Critical Thinking, the Problem of Multiple Interpretations, and Mass Murder

How should we think about weird things?
CyberCynic
New Member
Posts: 32
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:35 pm

Critical Thinking, the Problem of Multiple Interpretations, and Mass Murder

Post by CyberCynic » Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:24 pm

The obvious example is the multiple interpretations of the Constitution that is unwittingly instituted by the accepted descriptions of the Supreme Court justices as being "liberal," or "conservative." Sort of a corollary, is the concept of a compromise of politics. There is no actual possible compromise of principled reasoning that the concept leads the peon public to believe, but rather, the legislators are deploying a deception of reciprocal funding for projects in other districts by calling it a, "compromise." The problem trickles down into the society (chaos), and causes frustration and sometimes a violent event, such as, mass shootings, which are meant to shock the society to adjust the social order. Make no mistake about it mass murderers do not do it for fun and games - they have a motive that goes beyond any personal revenge.

There is at least one other problem. Some dictionary definitions are in error, and provide for a margin of error in reasoning that is unacceptable, now, compared to previous eras. Although, it is not that difficult to recognize that before the establishment of dictionaries to stabilize definitions and the general literacy rate was improved, that the literate people of the earlier eras (lawyers), were able to manipulate the words and definitions more freely. But that is not to say that it has all been corrected, because of the evolution social sophistication. The problem stems from the lack of development in library classification systems.

Solve the problem of a lack of a reliable knowledge classification system, and it solves the subsequent problem of the inadequate social contract theory that we endure.

Why haven't the proponents of "critical thinking," not figured this out, yet?

User avatar
ElectricMonk
Has More Than 5K Posts
Posts: 5230
Joined: Thu Mar 26, 2015 6:21 pm
Custom Title: The Baby-eating Bishop

Re: Critical Thinking, the Problem of Multiple Interpretations, and Mass Murder

Post by ElectricMonk » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:02 pm

Plenty have (see other countries).
But in the US, all branches of Government, including the Supreme Court, are openly political, so critical thinking does not nearly play the role it is supposed to.
Otherwise, we wouldn't have the highest incarceration rates in the entire world.

bobbo_the_Pragmatist
Has No Life
Posts: 19375
Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:39 am
Custom Title: After being pimped comes-----

Re: Critical Thinking, the Problem of Multiple Interpretations, and Mass Murder

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:26 pm

You hit on critical thinking, fudged on multiple interpretations, and didn't address at all Mass Murder. I'll blame lack of critical thinking.
Real Name: bobbo the contrarian existential pragmatic evangelical anti-theist and Class Warrior.
Asking: What is the most good for the most people?
Sample Issue: Should the Feds provide all babies with free diapers?

User avatar
landrew
Has No Life
Posts: 11318
Joined: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:51 am
Location: Fox Meadows

Re: Critical Thinking, the Problem of Multiple Interpretations, and Mass Murder

Post by landrew » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:29 pm

The most obvious fallacy regarding the Constitution is to regard it as an indubitable source of all governmental wisdom, not unlike a fundamentalist literal interpretation of the bible. It was written at a time when slavery was legal, and "democracy" was meant only to include wealthy, white property owners. It was intended as a treaty between the colonies to unite them against the British Empire. Certainly not as the only set of principles to guide a powerful and prosperous nation in the 21st century.
The job of a skeptic is to investigate the unexplained; not to explain the uninvestigated.

bobbo_the_Pragmatist
Has No Life
Posts: 19375
Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:39 am
Custom Title: After being pimped comes-----

Re: Critical Thinking, the Problem of Multiple Interpretations, and Mass Murder

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:36 pm

landrew wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:29 pm
Certainly not as the only set of principles to guide a powerful and prosperous nation in the 21st century.
Of course it is. You can think what you want...........but we are a nation of laws. Founders also thought the const should and would be modified as needed.....
Real Name: bobbo the contrarian existential pragmatic evangelical anti-theist and Class Warrior.
Asking: What is the most good for the most people?
Sample Issue: Should the Feds provide all babies with free diapers?

User avatar
landrew
Has No Life
Posts: 11318
Joined: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:51 am
Location: Fox Meadows

Re: Critical Thinking, the Problem of Multiple Interpretations, and Mass Murder

Post by landrew » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:38 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:36 pm
landrew wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:29 pm
Certainly not as the only set of principles to guide a powerful and prosperous nation in the 21st century.
Of course it is. You can think what you want...........but we are a nation of laws. Founders also thought the const should and would be modified as needed.....
Unsubstantiated nonsense.JPG
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
The job of a skeptic is to investigate the unexplained; not to explain the uninvestigated.

CyberCynic
New Member
Posts: 32
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:35 pm

Re: Critical Thinking, the Problem of Multiple Interpretations, and Mass Murder

Post by CyberCynic » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:46 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:02 pm
Plenty have (see other countries).
I hope I don't bother you so much to direct me to the "other countries," and explain their superior social critical thinking. I see Haiti, and Ethiopia, and Nigeria; and I see, France, and England, and Germany, and China and Russia; and I do not see how they are superior to the United States. What do you know that is not so obvious to the common immigrant seeking refuge in the USA??? :lol:
ElectricMonk wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:02 pm
But in the US, all branches of Government, including the Supreme Court, are openly political, so critical thinking does not nearly play the role it is supposed to.
Otherwise, we wouldn't have the highest incarceration rates in the entire world.
We have the highest incarceration rates, because most countries are unable to provide the opportunity for crime, nor afford to incarcerate suspects and convicts.

Maybe, if the critical thinkers were to provide a system for a better separation of government, then maybe the branches would not be partisan corrupt.

Has it ever occurred to the critical thinkers that the government is not properly divided, and that critical thinker should be able to design a better system???

CyberCynic
New Member
Posts: 32
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:35 pm

Re: Critical Thinking, the Problem of Multiple Interpretations, and Mass Murder

Post by CyberCynic » Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:10 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:36 pm
landrew wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:29 pm
Certainly not as the only set of principles to guide a powerful and prosperous nation in the 21st century.
Of course it is. You can think what you want...........but we are a nation of laws. Founders also thought the const should and would be modified as needed.....
Casual review of any of the contemporary charters that comprise our three-level government system will reveal that the charters are inconsistently organized and contain rambling passages that, consequently, explain why other nations cannot replicate the governing system that we know and trust, and illustrates how our sophist legal practitioners and corporate entities exploit the ambiguous terms and obscure inadequacies.
Corruption is not symptomatic of nefarious persons manipulating an altruistic just governing system; but rather, it is symptomatic of nefarious persons manipulating a perpetually faulty system. Perpetual corruption is ultimately symptomatic of an inadequate separation and coordination of the government responsibilities.

The founders, and subsequent generations, have only had one simple formula to work with, and it is incorrectly described to formulate the "separate branches," because what it inaccurately describes are the three phases for processing law - legislation, security/execution, and judiciary review/appeals, which would then be the “limbs of the branches.” The proper “separate branches” are correctly demarcated by the partitions of civil law.
legislaturecourtsecurity department
Justice CouncilSovereignty LawIntelligence
Security CouncilMartial LawDefense
Senate of JuristsDiplomacy LawState
Board of CommerceCommerce LawCommerce
League of AttorneysTrust LawTrust (Justice)
Network of RepresentativesProperty LawInterior

bobbo_the_Pragmatist
Has No Life
Posts: 19375
Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:39 am
Custom Title: After being pimped comes-----

Re: Critical Thinking, the Problem of Multiple Interpretations, and Mass Murder

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:47 pm

...............and?
Real Name: bobbo the contrarian existential pragmatic evangelical anti-theist and Class Warrior.
Asking: What is the most good for the most people?
Sample Issue: Should the Feds provide all babies with free diapers?

User avatar
Gord
Obnoxious Weed
Posts: 34981
Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:44 am
Custom Title: prostrate spurge
Location: Transcona

Re: Critical Thinking, the Problem of Multiple Interpretations, and Mass Murder

Post by Gord » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:53 am

CyberCynic wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:24 pm
The obvious example is the multiple interpretations of the Constitution that is unwittingly instituted by the accepted descriptions of the Supreme Court justices as being "liberal," or "conservative."
"Knowledge grows through infinite timelessness" -- the random fictional Deepak Chopra quote site
"Imagine an ennobling of what could be" -- the New Age BS Generator site
"You are also taking my words out of context." -- Justin
"Nullius in verba" -- The Royal Society ["take nobody's word for it"]
#ANDAMOVIE
Is Trump in jail yet?

User avatar
Lance Kennedy
Has No Life
Posts: 13199
Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:20 pm
Custom Title: Super Skeptic
Location: Paradise, New Zealand

Re: Critical Thinking, the Problem of Multiple Interpretations, and Mass Murder

Post by Lance Kennedy » Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:41 am

There are lots of reasons why the USA needs to emulate more advanced members of the western world. For example, get rid of that idiotic second amendment, adopt metrics, reduce the per capita murder rate (currently highest in the developed world), become more rational and less religious, reduce the number of lawyers in Congress, reduce political corruption, adopt a decent health system, and so on.

CyberCynic
New Member
Posts: 32
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:35 pm

Re: Critical Thinking, the Problem of Multiple Interpretations, and Mass Murder

Post by CyberCynic » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:17 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:47 pm
...............and?
And, what I want to know is why haven't the esteemed critical thinkers and skeptics not recognized that corruption and the trickle-down effects on society (chaos) are most likely solved by implementing a more adequate division, and subsequent checks and balance system, of the government?

Seems fairly easy to recognize to me - more divisions provides a better (sophisticated) checks and balances to prevent corruption. Something that the previous generations could not possibly organize, because they did not have the information for a more demarcated government, nor the personnel.

Why don't skeptics and critical thinkers recognize the possibility???

CyberCynic
New Member
Posts: 32
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:35 pm

Re: Critical Thinking, the Problem of Multiple Interpretations, and Mass Murder

Post by CyberCynic » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:22 pm

Lance Kennedy wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:41 am
There are lots of reasons why the USA needs to emulate more advanced members of the western world. For example, get rid of that idiotic second amendment, adopt metrics, reduce the per capita murder rate (currently highest in the developed world), become more rational and less religious, reduce the number of lawyers in Congress, reduce political corruption, adopt a decent health system, and so on.
What metrics are you using to determine that other nations are more developed?

Why do you want to make laws that restrict access to technology, when your other goal is to make people more rational???

How are we going to do that, if we do not have a proposal for reorganizing the government???

User avatar
Lance Kennedy
Has No Life
Posts: 13199
Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:20 pm
Custom Title: Super Skeptic
Location: Paradise, New Zealand

Re: Critical Thinking, the Problem of Multiple Interpretations, and Mass Murder

Post by Lance Kennedy » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:43 pm

Whaaa?

I did not say any of that.