IF YOU BELIEVE IN CONSPIRACY THEORIES, SCIENCE SAYS THERE’S SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOUR BRAIN

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Re: IF YOU BELIEVE IN CONSPIRACY THEORIES, SCIENCE SAYS THERE’S SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOUR BRAIN

Post by landrew » Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:49 pm

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Conspiracies exist. But conspiracies depend on secrecy. A revealed conspiracy really is no longer a conspiracy.

There is, however, a general principle of human nature that goes like this.
Two people can keep a secret as one of them is dead.

In other words, conspiracies have the habit of being betrayed. As a general rule, the biggest conspiracy that will not be betrayed is about ten people. The classic example is the mafia, who have the most powerful disincentive to betrayal (we will kill you !). Yet various mafia families keep getting betrayed.

So, if someone claims a very large secret conspiracy, you know it is crap, because no conspiracy above ten people operates without betrayal. That is why Wikileaks works.
It depends on what's at stake. Some organizations are very good at keeping secrets. The penalties can be quite severe in things like military secrets and organized crime.
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Post by Lance Kennedy » Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:56 pm

Worse penalties than the mafia one ?

You know, the one that does not work.

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Re: IF YOU BELIEVE IN CONSPIRACY THEORIES, SCIENCE SAYS THERE’S SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOUR BRAIN

Post by landrew » Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:02 pm

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Worse penalties than the mafia one ?

You know, the one that does not work.
It works most of the time.
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:49 am

gorgeous wrote: what do you think of the banker's story? he's very believable..
Gorgeous, you also showed us a rod puppet alien, that spoke English, on You Tube and claimed it was "very believable".

There are earthworms who are smarter than you are.
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Post by gorgeous » Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:09 pm

Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity.

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Conspiracy theories and low intelligence

Post by Matthew Ellard » Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:57 pm

gorgeous wrote: Alex Jones : Cell towers are used for mind control
Gorgeous? How come Alex Jones doesn't present any evidence for this claim?

Secondly, who, today, are you claiming is doing the mind controlling? Is it the Illuminati? The Alien Lizard people? The transsexual dancers at that club in Pasadena?

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Re: Conspiracy theories and low intelligence

Post by landrew » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:27 am

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gorgeous wrote: Alex Jones : Cell towers are used for mind control
Gorgeous? How come Alex Jones doesn't present any evidence for this claim?

Secondly, who, today, are you claiming is doing the mind controlling? Is it the Illuminati? The Alien Lizard people? The transsexual dancers at that club in Pasadena?
He does cite several sources if you watch the video, but it's hard to tell if they're valid because of his ranting and raving style of delivery.
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:07 am

landrew wrote: He does cite several sources if you watch the video, but it's hard to tell if they're valid because of his ranting and raving style of delivery.
You are claiming Alex Jones offers potentially "valid" citations that cell booster towers are really mind control devices?

Can you name one of these citations?

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Re: Conspiracy theories and low intelligence

Post by landrew » Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:16 am

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Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:07 am
landrew wrote: He does cite several sources if you watch the video, but it's hard to tell if they're valid because of his ranting and raving style of delivery.
You are claiming Alex Jones offers potentially "valid" citations that cell booster towers are really mind control devices?

Can you name one of these citations?
Right, I'm "claiming."
Don't you work?
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:30 am

landrew wrote: He (Alex Jones from Info Wars) does cite several sources if you watch the video, but it's hard to tell if they're valid because of his ranting and raving style of delivery.
Matthew Ellard wrote:You are claiming Alex Jones offers potentially "valid" citations that cell booster towers are really mind control devices? Can you name one of these citations?
landrew wrote:Right, I'm "claiming."
Yep. That's exactly what you did. Again, you didn't bother to actually look at one of these "sources" before saying they might be valid. In reality, there are no such citations as Alex Jones makes up crap and there is no such thing as cell tower mind control.
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Post by landrew » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:22 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:30 am
landrew wrote: He (Alex Jones from Info Wars) does cite several sources if you watch the video, but it's hard to tell if they're valid because of his ranting and raving style of delivery.
Matthew Ellard wrote:You are claiming Alex Jones offers potentially "valid" citations that cell booster towers are really mind control devices? Can you name one of these citations?
landrew wrote:Right, I'm "claiming."
Yep. That's exactly what you did. Again, you didn't bother to actually look at one of these "sources" before saying they might be valid. In reality, there are no such citations as Alex Jones makes up crap and there is no such thing as cell tower mind control.
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No one can find those sources, you buffoon. That was the point I was making.
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:45 am

landrew wrote: He (Alex Jones from Info Wars) does cite several sources if you watch the video, but it's hard to tell if they're valid because of his ranting and raving style of delivery.
landrew wrote:No one can find those sources, you buffoon. That was the point I was making.
It's Alex Jones from Info Wars, you nong, Nothing he says is real.

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Re: IF YOU BELIEVE IN CONSPIRACY THEORIES, SCIENCE SAYS THERE’S SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOUR BRAIN

Post by mack_10 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:49 pm

Am I a Conspiracy Theorist?
Yes Virginia, I am a Conspiracy Theorist
I have been a Conspiracy Theorist for a very long time

What is a Conspiracy Theorist? "According to Florida State University professor Lance deHaven-Smith's 2013 book Conspiracy Theory in America, the phrase conspiracy theory was deployed in the 1960s by the CIA to discredit JFK assassination conspiracy theories." (https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-origi ... y-theorist) A term used to discredit people who ask awkward questions.

I grew up during the 60s and remember the heady days of the Tobacco vs Science wars
When evil malicious Conspiracy Theorists, who were also MDs and PhDs, conspired to question the
"Tobacco is Safe" put forward by the noble and so profitable Tobacco companies.

For those too young to remember, evil malicious Conspiracy Theorists made unsubstantiated claims in the form of peer reviewed journal articles (that some had trouble getting published) and in the mass media against the noble and so profitable Tobacco companies saying that "tobacco was not safe" it actually did people harm.
The noble and so profitable Tobacco companies struck back by employing reputable MDs and PhDs to publish peer reviewed journal articles that rebuked the claims and then appear on talk shows, success, all was well and the reputation of tobacco was saved.
Then came the population studies:
Population studies that compared the health problems and life expectancies of non smokers with smokers.
Disaster, the studies showed not only showed that smokers have more health problems and shorter lives but the more you smoked the worse it became.
Fortunately, for tobacco, the argument changed from "Tobacco is Safe" to "freedom of choice", who could deny poor farmers the right to grow profitably crops, smokers their right to choose and governments their right to profit from the taxes gathered.

I also remember the "Lead in Petrol" vs Science wars that started before I was born, once again evil malicious Conspiracy Theorists, questioned the "Lead in petrol is safe" claim, once again the battle was fought in peer reviewed journals only to be resolved by population studies, in the places where lead was added to petrol, environmental lead was higher, health problems associated with lead were higher and worst of all long term brain damage associated with violent behaviour was higher. And yet, in some places in the world lead is still added to petrol?

I remember "Asbestos is Safe" vs Science, peer reviewed journal papers disputes, population studies, then, "asbestos is not safe", and yet the major company that continued to sell asbestos after the fact continues to claim they were robbed, and their investors were the real victims.

I remember "Alcohol is safe" not only safe but in moderation good for you, except this time the population study was done by the wine companies of France, and "mistakes" were made. The category of non-drinker contained a lot of people who had stopped drinking because their doctor had informed them they had ruined their livers and kidneys and were dying as a result. This skewed the result, recalculation showed that alcohol in any amount increased your health problems and decreased your life expectancy.

"Mobile phones are safe" the science of this was beautiful, first, get physicists to decide wether or not mobile phone radiation causes cancer, because physicists know all about cancer. The classic experiment was to fill a head shaped container with water, strap a mobile phone to it and measure the temperature rise, the temperature rise was so small that clearly there was not enough energy to cause cancer. In a related physics experiment, get a barrel of water, of about 100kgs and fire a .22 bullet into it and measure the temperature rise to determine if bullets are detrimental to people's health.
In unrelated medical observations the incidence of brain cancer is seen to rise in countries after mobile phones were introduced. The issue at the moment seems to revolve around the road toll, which despite observation and statistics mobile phone companies blame on people's behaviour not the phone?
But let's not forget the definitive Nokia study, published on their website. Where Nokia compared whole body cancer rates in the 70% of the population that used mobile phones with the population as a whole and found a small but statistically insignificant increase. Wait "70% of the population that used mobile phones with the population as a whole" should that not be the 70% of the population that used mobiles phones with the 30% that did not, recalculation showed "mobile phones cause cancer" the study was taken down 3 days after it went up when someone corrected the math on the internet, evil malicious Conspiracy Theorists strike again.

Do I believe in all conspiracy theories? No.
Some I simply do not know enough about, some are just not credible (I could be wrong).
JFK, don't know (honestly don't care).
Extraterrestrials hidden by government, probably not.
Antioxidants, don't know (suspect not, but waiting on further data, you know like a scientist).
Lunar landing, doubt it (still, some very strange pictures, and that Apollo 17 lunar takeoff?).
9/11, which conspiracy?
Vaccinations, I know enough to know vaccinations have saved, and continue to save many lives and that autism is probably a complex genetic trait unrelated to vaccination.

The evidence that "GMOs are safe" is moot, the statement iself is not science, you should have realised by now, it is a marketing claim. To really decide we need population studies, you know like all the other times companies claimed things were safe because they were making a profit. But how do you do science on this, when people do not know if they are consuming GMOs or not, where is the clear labelling on all GMO products, why are GMO companies opposed to labelling, why do they fear the population studies and the evil malicious Conspiracy Theorists? And yes, glyphosphate is an valid issue in this, if you plant GMOs then you spray glyphosphate (active ingedient of Roundup) it is a known carcinogen and not safe.

The question is not "Am I a conspiracy theorist"? (A scientist is always skeptical.)
The question is why aren't you?

I am a conspiracy theorist, I doubt, therefore I am.

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Post by gorgeous » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:25 pm

another one----
U.S. apologizes for STD experiments in Guatemala - Health - Sexual ...


www.nbcnews.com/id/39456324/ns/.../t/us ... periments/



Oct 1, 2010 - U.S. apologizes for Guatemala STD experiments ... On Friday, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Health and Human Services Secretary ...
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Post by Lance Kennedy » Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:46 pm

To mack

The answer is that empirical testing trumps bulldust theories every time.

Sure, in this weird world, anything can happen. That is why scientists are constantly carrying out empirical tests to see what happens. Cell phones and cancer, for example. The testing did not stop at measuring temperature rise in water containers. It was extensive and thorough, and scientifically rigorous. For example, detailed epidemiology to see if brain cancers were more common among cell phone users. They were not.

Before you accept those idiotic conspiracy theories, check out what testing has been done.

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:57 pm

gorgeous" wrote: another one----
U.S. government medical researchers intentionally infected hundreds of people in Guatemala, including institutionalized mental patients, with gonorrhea and syphilis without their knowledge or permission in the 1940s.

The researchers were trying to determine whether the antibiotic penicillin could prevent syphilis infection, not just cure it

Gosh Gorgeous. You always have the most recent news. :lol:

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Post by landrew » Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:38 pm

gorgeous wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 1:05 pm
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle are cousins - Business Insider


http://www.businessinsider.com/prince-h ... ns-2017-10


---protecting the bloodline as always...
The click-bait headline doesn't explain that they are "distant cousins" going back to the 15th century. That definition would include millions of people as "cousins."

The greater surprise is that the royals would allow a half African American into their bloodline.
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Post by gorgeous » Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:47 pm

only because she doesn't look black ...if she had dark skin and her natural afro she had as a kid he wouldn't have looked twice at her...they might have a baby with a red haired afro...btw Trump is also their cousin...all presidents are related to the Queen...go figure...
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Post by landrew » Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:07 pm

gorgeous wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:47 pm
only because she doesn't look black ...if she had dark skin and her natural afro she had as a kid he wouldn't have looked twice at her...they might have a baby with a red haired afro...btw Trump is also their cousin...all presidents are related to the Queen...go figure...
We don't know what the queen would think about a royal with a red afro, and I'm sure we'll never know.
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Post by gorgeous » Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:37 pm

“We need a program of psychosurgery for political control of our society. The purpose is physical control of the mind. Everyone who deviates from the given norm can be surgically mutilated. The individual may think that the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal point of view. . . Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. . . . We must electronically control the brain. Someday armies and generals will be controlled by electronic stimulation of the brain.”
Dr. Jose M.R. Delgado, Director of Neuropsychiatry, Yale University Medical School, Congressional Record, No. 26, Vol. 118, February 24, 1974.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:46 pm

gorgon, there's something wrong with your brain. Period.
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Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity.

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The hat is a clue...
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