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Post by landrew » Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:15 am

It's simple. Just explode bombs in the deserts, throwing dust up into the air, cutting down on solar radiation.
Repeat as necessary.
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Re: Global warming solved

Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:03 am

Well my stupid idea was this.

You have a ten kilometer wide "shade cloth" that encircles the Earth at a geostationary orbit around the equator. You can make it in space, like a continuous guttering machine, because it would be in a geostationary orbit. You would use little robot spacecraft to fine tune its height as it adjusts for solar flares and things like that.

It only has to block out a small percentage of light to slightly reduce global warming.
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Re: Global warming solved

Post by Gord » Sat Oct 27, 2018 6:05 am

Don't be silly. All you have to do is move the Earth behind Mars for 2 hours every week, and everything will be fine.
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Re: Global warming solved

Post by TJrandom » Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:44 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:03 am
Well my stupid idea was this.

You have a ten kilometer wide "shade cloth" that encircles the Earth at a geostationary orbit around the equator. You can make it in space, like a continuous guttering machine, because it would be in a geostationary orbit. You would use little robot spacecraft to fine tune its height as it adjusts for solar flares and things like that.

It only has to block out a small percentage of light to slightly reduce global warming.
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Re: Global warming solved

Post by scrmbldggs » Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:17 am

They're killing us with their environmental consciousness. Many are saying that yuge global dimming would save us. :oldman:
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Re: Global warming solved

Post by landrew » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:13 pm

The earth was once tropical from pole to pole.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/study-nort ... -tropical/
I'm thinking that we might eventually get OK with that.
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Re: Global warming solved

Post by Poodle » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:32 pm

Probably wasn't quite like it is now, though ...
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Re: Global warming solved

Post by Monster » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:44 pm

I say redefine "global warming" to mean "the sun is coming up". The sun coming up is normal, thus, global warming isn't a problem anymore.
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Re: Global warming solved

Post by TJrandom » Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:52 pm

Wait just a moment here… we humans need a North/South, hard-working/easy-going divide, and we get that from the climate. What would we do without the stubbornness of the British and the hard labour of Germans, not to mention the laid back leisure of the equatorial islanders which gives cold climate grubbers an occasional reprieve? If all we have left is picking tropical fruit from overburdened trees, surely we will never make it to Mars. :?

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Re: Global warming solved

Post by Lance Kennedy » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:27 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
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You have a ten kilometer wide "shade cloth" that encircles the Earth at a geostationary orbit around the equator. .........

It only has to block out a small percentage of light to slightly reduce global warming

I had a similar (but better, ha ha, idea.)
Instead of shade cloth, put white balloons in orbit. They inflate up there, meaning that most is gas, and very light weight for launching into orbit. Attached to each balloon is a small detonator activated by a coded radio signal, so that if the system causes harmful side effects, you just pop the required number of balloons.

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Re: Global warming solved

Post by TJrandom » Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:49 pm

Matt just wants to hide the Southern Cross from anyone not truly eligible to see it.

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Re: Global warming solved

Post by Austin Harper » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:00 am

My idea was to drop a 10-15km diameter asteroid onto the Yucatan to put a bunch of dirt into the upper atmosphere to decrease the sunlight coming through but it turns out somebody already tried that 65 million years ago.
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Re: Global warming solved

Post by landrew » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:30 pm

I don't think I'm the first to come up with this one, but aluminum powder could be spread on the surface of the oceans to increase reflectivity and decrease absorption of heat.
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Re: Global warming solved

Post by TJrandom » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:01 pm

I like the National Geographic "Drain The Ocean" TV program to search for sunk stuff. Why not do this for global warming - just drain the oceans...

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Re: Global warming solved

Post by OlegTheBatty » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:11 pm

Austin Harper wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:00 am
My idea was to drop a 10-15km diameter asteroid onto the Yucatan to put a bunch of dirt into the upper atmosphere to decrease the sunlight coming through but it turns out somebody already tried that 65 million years ago.
Right, and then there was the Eocene. Fat lot of good that asteroid did.
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Re: Global warming solved

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TJrandom wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:01 pm
I like the National Geographic "Drain The Ocean" TV program to search for sunk stuff. Why not do this for global warming - just drain the oceans...
We could pump it into space, beyond the firmament, by using the space elevator!

And then everything will be back to the way it used to be....



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Re: Global warming solved

Post by landrew » Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:19 am

OlegTheBatty wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:11 pm
Austin Harper wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:00 am
My idea was to drop a 10-15km diameter asteroid onto the Yucatan to put a bunch of dirt into the upper atmosphere to decrease the sunlight coming through but it turns out somebody already tried that 65 million years ago.
Right, and then there was the Eocene. Fat lot of good that asteroid did.
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Re: Global warming solved

Post by ElectricMonk » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:08 am

Gord wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:48 pm
TJrandom wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:01 pm
I like the National Geographic "Drain The Ocean" TV program to search for sunk stuff. Why not do this for global warming - just drain the oceans...
We could pump it into space, beyond the firmament, by using the space elevator!

And then everything will be back to the way it used to be....



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You could build a funnel into space and let the vacuum do the rest.
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Re: Global warming solved

Post by Gord » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:17 am

ElectricMonk wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:08 am
Gord wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:48 pm
TJrandom wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:01 pm
I like the National Geographic "Drain The Ocean" TV program to search for sunk stuff. Why not do this for global warming - just drain the oceans...
We could pump it into space, beyond the firmament, by using the space elevator!

And then everything will be back to the way it used to be....



:derp:
You could build a funnel into space and let the vacuum do the rest.
Send the water back where it came from!
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Ain'tchoo never watched no yootoob? Any flah derfer can tell you, der ain't so such thing as a vak-yoom! Pshaw.
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Re: Global warming solved

Post by TJrandom » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:18 am

If there ain't no such thing as a vak-yoom, then just Hoover it up...

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Re: Global warming solved

Post by landrew » Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:51 pm

Gosh, with all our sense of mighty self-importance about terraforming Mars and the space elevator, you'd think we could manage a teeny thing like dropping the earth's temperature a few degrees. Somehow a puny carbon tax seems a bit inadequate for the job.
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Re: Global warming solved

Post by Lance Kennedy » Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:40 pm

We already know what to do to combat global warming. Some new technology is going to help, but mostly it is politicians at fault, unwilling to do what is needed.

Plus, landrew, there is a hell of a difference between erecting a small set of structures for a limited Mars colony, and dropping the temperature of a body that weighs 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 tonnes.

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Re: Global warming solved

Post by TJrandom » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:25 pm

Lance Kennedy wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:40 pm
We already know what to do to combat global warming. Some new technology is going to help, but mostly it is politicians at fault, unwilling to do what is needed.

Plus, landrew, there is a hell of a difference between erecting a small set of structures for a limited Mars colony, and dropping the temperature of a body that weighs 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 tonnes.
Long, short, or metric? :?

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Re: Global warming solved

Post by landrew » Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:27 pm

TJrandom wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:25 pm
Lance Kennedy wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:40 pm
We already know what to do to combat global warming. Some new technology is going to help, but mostly it is politicians at fault, unwilling to do what is needed.

Plus, landrew, there is a hell of a difference between erecting a small set of structures for a limited Mars colony, and dropping the temperature of a body that weighs 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 tonnes.
Long, short, or metric? :?
It's only the air that you have to cool, not the whole planet. Terraforming Mars is lot more to put on our plate.
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Re: Global warming solved

Post by Lance Kennedy » Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:36 pm

landrew wrote:
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It's only the air that you have to cool, not the whole planet. Terraforming Mars is lot more to put on our plate.
The atmosphere is 5,000,000,000,000,000 tonnes in weight. Better, but not easy.

PS. Because I come from a civilised nation, I use only metric tonnes. One metric tonne is 1,000 kilograms, as opposed to a long ton (1016 kg or 2240 pounds), or a short ton which is 2,000 pounds. One day, those silly Americans will come to their senses and change, to the obviously more practical system.

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Re: Global warming solved

Post by landrew » Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:13 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:
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One day, those silly Americans will come to their senses and change, to the obviously more practical system.
Never happen.
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Re: Global warming solved

Post by TJrandom » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:22 pm

landrew wrote:
Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:13 am
Lance Kennedy wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:36 pm
One day, those silly Americans will come to their senses and change, to the obviously more practical system.
Never happen.
As one of only seven third world countries, the US is sure taking a long time to make it happen.

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Re: Global warming solved

Post by Austin Harper » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:44 pm

I agree that the US should switch to metric like the rest of the developed world, but by definition they are a First World country.
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Post by TJrandom » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:55 am

Yes, of course – by most definitions, just not mine for this item. But I would extend that to require free and fair elections, universal health care, a desire to help their common man thru good public education and a government that delivers service without favour or eliciting fear in even the lowest economic tier, and a finding of being within the top 20 or so nations on many measures where the US simply falls down. But certainly first-world in industrialisation and personal disposable income.

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TJrandom wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:25 pm
Lance Kennedy wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:40 pm
We already know what to do to combat global warming. Some new technology is going to help, but mostly it is politicians at fault, unwilling to do what is needed.

Plus, landrew, there is a hell of a difference between erecting a small set of structures for a limited Mars colony, and dropping the temperature of a body that weighs 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 tonnes.
Long, short, or metric? :?
You don't need to ask. A person who writes "tonnes" instead of "tons" is using metric. Although, the last time I was in Britain, the signage on the roads was still in miles. (That was 1989.) Some things are perfect shibboleths, like writing "10 tons of aluminum" vs. "10 tonnes of aluminium". (Ha! the spell-checker at this American website underlined "tonnes" and "aluminium" in red, to warn me I haven't spelled them correctly!)
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Re: Global warming solved

Post by Upton_O_Goode » Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:54 am

landrew wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:13 pm
The earth was once tropical from pole to pole.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/study-nort ... -tropical/
I'm thinking that we might eventually get OK with that.
It would take some time. And people inhabiting small islands in the oceans would have to move elsewhere. And what grounds do we have for believing the warming has a thermostat set at "tropical"? Might it not be set at "blast furnace/Bessemer process"?

I've heard this line of reasoning very recently, from a rabid fan of Rash Limpjaw. He said that 10,000 years ago, there was a mile of ice right above where he is sitting. That's why he loves climate change. There you have it: If a certain amount of warming is good, well then, warming is ALWAYS good. The more warming the better. We can never have too much warming. Forget about terraforming Mars. We need to veneriform the Earth.
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Re: Global warming solved

Post by Austin Harper » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:47 pm

Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:45 am
TJrandom wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:25 pm
Lance Kennedy wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:40 pm
We already know what to do to combat global warming. Some new technology is going to help, but mostly it is politicians at fault, unwilling to do what is needed.

Plus, landrew, there is a hell of a difference between erecting a small set of structures for a limited Mars colony, and dropping the temperature of a body that weighs 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 tonnes.
Long, short, or metric? :?
You don't need to ask. A person who writes "tonnes" instead of "tons" is using metric. Although, the last time I was in Britain, the signage on the roads was still in miles. (That was 1989.) Some things are perfect shibboleths, like writing "10 tons of aluminum" vs. "10 tonnes of aluminium". (Ha! the spell-checker at this American website underlined "tonnes" and "aluminium" in red, to warn me I haven't spelled them correctly!)
When you give a number with 1 significant figure on the scale of 1027, the 10% difference between tons and tonnes hardly matters.
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Re: Global warming solved

Post by landrew » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:53 pm

Austin Harper wrote:
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hen you give a number with 1 significant figure on the scale of 1027, the 10% difference between tons and tonnes hardly matters.
I struggle to see how it matters at all in the context of this discussion.
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The quickest way to stop global warming would be to introduce a plague that killed off 80% - 90% of humanity. The rest could drive gas guzzlers, raise farting cattle, use coal-fired generators etc., and it wouldn't matter at all until the population grew again.
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Re: Global warming solved

Post by landrew » Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:37 pm

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The quickest way to stop global warming would be to introduce a plague that killed off 80% - 90% of humanity. The rest could drive gas guzzlers, raise farting cattle, use coal-fired generators etc., and it wouldn't matter at all until the population grew again.
Eugenics 101.
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Post by OlegTheBatty » Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:43 pm

landrew wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:37 pm
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:20 pm
The quickest way to stop global warming would be to introduce a plague that killed off 80% - 90% of humanity. The rest could drive gas guzzlers, raise farting cattle, use coal-fired generators etc., and it wouldn't matter at all until the population grew again.
Eugenics 101.
In a way, I suppose - people would be selected for their resistance to that particular disease, not for anything else.
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Re: Global warming solved

Post by landrew » Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:47 pm

OlegTheBatty wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:43 pm
landrew wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:37 pm
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:20 pm
The quickest way to stop global warming would be to introduce a plague that killed off 80% - 90% of humanity. The rest could drive gas guzzlers, raise farting cattle, use coal-fired generators etc., and it wouldn't matter at all until the population grew again.
Eugenics 101.
In a way, I suppose - people would be selected for their resistance to that particular disease, not for anything else.
And money to buy the vaccine.
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Re: Global warming solved

Post by OlegTheBatty » Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:14 pm

landrew wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:47 pm
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:43 pm
landrew wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:37 pm
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:20 pm
The quickest way to stop global warming would be to introduce a plague that killed off 80% - 90% of humanity. The rest could drive gas guzzlers, raise farting cattle, use coal-fired generators etc., and it wouldn't matter at all until the population grew again.
Eugenics 101.
In a way, I suppose - people would be selected for their resistance to that particular disease, not for anything else.
And money to buy the vaccine.
Not if the plague kills faster than a vaccine can be developed.
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Re: Global warming solved

Post by landrew » Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:40 pm

OlegTheBatty wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:14 pm
landrew wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:47 pm
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:43 pm
landrew wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:37 pm
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:20 pm
The quickest way to stop global warming would be to introduce a plague that killed off 80% - 90% of humanity. The rest could drive gas guzzlers, raise farting cattle, use coal-fired generators etc., and it wouldn't matter at all until the population grew again.
Eugenics 101.
In a way, I suppose - people would be selected for their resistance to that particular disease, not for anything else.
And money to buy the vaccine.
Not if the plague kills faster than a vaccine can be developed.
And what's the safety margin between a 90% die-off rate and 100%?
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Re: Global warming solved

Post by OlegTheBatty » Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:46 pm

landrew wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:40 pm
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:14 pm
landrew wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:47 pm
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:43 pm
landrew wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:37 pm
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:20 pm
The quickest way to stop global warming would be to introduce a plague that killed off 80% - 90% of humanity. The rest could drive gas guzzlers, raise farting cattle, use coal-fired generators etc., and it wouldn't matter at all until the population grew again.
Eugenics 101.
In a way, I suppose - people would be selected for their resistance to that particular disease, not for anything else.
And money to buy the vaccine.
Not if the plague kills faster than a vaccine can be developed.
And what's the safety margin between a 90% die-off rate and 100%?
Who cares? The planet surely doesn't.
. . . with the satisfied air of a man who thinks he has an idea of his own because he has commented on the idea of another . . . - Alexandre Dumas 'The Count of Monte Cristo"

There is no statement so absurd that it has not been uttered by some philosopher. - Cicero