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Post by zeuzzz » Mon Jul 07, 2014 4:53 pm

Through the forced idiocy of TV the drama of a dying world has been turned into a kind of soap opera for most people.

They do not understand that it's their story. And people do not realize that unless there is some kind of revolution it's not just their life, but their entire children and progenies life, that is at stake.

Would people agree this is the primary root cause of our social apathy at our current predicament?
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Post by Gord » Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:05 pm

To reduce the population, I'm not having any children, so that my grandchildren will be able to live in a better world.
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Post by zeuzzz » Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:05 pm

Ok now I'm confused; am I still in a monty python sketch, Gord, or in reality?
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Post by digress » Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:43 pm

zeuzzz wrote:
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zeuzzz wrote:Pretty sure I totally misunderstood your post digress, ignore reply, or clarify what you were asking, if you want.
You turning off your lights at night, for example, says nothing about addressing a world problem.
Bad sarcasm again ...
It may help attribute to local [your town] energy conservation, but the world is a community conglomerate. Unless a problem is attacking all these communities it technically isn't a world problem. The irony with the video is that it was produced in English. At the very least don't you think this video should have maybe Chinese subtitles considering they've arguably the worlds largest single community? In this regard it appears to mock the challenge it tries to address.

Unless I am to assume English speaking communities are in-charge or are responsible for world problems. But then you'd have to deal with a tidal wave of new-age liberals who wave the don't act flag of pacifism in the face of any domestic legislation that doesn't directly support the growth of foreign powers.

So I'm confused by what exactly this video is accomplishing or attempting to relay. It appears to be a colossal guilt-trip in reflection to the picture it presents for the local English youtuber. My reply was an attempt to mock this lazy abuse of language. The "presentation of a question". (no disrespect)
Can you provide a transcript of it into a foreign dialect so the message can reach the widest demographics possible? I would be eternally grateful if you could, I can provide the English transcript if you want.
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I'm not capable of doing this and reaching out to other demographics with a message or question of any kind. I only speak English and American.
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Post by Gord » Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:00 am

zeuzzz wrote:Ok now I'm confused; am I still in a monty python sketch, Gord, or in reality?
I was liberally misquoting British comedian Jimmy Carr.
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Post by zeuzzz » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:49 am

Gord wrote:
zeuzzz wrote:Ok now I'm confused; am I still in a monty python sketch, Gord, or in reality?
I was liberally misquoting British comedian Jimmy Carr.
As long as it's a misquote I can no longer rant.

Jimmy is great. But he relies on one liners too much. It's almost as if he's a graduate of some kind of comedy school, with a focus of British humor and psychology.
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A-number wrote:
...Furthermore, I always loved your avatar :P
Thank you A-number.

And I must say that praying for people in good faith is admirable. I couldn't do that but I've met genuine and authentic Christians whose way of life caused me to think that maybe there is a way we can all live in a tolerant multifaceted society without persecutions and unnecessary diatribe of conflicting viewpoints.

You A-number have been a stubborn member of this forum for a long time and I must tell you that your viewpoint is much appreciated. Hell, what is the point of agreeing on everything, eh.

And with regard to praying for the women who have been forced into prostitution... yeah that's good, however during my time as the world traveler and discoverer of things forbidden I run into a lot of prostitutes who worked in the sex trade by clear choice.

Yes, if they could be millionaires and spend the rest of their lives in their villas on lake Como they would but otherwise a thousand dollars a trick beats eleven dollars an hour and a lot of grease at McDonalds anytime. :mrgreen:
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zeuzzz wrote:
Gord wrote:
zeuzzz wrote:Ok now I'm confused; am I still in a monty python sketch, Gord, or in reality?
I was liberally misquoting British comedian Jimmy Carr.
As long as it's a misquote I can no longer rant.

Jimmy is great. But he relies on one liners too much. It's almost as if he's a graduate of some kind of comedy school, with a focus of British humor and psychology.
What, Cambridge?
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Post by Flash » Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:29 am

You are right A-number. The oldest profession is far from being what you might call "a good job" especially for the girls (and boys) working on the street. It's dangerous in more ways than one and it attracts clients who often turn out to be the text book case of the violent psychopath.
This is why a legalized prostitution gives the sex trade workers some protection. They can be tracked, they can have the medical exams and treatments if necessary and they are much safer in well run bordellos than on the street.
Hell, they might even have a retirement pension plan.

We have now a conservative government in Canada and since the hypocrisy is inseparable from their ideology they have decided to impress the nation with a novel idea...they are going to get rid of the oldest profession in Canada for ever.

We are going to be the only virtuous country in the world where prostitution will no longer exist. Believe this and you might as well think that Santa Claus is real and lives at the North Pole as well.

Never mind the environmental oil sands disaster, unemployment, the need to legalize pot and other drugs in order to stop incarcerating basically innocent and non violent people. never mind the god damn roads, bridges and the public transportation and improving our much imperfect healthcare. No, to the idiots in Ottawa it's getting rid of the prostitution that is the most important agenda right now.

I think that in the unlikely scenario where these morons get reelected a year or so from now we will probably end up with the Saudi stile religious police making sure that the nation is completely pious and equally stupid.
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Post by zeuzzz » Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:38 pm

I met a girl in Thailand who actually left her day job in Mcdonalds and worked as a prostitute out of choice for a year, before working as a swimming pool attendant (where I met her and her mates) and she was very open about it, guess it's a different culture there. She said was one of her favorite jobs, hardly any hours a day, good pay, well managed and enjoyable work (sometimes). Guess she was one of the lucky ones who could enjoy it, I would guess most do not, they just kinda put up with it to get paid.

I used to think similar about porn stars, that they were malfunctional in some way or had issues in their lives, but having watched a few interviews with some (tyt interviews) that opinion was pretty naive too. Not saying it's right (prostiution) but I don't think blanket statements appy in these areas.
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Post by zeuzzz » Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:18 pm

A-number wrote:I personally don't trust interviews, at least not all of them. Interviews are generally paid and the payee better answer the way they are told to answer. They sign papers saying this and that, etc. I cannot do this, I cannot sue, etc. It's full of bs. On the other hand, I caught one late night tv program looong time ago, While some of the girls claimed they worked 10 hrs a month as porn workers and got paid 6k$ each month, many of them did that behind their parents back so they were always in a state of terror as to their family in one way or the other coming to find out. The investigators closely followed couple. I remember that one got to a point she met this guy and wanted to get married, he quickly found out and dumped her on the spot. And next and next. It was just so sad for her, no one wanted her as a significant other, fiancee, girlfriend. To them, she was piece of trash. Not to mention that she was beautiful and still young and everything!!!!!. Regardless of the cash they get, I couldn't imagine a beautiful girl (all girls are beautiful) dumping the totality of aaaaaall her career options to put a lease on her ass, private parts, body and her personhood. I just could not!
I feel really sorry for her. Cultural narratives people believe without thinking of peoples individuality, instead lumping them into a group mentality, are plain depressing, and far too prevalent. It's far too easy for people to be swept up in these kind of ideas, identifying themselves as black, gay, christian, atheist, whatever, people are highly complex individuals with all sorts of reasons for their actions outside of any group stereotype, and ascribing a group worth to any one person and judging them by it is a massive logical fallacy. The older generation is far worse at this than the younger generation. The older generation are worse I think thanks to newspapers and sensationalist news. My two cents.
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zeuzzz wrote:I met a girl in Thailand who actually left her day job in Mcdonalds and worked as a prostitute out of choice for a year, before working as a swimming pool attendant (where I met her and her mates) and she was very open about it, guess it's a different culture there. She said was one of her favorite jobs, hardly any hours a day, good pay, well managed and enjoyable work (sometimes). Guess she was one of the lucky ones who could enjoy it, I would guess most do not, they just kinda put up with it to get paid.

I used to think similar about porn stars, that they were malfunctional in some way or had issues in their lives, but having watched a few interviews with some (tyt interviews) that opinion was pretty naive too. Not saying it's right (prostiution) but I don't think blanket statements appy in these areas.
I don't understand why people would assume prostitution is unfavorable by the prostitute. I find more daily misery from the compulsory testimony of many people in my office to suggest they may be happier if they were pretty enough to sell their bodies.
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Post by zeuzzz » Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:14 pm

We're a pretty sexually repressed society. You may not feel sexually repressed, but think back to 100 years ago when pianos had to wear trousers as their legs were deemed too rude! I call what we have done since progress.
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Cant be an easy job though at times, when you get people like this

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I presume nowadays they can refuse a customer, even if they are not upfront about why.
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Post by zeuzzz » Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:53 pm

Anyway I think the subject of this thread is wondering, so here is the original talk that the original video, and second video I linked to, were both ripped from. A four minute excerpt of a three hour long lecture.

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Post by zeuzzz » Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:14 am

I dunno. Sorry if I touched a nerve (I posted that pic after I came in from the pub, breaking my do not post after drinking rule, as it nearly always ends in me annoying someone). I don't think women of any profession like being called whores though.

My mother or sister? Wouldn't like it, but if they were happy who am I to judge. Some mothers do porn with their daughters when both are married, I read an article on vice about it. Watched a channel four documentary a week back about mature escorts that get into it after retirement, they all seemed pretty happy to be honest, including an 80 year old escort in the uk :shock: You can watch it here, you might need to use a uk proxy: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/my-g ... escort/4od" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

According to that docu It's no longer illegal to sell sex or pay for it btw.

How on earth did we get on this topic in this thread again? Maybe this should be split to a new one.
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Post by zeuzzz » Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:20 am

A-number wrote:So as an adult, guys are candid when I am around (not in a rude derogatory way). And dude, it's freaking a learning lesson!!!!I've witness guys who act like angels when their "wedded" wives are present to only turn around and start speaking of them like pieces of trash the minute the woman steps out!!!I have been celibate for at least 12 years now, and lived happily ever after though I don't have the single issue with my sexuality, appearance or anything.
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Those men with any introspection into their actions know this. I know it, but I'm still chained, to an extent, and I'm not too fond of that castration bizniz. It's an endless battle between what organ you decide to treat most presciently. A lot of guys choose the wrong one, all the time.
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Post by zeuzzz » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:47 pm

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That makes them unfit to be in charge and command then. I mean if women are "emotional" and as result deemed unfit to be trusted with certain serious tasks, and guys are this bad, then as far as the gender, it is irrelevant when it comes to making certain decisions about who is going to be in charge or not.
Now this I 100% agree with. We need to rid ourselves of thousands of years of male dominance. I mean until maybe 70 years ago in most cultures women were seen nothing more than than soft boys lol. I'm not sure many feminists realise what a deep issue they've latched onto. Look at the ratio of genders of the worlds richest CEOs of corporations, I think it's like 20:1, and that's where most of what of wrong with the planet is. Look at the ratio of politicians, or worse look at the ratio in the military or intelligence agencies, which is where most of the power lies.

I can't remember her name but one of US's intelligence oversight politicians who was female was so fed up with the corruption in the agencies she released some damning sensitive data recently. You had all the neocons and war hawks on the media coming on saying 'she a woman, she's just too emotional to be trusted' and other nonsense, a woman Is being weak, etc. I'd much rather have someone who got emotional over serious issues in charge than was stone cold dead to emotion when making important decisions. The daily show did a brilliant hilarious piece on this, first ridiculing the idea that she was weak, then showing clips of a host of mainstream male politicians crying in their campaign 'coz they loved America so much' and getting emotional to counter the idea that only women get emotional :D

I'll try find the clip maybe. [found it] http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/09yfp ... tled-women" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Post by HghrSymmetry » Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:58 am

Tis most passing strange. :|

Reading this thread would lead one to expect all males to be but maggots!

Surely ye would not include the gallant Symmetry is such a group!?

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Acknowledged.

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Post by zeuzzz » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:40 pm

A-number wrote:No Paul, not all guys are crap. Not in the US anyway. Perhaps on the level of government, it's a majority. For example, when I was searching to find more about the inside story of 9/11, one of the really good documentaries mentioned the fact that there was an important office on one of the towers I forgot the name of it, it hosted some type of really really important governmental commission. This commission discovered that there was a hole of 2.3 trillions $ within the Defense budget that no one knows where it went or how it was used. this commision was set to go after the Patagon and forced them to explain what happened to that Large Sum. Well, :lol: , after 9/11 they were no more and no one was there to expose the robbers of that money. This is only a drop in the ocean.
Rumsfeld gave a public talk in which he was the first person to publically awknowledge this titanic multi billion (don't think it was trillion) accounting discrepancy two days before 9/11 happened, and said they were 'looking into it'. Then 9/11 happened, and it's rarely been brought up since.
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Post by zeuzzz » Sat Aug 02, 2014 7:04 pm

Oi, leave him alone, the most profound quote I ever heard came out of Donalds mouth. *rolleyes*

"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know."

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Post by zeuzzz » Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:49 am

Anyone familiar with the zeigeist movement? I don't mean the first one with all the conspiracies in it, the third one, called 'moving forward' (22 million views). I think what Mckenna was getting at is that democracy has flaws as people are stupid and fall for all the crazy marketing and vote in the person based on superficial things such as looks or oratory skills, while remaining completely ignorant of their actual policies (which rarely cause major change to the status quo on the level we need). In moving forward they outline that scientists, engineers and experts need to be given power to steer society to more rational political and environmental decisions, ie, a resource based economy.

Which is what I think Mckenna meant when he says in this lecture ""The thing that was so great about the 60's, and is so frustrating about the 90's and modern times is that people do not get pissed off. You know I can can tell you this, and you can nod in agreement, but at some point the thing becomes so odious, so clearly intellectually bankrupt, so clearly toxic to any kind of human values that we can relate to that you just have to put yourself on the line. And I don't know when that moment will come, it's not for me to say, but at some point a switch will be turned in the unconscious; there's enough evidence, outrage and muddleheadedness and downright evil around that sooner or later we are going to have to confront it, otherwise this society is just a sinking submarine. And there is no way out unless people who really understand the gravity of the situation and the stakes make their voices heard.

Would this type of system theoretically work?
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Erm...

You are referring to what system?
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In conclusion, Terence McKenna was a scientist turned gypsy spokesperson for
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......
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But really, it was all due to a brain tumor:

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kennyc wrote:http://thebiggestsecret.wordpress.com/2 ... e-mckenna/

http://lunaticoutpost.com/showthread.php?tid=61865" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://haecceities.wordpress.com/2009/0 ... wave-zero/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
......
In conclusion, Terence McKenna was a scientist turned gypsy spokesperson for
the shamanic realms. His claim is that by ingesting certain plants we come into
contact with an objective reality that has a message for us.
......
http://realitysandwich.com/55798/machine_elves_101/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But really, it was all due to a brain tumor:

http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/ ... kenna.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Or perhaps it could have been due to isolation from the real world…. little contact with actual human beings, lovers, wives, children, friends, whose better judgment and more stringent connection with reality might have saved him from going over the edge..
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kennyc wrote:http://thebiggestsecret.wordpress.com/2 ... e-mckenna/

http://lunaticoutpost.com/showthread.php?tid=61865" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://haecceities.wordpress.com/2009/0 ... wave-zero/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
......
In conclusion, Terence McKenna was a scientist turned gypsy spokesperson for
the shamanic realms. His claim is that by ingesting certain plants we come into
contact with an objective reality that has a message for us.
......
http://realitysandwich.com/55798/machine_elves_101/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But really, it was all due to a brain tumor:

http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/ ... kenna.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Hey KennyC. How is this relevant to anything in this thread? We are speaking about a topic he brought up here, not making Ad Hom jibes at him. Do you actually beleive anything in those articles? If so what? I would go through why [for the most part] are pretty much nonsense, but it would take too long.
nmblum wrote: Or perhaps it could have been due to isolation from the real world…. little contact with actual human beings, lovers, wives, children, friends, whose better judgment and more stringent connection with reality might have saved him from going over the edge..
That will happen…
And does.
Erm, he was happily married with three children for 25 years, was just about the most sociable person you can imagine (he has 400 hours of talks on youtube) and attended various counter cultural talks all the time, this guy basically never stopped socializing. He never 'went over the edge'. He had a brain tumor. The doctors and sugeons involved said it was genetic, as his dad also died of cancer.
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clarsct wrote:Erm...

You are referring to what system?
It's a resource based economy (they call it) It's based mainly on ideas inspired by Jjque Frescos venus project.

If you want more details I can recommend watching the documentary from part III onwards. They actually have a rather large movement behind them, their zeigeist series in total has been seen over 500 million times online. And the most recent one interviews some very prominant scientists, including Stanfords Dr. Robert Sapolsky, who is simply great.
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zeuzzz wrote:
kennyc wrote:http://thebiggestsecret.wordpress.com/2 ... e-mckenna/

http://lunaticoutpost.com/showthread.php?tid=61865" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://haecceities.wordpress.com/2009/0 ... wave-zero/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
......
In conclusion, Terence McKenna was a scientist turned gypsy spokesperson for
the shamanic realms. His claim is that by ingesting certain plants we come into
contact with an objective reality that has a message for us.
......
http://realitysandwich.com/55798/machine_elves_101/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But really, it was all due to a brain tumor:

http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/ ... kenna.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Hey KennyC. How is this relevant to anything in this thread? We are speaking about a topic he brought up here, not making Ad Hom jibes at him. Do you actually beleive anything in those articles? If so what? I would go through why [for the most part] are pretty much nonsense, but it would take too long.
nmblum wrote: Or perhaps it could have been due to isolation from the real world…. little contact with actual human beings, lovers, wives, children, friends, whose better judgment and more stringent connection with reality might have saved him from going over the edge..
That will happen…
And does.
Erm, he was happily married with three children for 25 years, was just about the most sociable person you can imagine (he has 400 hours of talks on youtube) and attended various counter cultural talks all the time, this guy basically never stopped socializing. He never 'went over the edge'. He had a brain tumor. The doctors and surgeons involved said it was genetic, as his dad also died of cancer.
Golly, 400 hours of talk on YouTube!!
Fab.
That must exceed the output of Billy Graham!!
Or Moses.
Moses was quite a talker and very social, too.
But… seriously: I must have confused your hero with someone else…..
Although i cannot tell a like…. never heard of him before, and don't really know anything about him now hat he's been brought to my attention; there are simply too many gurus in the world and admittedly many of them escape my notice
And probably would even were I actually looking for them. …
I am not by nature a seeker for deeper truths than i can perceive with my own eyes, and decipher through my own mind with its cache of experience.
Just your regular boring hide bound materialist, i guess…. who actually likes the world as it is, warts and all.

Just too conventional, no doubt, and tied to my own off-key drummer: I am not by nature a seeker of better ways to live in a world that has been very good to me.
Other that is, than assiduously reading the KennyC. bulletins: I never miss one.
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Destructive primate dominance heriarchies we are still left with was one of Mckennas main points. They are male based disempowering ego predicated social structures that have taken root in the human psyche like a tumor. He even came up with various ways we can help dissolve those boundaries, the main one he thought that worked was, of course, through psychedelics.
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McKenna is a deluded idiot on par with Chopra.
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kennyc wrote:McKenna is a deluded idiot on par with Chopra.
Explain why. This should be a giggle.
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kennyc wrote:
But really, it was all due to a brain tumor:

It's a very fast growing type of tumour. McKenna was into his thing a long time.

One could wonder what evidence brings kennyc to his conclusion that it was "all due to a brain tumour", but evidence, logic, and kennyc's conclusions are strangers.
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zeuzzz wrote:
clarsct wrote:Erm...

You are referring to what system?
It's a resource based economy (they call it) It's based mainly on ideas inspired by Jjque Frescos venus project.

If you want more details I can recommend watching the documentary from part III onwards. They actually have a rather large movement behind them, their zeigeist series in total has been seen over 500 million times online. And the most recent one interviews some very prominant scientists, including Stanfords Dr. Robert Sapolsky, who is simply great.
Hmmmmmm.

I am somewhat unwilling to watch the documentaries, I would rather someone simply explain the concept here. I read far faster than most people speak, if they wish to be heard intelligibly. From the reading I have done, it looks very much like these folks have misunderstood scarcity. And vastly misunderstood human nature.

There is only so many physical goods to go around. A tree only produces X amount of apples. If Y people want apples, and Y>X, then there is scarcity of apples. Just because there are oranges available does not necessarily mean that people will stop wanting apples. Even if the oranges are in some objective way better.

The second misunderstanding is that people do what is logical, reasonable, and makes sense. Economists know this to be false. It isn't what people do. The run on Cabbage Patch Kids did not make sense. But it happened. And it happened in a manner that wasn't foreseen.

And..well...there are always people trying to game the system. The same corruption we see in communism is in play, because someone has to program the computers. In fact...a group of hackers could, in effect, take over the world. If humans didn't want more, we'd still be living as hunter/gathers. People survived just fine that way. But we wanted beer, and a store of food. Some assurance that we could raise successful offspring. Land, grain..these things are scarce as a result.

If we were all robots, it may work..then again so would Communism.
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clarsct wrote:it looks very much like these folks have misunderstood scarcity. And vastly misunderstood human nature.
How do you mean?

Did you know if properly harnessed, there's enough sunlight that falls on the earth in just one hour to meet the world's energy demands for a whole year? The only reason we are not changing our infrastructures, cultural attitudes and minds to harness that energy is due to the self serving monopoly the current petrochemical, energy and corporate media industries have over the majority of minds (due to TV) in the world. And by fiat most of the fiat currencies and monetary systems.
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SweetPea wrote:It's a very fast growing type of tumour. McKenna was into his thing a long time.

One could wonder what evidence brings kennyc to his conclusion that it was "all due to a brain tumour", but evidence, logic, and kennyc's conclusions are strangers.
I've actually refrained from having a go at kenny for a while now in the hope he would start to be more reasonable with me, but it's like trying to teach an old dog new tricks.

To me he's like a barking lap dog, annoying and pointless.

Apparently he has me on ignore, yet he somehow still reads everyone of my posts and replies often, you'd almost need a psychiatrist to analyze that behaviour. Kenny, you are one, right? What's your personal verdict?
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clarsct wrote: I am somewhat unwilling to watch the documentaries, I would rather someone simply explain the concept here. I read far faster than most people speak, if they wish to be heard intelligibly.
I hear you. That is why I love forums, you can get information far quicker by reading than from talks. Annoyingly though, due to the nature of the internet now, a lot of the most interesting information from some of the greatest minds still only exists in video/audio form. I wish it was different, but that is simply our current predicament until transcribing software is able to catch up with colloquial dialects/accents to transcribe talks on bulk.

I hate to do this to you, as you just said you prefer reading rather than listening, but the main person behind the zeitgeist movement very recewntly gave a two hour long interview which really really does cover nearly every single thing you need to know about it. Since 500 million people have watched the documentaries, I hope you think it important enough to spend a little time watching. You have any idea of what % percentage of the worlds population that implies? (it is mainly followed by the younger generation looking for solutions)

(skip to 9:30 to go past the assinine intro site promotion, or start at 24:00 for when they start talking about the content of the documentaries rather than how they started)

Also, since you previously brought up scarcity, he mentions it @32:40 and his free ebook "the zeitgeist movement defined", about how we can transition into a post scarcity society.

[ytube][/ytube]

I'm rushed for time, so can't really explain much more at this point, but if you have any questions/critisisms after watching/reading I'd love to hear.
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zeuzzz wrote:Anyone familiar with the zeigeist movement? I don't mean the first one with all the conspiracies in it, the third one, called 'moving forward' (22 million views). I think what Mckenna was getting at is that democracy has flaws as people are stupid and fall for all the crazy marketing and vote in the person based on superficial things such as looks or oratory skills, while remaining completely ignorant of their actual policies (which rarely cause major change to the status quo on the level we need). In moving forward they outline that scientists, engineers and experts need to be given power to steer society to more rational political and environmental decisions, ie, a resource based economy.

Which is what I think Mckenna meant when he says in this lecture ""The thing that was so great about the 60's, and is so frustrating about the 90's and modern times is that people do not get pissed off. You know I can can tell you this, and you can nod in agreement, but at some point the thing becomes so odious, so clearly intellectually bankrupt, so clearly toxic to any kind of human values that we can relate to that you just have to put yourself on the line. And I don't know when that moment will come, it's not for me to say, but at some point a switch will be turned in the unconscious; there's enough evidence, outrage and muddleheadedness and downright evil around that sooner or later we are going to have to confront it, otherwise this society is just a sinking submarine. And there is no way out unless people who really understand the gravity of the situation and the stakes make their voices heard.

Would this type of system theoretically work?
I saw one of the related documentaries about 2 or 3 months ago. I thought it was good. but the problem with that is most people are too stupid and air headed to even want to consider the content of such material. Some are going to act on the queues given and commit to a certain extent, some are going to want to kill it as they are evil and think the world should exclusively revolve around them, their schemes, most are too traumatised by their own daily lives miseries to be able to do the thing to follow through.
One thing is good, and that is that there are many many people, famous or not that are speaking up and working to get other to rally to change for the better how things are currently. This movment is one of them.
You might want to UTube "Thrive" also. Another documentary that could join forces with this one that has in mind to also work to changes things for the better for everyone and not just for the elite.
Thanks for the recommendation. That documentary seems to have a leader. I do not trust a leader, or any form of heirarchy, the idea that any single person could provide the answer is silly, and he seems like he's promoting himself rather than the message. And also a corporate greed aspect (read the description, they are selling a product "Buy the DVD w/ 50+ minutes of bonus features, [url revoked] * Donate to support the THRIVE Movement [url revoked]") so unless you can summarize their points here cogently I'll remain a skeptic :P He also reports aliens and UFOs. Whut :shock:

(also his energy arguments seem to violate the conservation of energy, and he's totally misrepesented Teslas legacy)
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