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Re: Not Newsworthy, But . . .

Post by TJrandom » Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:57 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:00 am
It would be much more appropriate to jail the politicians and bureaucrats who ordered the emergency evacuation, against the advice of scientific experts.

After all, the nuclear accident killed no one, while the unnecessary evacuation resulted in the deaths of an estimated 1600 people.
And when was the last time that this sort of action was taken?

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Re: Not Newsworthy, But . . .

Post by TJrandom » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:02 am

TOKYO (Kyodo) -- The state-backed Japan Atomic Energy Agency said Wednesday it would need to spend about 1.9 trillion yen ($17.1 billion) to close 79 facilities over 70 years, …
I don`t know how this will affect the cost of electricity… but taxpayers are on the hook for it. It may never be reflected in electricity costs, but rather funded out of general revenues. And of course it will cost even more, as the article points out.

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Re: Not Newsworthy, But . . .

Post by ElectricMonk » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:07 am

The UK had built nuclear land mines.
Maybe Japan could set up a perimeter of nuclear sea mines to detonate anti-cyclic to a tsunami, thereby negating it ( or making it worse).

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Re: Not Newsworthy, But . . .

Post by Lance Kennedy » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:27 am

TJrandom wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:02 am
TOKYO (Kyodo) -- The state-backed Japan Atomic Energy Agency said Wednesday it would need to spend about 1.9 trillion yen ($17.1 billion) to close 79 facilities over 70 years, …
I don`t know how this will affect the cost of electricity… but taxpayers are on the hook for it. It may never be reflected in electricity costs, but rather funded out of general revenues. And of course it will cost even more, as the article points out.
More politician crap.

There is no need to close any nuclear facilities, until their natural time is up. Nuclear power remains the safest form of electricity generation of any of the major methods. Fear of nuclear power is like the fear of genetic modified food, where not one person has ever been harmed by the fact that his or her food was so modified. Ditto the fear of synthetic pesticide residues in food where natural pesticides, equally toxic, are found at levels 10,000 times as high.

Amazing how irrational fears can end up driving voters and thus cause politicians to do idiotic things.

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Re: Not Newsworthy, But . . .

Post by TJrandom » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:43 am

Lance - you should read the article before posting such BS. No fear of nuclear power referenced nor implied in the article. A large portion of the cost is for a failed fastbreader reactor, some is for maintenance and equipment replacements - and the total figure is for the next 70 years, which of course would include facilities now already significantly past their natural time as well as those which will be exceeded in the next 70 years.

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Re: Not Newsworthy, But . . .

Post by TJrandom » Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:21 am

Toshiba unveils robot to probe melted Fukushima nuclear fuel. Slow, but progress is being made.

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Re: Not Newsworthy, But . . .

Post by mack_10 » Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:05 pm

Lance Kennedy wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:27 am
TJrandom wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:02 am
TOKYO (Kyodo) -- The state-backed Japan Atomic Energy Agency said Wednesday it would need to spend about 1.9 trillion yen ($17.1 billion) to close 79 facilities over 70 years, …
I don`t know how this will affect the cost of electricity… but taxpayers are on the hook for it. It may never be reflected in electricity costs, but rather funded out of general revenues. And of course it will cost even more, as the article points out.
More politician crap.

There is no need to close any nuclear facilities, until their natural time is up. Nuclear power remains the safest form of electricity generation of any of the major methods. Fear of nuclear power is like the fear of genetic modified food, where not one person has ever been harmed by the fact that his or her food was so modified. Ditto the fear of synthetic pesticide residues in food where natural pesticides, equally toxic, are found at levels 10,000 times as high.

Amazing how irrational fears can end up driving voters and thus cause politicians to do idiotic things.
You think that not one person has been harmed by nuclear power? So in your world Chernobyl never happened
And GMOs are a very poor comparison considering the controversy over glyphosphate, a known carcinogen
And synthetic pesticide are harmless, can I assume there is no DDT in you utopia either
Next you will say that guns don't kill people so everyone should have one

So much capitalist lies told by companies that profit from them , not all technology is good technology
I bet you miss that good old days of lead in petrol, selling cigarettes to children, asbestos for insulation... this list just gets longer every year...70% alcohol in mouth wash, saccharine,...

Prove that no-one has been harmed by GMOs, you can't because companies still refuse to label the product.
Why do you suppose that is. surely "contains GMO" should be a badge of honour not something to be ashamed of

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Re: Not Newsworthy, But . . .

Post by Lance Kennedy » Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:08 pm

Mack

You have not been part of the ongoing debate, so your ignorance is excusable.

Chernobyl killed 49 people. The Banqiao hydroelectric disaster killed 170,000. So even with Chernobyl, nuclear power remains the safest of the major forms of generating electricity. I could go on, but this topic has already been discussed in depth.

You cannot prove GMOs are harmless. All that can be done is point out that genetically modified food has been eaten by billions of people, with millions eating it every day, without a single person over 25 years being harmed by the fact that their food is so modified. That is a better safety record than any other variety of food.

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Re: Not Newsworthy, But . . .

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:22 pm

Ignorance is excusable, but arguing from it is not.
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