienna.

I think the best book about the Anschluss is Evan Burr Bukey's book Hitler's Austria: Popular Sentiment in the Nazi Era, 1938-1945 , here are some quotes:
While a majority of Austrians openly yearned for Anschluss with the Weimar Republic, few of them thought of themselves as Germans in the radical sense propounded by Schönerer and his followers.
Although an overwhelming majority of the Austrian people endorsed the triumph of German arms, particularist feeling, class division, and diversity of opinions persisted in Vienna.
Conversely, when the plebiscite was canceled and the Anschluss actually took place, the issue of Austrian identity seemed settled forever. This helps to explain why there occurred such an astonishing outpouring of euphoria and support for the new Greater Germany, meaning a mighty union of Germanic peoples under the leadership of Adolf Hitler, himself an Austrian.
As for the Austrian people, the April plebiscite both shaped and reflected popular attitudes. The available evidence suggests that a substantial majority of the populace welcomed the opportunity to participate in the electoral process to resolve the question of national identity and to exercise the right to vote denied for over half a decade. The Nazis were well aware that the Anschluss euphoria rested on an ephemeral emotional base and sought to maintain the popular enthusiasm through massive, ongoing mobilization.
Analysis of the results of the April plebiscite requires great caution. Some 360,000 or 8 percent of the electoral had been excluded from the ballot box; many others bent with the wind. While the elections were technically "free and secret", their setting made it risky to vote against the Anschluss. That said, the returns provide some indication of prevailing attitudes, a point Gerhard Botz has argued for two decades. First, since Cardinal Innitzer and Karl Renner had endorsed the Anschluss, at least two-thirds of the electorate could be counted on to approve it. Second, Nazi propaganda had obviously made an impact on voters, especially those who beheld Hitler or experienced the captivating stare of his porcelain-blue eyes. Third, affirmative vote was greatest in provinces with the highest Nazi membership: Burgenland (99.93 percent), Styria (99.81 percent), and Lower Austria (99.74 percent). Conversely, negative ballots were most numerous in provinces with the strongest sense of Austrian identity: at one extreme rural Roman Catholic Tyrol (.70 percent); at the other, working-class Red Vienna (.59 percent).
In the meaning, the soldiers of the Eighth Army moved forward to complete the occupation of "the youngest bulwark of the German nation." During the first days of the invasion there had been massive traffic jams, twenty-five fatal accidents, and the breakdown of hundreds of tanks and vehicles. On Wednesday, 16 March, divisional commanders ordered all but a handful of units to return their stocks of live ammunition and to slow to twenty-five kilometers per day. With the Austrian people welcoming their conquering cousins as liberators, the invaders decided that spit and polish should replace muscle.
What accounts for the euphoria with which most Austrians greeted the loss of their country's independence, a rapture remarkably similar to that which most East Germans hailed the collapse of the German Democratic Republic a half century later? First, there can be no doubt that the initial enthusiasm was both genuine and spontaneous; Reich German cameramen and broadcasters certainly provided extensive coverage of the Anschluss, but neither they nor Propaganda Minister Goebbels had sufficient time to stage-manage events. Second, it is clear that the populace was profoundly relieved that bloodshed had been avoided. For most people the intervention of German troops thwarted the outbreak of civil war and provided a security shield against foreign aggression. Third, nearly all hoped for a dramatic improvement in the material conditions of everyday life; most Austrians were aware of Hitler's economic achievements and had good reason to believe that their expectations would soon be fulfilled. Fourth, there can be little doubt that millions of people welcomed the Anschluss as a chance to put an end to the so-called Jewish Question. The anti-Semitic violence that followed Schuschnigg's valedictory was perpetrated by the Austrian Nazis and their accomplices, not by the German invaders. That the new regime openly sanctioned persecution and Aryanization, in other words, could only enhance its popularity.

This does not mean that the masses had suddenly embraced all the doctrines of National Socialism, As already mentioned, no more than a third of the populace could be considered dyed-in-the-wool believers. Most Austrians were therefore hailing the collapse of the Old Regime; they viewed the Anschluss as both a powerful "agent of change" and thee fulfillment of an ancient dream.
Do you think the Nazis had a case to annex Austria in 1938?

Does anyone have any information about the subject?
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:06 pm

Nice question! Of course, the Austrians have historically been about as "bad" as the Prussians. They continued to elect Waldheim, even after his Nazi past had been revealed. (Joke from the 1990s: "Have you heard about Waldheimer's disease? That's the one that makes you forget you were a Nazi.") Of course, Hitler was himself Austrian, and had to get naturalized on the fly so he could even run for office in Germany.

As for the Anschluß, at least the well-known film shows it as being overwhelmingly popular at the time. Bismarck had decided there should be TWO German-speaking nations. Hitler reduced that to one, and people went along with him.
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Re: Are the Austrians German? German Austria in 1918 and the Anschluss in 1938

Post by Goody67 » Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:25 am

Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:06 pm
Nice question! Of course, the Austrians have historically been about as "bad" as the Prussians. They continued to elect Waldheim, even after his Nazi past had been revealed. (Joke from the 1990s: "Have you heard about Waldheimer's disease? That's the one that makes you forget you were a Nazi.") Of course, Hitler was himself Austrian, and had to get naturalized on the fly so he could even run for office in Germany.
Was Austria a German state prior to the Unification of Germany? If one regards Bavaria as a German state then logically Austria should also be regarded as a German state.

Even the fascists in Austria during 1930s regarded Austria as a German state and that the Austrians were Germans, but they favoured an independent Austria.

I wonder how much of an influence the fact that Hitler was Austrian made during the 1938 plebiscites.

Hitler should have actually been deported back to Austria in 1925. However:
The court explained why it rejected the deportation of Hitler under the terms of the Protection of the Republic Act: "Hitler is a German-Austrian. He considered himself to be a German. In the opinion of the court, the meaning and the terms of section 9, para II of the Law for the Protection of the Republic cannot apply to a man who thinks and feels as German as Hitler, who voluntarily served for four and a half years in the German army at war, who attained high military honours through outstanding bravery in the face of the enemy, was wounded, suffered other damage to his health, and was released from the military into the control of the district Command Munich I.
Hitler did not care about losing his Austrian citizenship, he publicly declared:
The loss of my Austrian citizenship is not painful to me, as I never felt as an Austrian citizen but always as a German only . . . . It was this mentality that made me draw the ultimate conclusion and do military service in the German Army.
For seven years Hitler was actually stateless and only became a German citizen because of a somewhat loophole in the German law at that time. With the help of a fellow Nazi, Dietrich Klagges, he became a citizen of Brunswick and thus of Germany.
As for the Anschluß, at least the well-known film shows it as being overwhelmingly popular at the time. Bismarck had decided there should be TWO German-speaking nations. Hitler reduced that to one, and people went along with him.
Bismarck did not like the idea of the German Empire including non-Germans and the Habsburg Empire certainly included many non-Germans.

Paradoxically, Bismarck's unification allowed thousands of ethnic Poles to become German citizens, the ethnic group that he legally discriminated against and stated privately should have been exterminated in order to solve the so-called Polish Question.
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:03 pm

True that is. In "Mein Kampf" Hitler told how he rejoiced at the beginning of WWI, and even though he was a subject of the Hapsburg Empire, he declared that he had no love for the Hapsburgs and was fighting for "das deutsche Volk und das dieses verkörpende Reich" (for the German nation and the Reich that embodies it).

As for Bavaria, it had been forcibly annexed by Bismarck. That was as far as he wanted to expand the German nation. But he did snatch Alsace-Lorraine from France in 1870. It made Germany somewhat difficult to govern, with a Prussian/Lutheran base now having to co-exist with a very Catholic Bavaria.

Still, after the annexation, Hitler expressed pride and satisfaction that his homeland was now fully a part of Germany. But then, he rejected the Nazi substitute for Christianity, known as "Gottgläubigkeit" (essentially deism, but with a lot of racism woven into it to fit), saying he remained a Catholic. He was surely a non-observing one, violating and ignoring all the standards of Catholic piety.
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Re: Are the Austrians German? German Austria in 1918 and the Anschluss in 1938

Post by Goody67 » Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:10 pm

Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:03 pm
True that is. In "Mein Kampf" Hitler told how he rejoiced at the beginning of WWI, and even though he was a subject of the Hapsburg Empire, he declared that he had no love for the Hapsburgs and was fighting for "das deutsche Volk und das dieses verkörpende Reich" (for the German nation and the Reich that embodies it).
Hitler also stated in Mein Kampf that his birthplace was Bavarian by blood but under Austrian rule. He was right - if he had been born around a century earlier he would have been a Bavarian by birth. Quite a few places in Austria and Bavaria have changed rule over the years.

I don't know how anyone can deny that the Austrians are a type of Germans like Bavarians, Prussians, etc.

Could one not argue that the Austrians are more German than the Prussians? The Old Prussians were originally Baltic.
As for Bavaria, it had been forcibly annexed by Bismarck. That was as far as he wanted to expand the German nation. But he did snatch Alsace-Lorraine from France in 1870. It made Germany somewhat difficult to govern, with a Prussian/Lutheran base now having to co-exist with a very Catholic Bavaria.
Hitler was also applauded by several people when someone said that Bavaria should break away from Germany and join Austria. Of course this annoyed the Austrian Hitler who was a passionate pan-German and believed in the Greater Germany concept.
Still, after the annexation, Hitler expressed pride and satisfaction that his homeland was now fully a part of Germany. But then, he rejected the Nazi substitute for Christianity, known as "Gottgläubigkeit" (essentially deism, but with a lot of racism woven into it to fit), saying he remained a Catholic. He was surely a non-observing one, violating and ignoring all the standards of Catholic piety.
Austria was also renamed "Ostmark" after the annexation in 1938.
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:28 pm

Well, it's a bit murky, but I don't dispute anything you have said.

However, my life is simpler if I count as Germans just the people whose speech I can understand from that region. :mrgreen:

There are already more different accents in Germany proper than I can get used to, and I find the Austrians harder to understand than even the Bavarians, though not as difficult as the Swiss. Even reading the Bavarian version of German in Thomas Mann's "Buddenbrooks" when Toni's second husband speaks takes me forever. And that's just reading. When it comes to listening to them, I feel the way they probably feel listening to Jesse Jackson, wondering why the English they learned in school is suddenly failing them. When it's a two-way conversation, however, they at least can understand me.

But, as I said, I concede your point, just as I admit that natives of Yorkshire are English, even though I understand only about one-third of what they say.
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Re: Are the Austrians German? German Austria in 1918 and the Anschluss in 1938

Post by Goody67 » Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:24 pm

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Well, it's a bit murky, but I don't dispute anything you have said.

However, my life is simpler if I count as Germans just the people whose speech I can understand from that region. :mrgreen:

There are already more different accents in Germany proper than I can get used to, and I find the Austrians harder to understand than even the Bavarians, though not as difficult as the Swiss. Even reading the Bavarian version of German in Thomas Mann's "Buddenbrooks" when Toni's second husband speaks takes me forever. And that's just reading. When it comes to listening to them, I feel the way they probably feel listening to Jesse Jackson, wondering why the English they learned in school is suddenly failing them. When it's a two-way conversation, however, they at least can understand me.

But, as I said, I concede your point, just as I admit that natives of Yorkshire are English, even though I understand only about one-third of what they say.
Well you actually raise a very important question. What is a German? Historically it was used to simply refer to the German-speaking peoples of the Holy Roman Empire.

Even the Nazis with their bizarre racial theories could not actually racially define a German. Was a "German" with distant Polish ancestry considered to be German enough? Was an "Austrian" with distant Czech ancestry considered to be German enough?

Austrians with Czech ancestry after the Anschluss in 1938 were granted Reich citizenship, why was this allowed if Hitler and his cronies hoped to create a state which citizens were only those of the German Volk?

Christopher Hutton wrote in his book Race and the Third Reich: Linguistics, Racial Anthropology and Genetics in the Dialectic of Volk:
If the German state was the political realization or manifestation of the German people, why did not include all Germans? Why did it include many Danes, Poles and French? Even the 'proper' Germans themselves could be presented as a colourful mix of diverse racial and national origins ('ein Sammelgemisch aller möglichen Rassen- und Volksbestandteile', Wachler 1916/17: 48). Wirth presented the German Volk as made up originally of Celtic, Lithuanian, Germanic and Slavic blood, then Romans, Jews, Huguenots and Italians, with a smattering of Swedes, Scots, Croats, Irish, Hungarians, Spaniards and Turks (1914: 72). 'What a complicated people!' concluded Willy Hellpach (1877-1955) (1926: 138).
What about the Dutch? The Netherlands was part of the Holy Roman Empire until 1648 and the Dutch national anthem contains the lyrics Ben ick van Duytschen bloet / ben ik, van Duitsen bloed.

The "Duytschen" (in English generally translated as "Dutch", "native" or Germanic) in the first stanza is a reference to William's roots; its modern Dutch equivalent, "Duits", exclusively means "German", and it may refer to William's ancestral house (Nassau, Germany) or to the lands of the Holy Roman Empire, including the Netherlands.

Goebbels was actually half Dutch.
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Post by psychiatry is a scam » Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:40 pm

first word - IMAGINE - had to google - imagine beatles - turns out it was lennon .

anywho - I'm a dreamer about the past to . (wonder what the shrink label for this is ?)

really intelligent and long responses to the question here.

dreaming about what might have been - if only :tomato:

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Post by Goody67 » Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:44 pm

psychiatry is a scam wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:40 pm
first word - IMAGINE - had to google - imagine beatles - turns out it was lennon .

anywho - I'm a dreamer about the past to . (wonder what the shrink label for this is ?)

really intelligent and long responses to the question here.

dreaming about what might have been - if only :tomato:
Are you on drugs?
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Post by VFX » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:01 am

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Well you actually raise a very important question. What is a German? Historically it was used to simply refer to the German-speaking peoples of the Holy Roman Empire.
As English, Norwegian, Danish and Swedish are all Germanic languages your definition is not as simple as you may wish for.
All languages change, just as US english is morphing into another language which may be totally different to the english we know today in a few hundred years, namely due to the rap culture and spelling variations along with dialect changes.
Even the Nazis with their bizarre racial theories could not actually racially define a German. Was a "German" with distant Polish ancestry considered to be German enough? Was an "Austrian" with distant Czech ancestry considered to be German enough?
They considered the English peoples to be equivalent.
Austrians with Czech ancestry after the Anschluss in 1938 were granted Reich citizenship, why was this allowed if Hitler and his cronies hoped to create a state which citizens were only those of the German Volk?
You may need to study the individual German speaking states in more detail but interesting topic which can in a sense be applied to many different nations, especially how the Latin morphed into modern Italian and Spanish.
Christopher Hutton wrote in his book Race and the Third Reich: Linguistics, Racial Anthropology and Genetics in the Dialectic of Volk:
If the German state was the political realization or manifestation of the German people, why did not include all Germans? Why did it include many Danes, Poles and French? Even the 'proper' Germans themselves could be presented as a colourful mix of diverse racial and national origins ('ein Sammelgemisch aller möglichen Rassen- und Volksbestandteile', Wachler 1916/17: 48). Wirth presented the German Volk as made up originally of Celtic, Lithuanian, Germanic and Slavic blood, then Romans, Jews, Huguenots and Italians, with a smattering of Swedes, Scots, Croats, Irish, Hungarians, Spaniards and Turks (1914: 72). 'What a complicated people!' concluded Willy Hellpach (1877-1955) (1926: 138).

What about the Dutch? The Netherlands was part of the Holy Roman Empire until 1648 and the Dutch national anthem contains the lyrics Ben ick van Duytschen bloet / ben ik, van Duitsen bloed.

The "Duytschen" (in English generally translated as "Dutch", "native" or Germanic) in the first stanza is a reference to William's roots; its modern Dutch equivalent, "Duits", exclusively means "German", and it may refer to William's ancestral house (Nassau, Germany) or to the lands of the Holy Roman Empire, including the Netherlands.

Goebbels was actually half Dutch.
I suggest you look at the origins of the words Deutsch and Dutch, which may help your quest.

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Post by Goody67 » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:30 am

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As English, Norwegian, Danish and Swedish are all Germanic languages your definition is not as simple as you may wish for.
All languages change, just as US english is morphing into another language which may be totally different to the english we know today in a few hundred years, namely due to the rap culture and spelling variations along with dialect changes.
Pay attention. It is not my definition, that is how the word 'Germans' was defined years ago.
The English term Germans has historically referred to the German-speaking population of the Holy Roman Empire since the Late Middle Ages.
"alongside the slightly earlier term Almayns; John of Trevisa's 1387 translation of Ranulf Higdon's Polychronicon has: Þe empere passede from þe Grees to þe Frenschemen and to þe Germans, þat beeþ Almayns. During the 15th and 16th centuries, Dutch was the adjective used in the sense "pertaining to Germans". Use of German as an adjective dates to ca. 1550. The adjective Dutch narrowed its sense to "of the Netherlands" during the 17th century."
They considered the English peoples to be equivalent.
Firstly, I never mentioned the English people. Secondly, the English people are Germanic so it defeats the purpose of what I was referring to - Germans with distant Slavic ancestry.

By the way, Hitler considered the English lower classes to be racially inferior.
You may need to study the individual German speaking states in more detail but interesting topic which can in a sense be applied to many different nations, especially how the Latin morphed into modern Italian and Spanish.
You may need to study how the Nazis defined 'German'.
I suggest you look at the origins of the words Deutsch and Dutch, which may help your quest.
I'm already aware of the origins of both words.
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Tell your loyal fans the difference, it is for their benefit not mine.

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Post by Goody67 » Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:13 pm

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Tell your loyal fans the difference, it is for their benefit not mine.
Are you lacking the ability to actually explain the alleged difference?

Wannabe Nazis know that almost universally the Nazis are condemned (and rightly so) and thus think that if they describe themselves as National Socialists then people will either not know the meaning or not think of them as bad people - nothing could be further from the truth. Adolf Hitler, the Third Reich, Nazism and the Holocaust are studied in great detail by a lot of people and many people know that Nazi is just the shortened way to say National Socialism.

Go ahead, explain the difference.
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Goody67 wrote:
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VFX wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:44 am
Tell your loyal fans the difference, it is for their benefit not mine.
Are you lacking the ability to actually explain the alleged difference?

Wannabe Nazis know that almost universally the Nazis are condemned (and rightly so) and thus think that if they describe themselves as National Socialists then people will either not know the meaning or not think of them as bad people - nothing could be further from the truth. Adolf Hitler, the Third Reich, Nazism and the Holocaust are studied in great detail by a lot of people and many people know that Nazi is just the shortened way to say National Socialism.

Go ahead, explain the difference.
Please keep on topic which is about Austrians and Germans not the real differences between Nazis and National Socialists.
People may have tried to study this particular political system but have not understood due to their ingrained prejudices and in the end know no more than when they started. Your tactics lack finesse as with your understanding so you are somewhat like a bull in a china shop. Your ingrained prejudices show through in all of your posts which is why you are banned in the interim at RODOH. You seem to think you can somehow win arguments or differences due to low life insults: this shows much about your character and lack of knowledge.

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Post by Goody67 » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:21 pm

VFX wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:33 pm
Please keep on topic which is about Austrians and Germans not the real differences between Nazis and National Socialists.
People may have tried to study this particular political system but have not understood due to their ingrained prejudices and in the end know no more than when they started. Your tactics lack finesse as with your understanding so you are somewhat like a bull in a china shop. Your ingrained prejudices show through in all of your posts which is why you are banned in the interim at RODOH. You seem to think you can somehow win arguments or differences due to low life insults: this shows much about your character and lack of knowledge.
NSDAP, you failed on RODOH and you have failed on here. Why do you even bother to post?

You don't even know your own so-called belief.

Are you stupid? I was called a "moron" by Jew Berg after his second post, Werd the Weirdo always personally insults people and people like you and Huntinger are wannabe Nazis that like to claim people know very little when challenging your delusional beliefs - you never ever explain anything and resort to personal insults.
You seem to think you can somehow win arguments or differences due to low life insults: this shows much about your character and lack of knowledge.
You posted:
I suggest you read it on RODOH, though the intellectualism will be a little above you. As usual you have no inkling of the content you are discussing yet pretend you do. You are very limited in intellect and personality.
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Double standard it seems.
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Goody67 wrote:
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You don't even know your own so-called belief.

Are you stupid? I was called a "moron" by Jew Berg after his second post, Werd the Weirdo always personally insults people and people like you and Huntinger are wannabe Nazis that like to claim people know very little when challenging your delusional beliefs - you never ever explain anything and resort to personal insults.
Self reflection as you are doing is a positive thing: it is good to be humble and use metacognition on your own limitations.
Friedrich calls everyone who disagrees with him names and has also be put in the Gulag a few times for such behaviours.
Huntinger is not a wannabe anything unlike people here who are wannabe historians who have never read an original document in their life only spewing up information from garbled second hand authors of little value. I suggest you read from Mr David Irving who is not totally agreed with but does provide a refreshing new viewpoint to often vexing questions.

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Post by Goody67 » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:23 am

VFX wrote:
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Self reflection as you are doing is a positive thing: it is good to be humble and use metacognition on your own limitations.
According to whom? ;)
Friedrich calls everyone who disagrees with him names and has also be put in the Gulag a few times for such behaviours.
Jew Berg uses this tactic when he has no other argument, which is most of the time.
Huntinger is not a wannabe anything unlike people here who are wannabe historians who have never read an original document in their life only spewing up information from garbled second hand authors of little value.
He's a wannabe Nazi that has absolutely no understanding of the Third Reich and Nazism - like the majority of the deniers on the RODOH forum.

Similarly, you (NSDAP on RODOH) claim to not be a Nazi, yet you have a Nazi swastika flag as your avatar on the RODOH forum.
I suggest you read from Mr David Irving who is not totally agreed with but does provide a refreshing new viewpoint to often vexing questions.
I have already read all of Irving's works. And?

Do you want to derail this thread any further?
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Post by VFX » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:07 pm

Goody67 wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:23 am


He's a wannabe Nazi that has absolutely no understanding of the Third Reich and Nazism - like the majority of the deniers on the RODOH forum.
I am not a Nazi I am National Socialist. It is you who do not understand the Reich nor the politics of the time. You can only see politics through the glasses of US politics with no understanding of how the people in other countries and cultures view the world. That is a serious limitation of yours and it shows. You are trying to run before you can even crawl.
Your views are completely stymied by Republican politics and Zionist influences. Your arrogance shows through with little real knowledge only some garbage spewing out of your fingertips from some shitty book you have read. I suggest you experience life by crawling through its dirt and being lifted by its wings, then you might actually understand politics and other cultures.
In the meantime try and sort out how the German speaking Swiss fit into this thread. I'll read your future fumblings.

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Re: Are the Austrians German? German Austria in 1918 and the Anschluss in 1938

Post by Goody67 » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:20 pm

VFX wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:07 pm
I am not a Nazi I am National Socialist. It is you who do not understand the Reich nor the politics of the time.
Do you adhere to the National Socialism variant that is widely known as Nazism during the Third Reich? (The answer is obvious.) Thus, you are a Nazi, irrespective of whether or not you dislike the term and use the full National Socialist.
You can only see politics through the glasses of US politics with no understanding of how the people in other countries and cultures view the world. That is a serious limitation of yours and it shows. You are trying to run before you can even crawl.
When have I ever stated that I am an American? :?
Your views are completely stymied by Republican politics and Zionist influences.
Since when did you know which books I have read?

Maybe you can explain to me the Zionist influence of Kershaw, Evans, Irving, Toland, Bullock, Gellately, etc?
Your arrogance shows through with little real knowledge only some garbage spewing out of your fingertips from some shitty book you have read. I suggest you experience life by crawling through its dirt and being lifted by its wings, then you might actually understand politics and other cultures.
Such "little real knowledge" that you seem to unable to refute. :lol:
In the meantime try and sort out how the German speaking Swiss fit into this thread. I'll read your future fumblings.
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Re: Are the Austrians German? German Austria in 1918 and the Anschluss in 1938

Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:44 am

VFX wrote: I am National Socialist
For what nation? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Are the Austrians German? German Austria in 1918 and the Anschluss in 1938

Post by Goody67 » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:07 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:44 am
[quote="V For what nation? [/color] :lol: :lol: :lol:
What kind of idiot believes in Nazism and claims to be a Russian-German? :?
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Re: Are the Austrians German? German Austria in 1918 and the Anschluss in 1938

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:42 pm

Goody67 wrote:
Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:07 pm
Matthew Ellard wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:44 am
[quote="V For what nation? [/color] :lol: :lol: :lol:
What kind of idiot believes in Nazism and claims to be a Russian-German? :?
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Re: Are the Austrians German? German Austria in 1918 and the Anschluss in 1938

Post by Goody67 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:45 am

I wonder if Austria had joined Germany after WW1 it would have made any difference as to whether Hitler would have to come power or not in Germany.
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