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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:10 pm

I agree it "can" be that.....but lots of other things too. I can't think of any THING that means only one thing. Whats missing in a lot of the presumptions is the context in which the same act takes place. Offering a drink to a woman at noon at a family picnic or at midnight at a meat market pick up jive....two wholly different things.
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Post by Aztexan » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:13 pm

Until you get in touch with your feminine side, don't hate on me, ya buncha dominant male monkey {!#%@}! :P
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Post by Poodle » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:22 pm

So many rules and regulations!
I don't think I'm abnormal in any way, but never once have I sidled up to a woman I've never met before in my life and offered to buy her a drink. I wouldn't do it to a man either. The reason is the same in both cases. On the other hand, if I've been talking to someone for a while and my glass is empty, I'm going to buy another drink and common courtesy would then prod me into offering a drink to whomsoever I was talking to. Most women I know are not casual pushovers and most men I know are not gonads on legs - so I'm no expert on transactional booze baiting - so what I want to know is ... when did this (apparently) become the norm?

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:47 pm

I can honestly say I've never pressured a woman. Probably missed some fun, but when I woke the next I didn't feel like a heel.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:13 pm

Well, its clear to me that some men hang out in bars, and others hang out in forums. Apparently....very little overlap across a wide number of characteristics........... :shock:
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:21 pm

I met three of my wives after I got on the Internet. I never spent much time in bars.
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Post by TJrandom » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:58 am

Poodle wrote:So many rules and regulations!
I don't think I'm abnormal in any way, but never once have I sidled up to a woman I've never met before in my life and offered to buy her a drink. I wouldn't do it to a man either. The reason is the same in both cases. On the other hand, if I've been talking to someone for a while and my glass is empty, I'm going to buy another drink and common courtesy would then prod me into offering a drink to whomsoever I was talking to. Most women I know are not casual pushovers and most men I know are not gonads on legs - so I'm no expert on transactional booze baiting - so what I want to know is ... when did this (apparently) become the norm?
Never was a norm for me, but then I don`t frequent pick-up bars.

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Post by ElectricMonk » Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:41 am

Accepting a drink is nothing more or less than an acknowledgment that having social interaction wouldn't be a violation of norms.
It doesn't create any obligation, not even of courtesy.

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Post by TJrandom » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:25 pm

I dunno... It sure seems there is a lot of ownership going on…Watch the sunrise on a tropic isle… See the pyramids along the Nile… Just remember darlin', all the while… You belong to me … Just remember when a dream appears… You belong to me … Just remember 'til you're home again… You belong to me… You belong to me. Or at least the King of Cool thought so.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:55 pm

TJrandom wrote:I dunno... It sure seems there is a lot of ownership going on…Watch the sunrise on a tropic isle… See the pyramids along the Nile… Just remember darlin', all the while… You belong to me … Just remember when a dream appears… You belong to me … Just remember 'til you're home again… You belong to me… You belong to me. Or at least the King of Cool thought so.
Works both ways. "That's my man!" Andy Capp's wife used to beat up bar flozzies that were getting too chummy with Andy. And so on.
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Post by Cadmusteeth » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:10 pm

Poodle wrote:I seem to have led a very sheltered life.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:45 pm

I woke up remembering that I have NEVER introduced myself by buying a drink for anyone. What I've done is been in conversation with someone and it was time to refresh or to order. Buying someone a drink strikes me as something cheesy you mostly see in movies to show that some guys are jerks or that the targeted women have standards when they refuse the offer or are looking for action when they accept. ie: a trope.

and that reminded me of the one of two times a lady offered to buy me a drink....just like in the movies with the role reversal. A second class hotel bar before midnight. I was an obvious tourist, she was very French with a wonderful voice and accent and a bit of a language barrier. I still think she was a professional waiting for me to make the offer....but I declined to do so, so we just had a nice conversation for about 10 minutes. She said she was waiting for a friend, sex of friend not identified, and I said I had stopped just for a quick nightcap. I dunno....sex with strangers....a bit meaningless, but so is tennis.
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Post by Austin Harper » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:49 pm

I have bought drinks for people and had drinks bought for me, but like bobo, it was never the opening interaction. Like Poodle said, we're both usually already both having a drink and when it runs out, either I've offered to get them another or they've offered to get me one.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:21 pm

Austin Harper wrote:I have bought drinks for people and had drinks bought for me, but like bobo, it was never the opening interaction. Like Poodle said, we're both usually already both having a drink and when it runs out, either I've offered to get them another or they've offered to get me one.
For instance, in a Flying Saucer. :P
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Post by Io » Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:18 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Aztexan wrote:I didn't mean every single swinging dick.
Thats not what you said. Sweeping generalizations don't allow for single swinging dicks.
If you've got enough room to sweep a generalisation you've got enough room to swing a dick. No dick is as big as a generalisation.
There, stick that on a T-shirt.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:46 pm

And then, days later, it was found that no single dick was long enough to make a swing.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:18 am

Io wrote:
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Aztexan wrote:I didn't mean every single swinging dick.
Thats not what you said. Sweeping generalizations don't allow for single swinging dicks.
If you've got enough room to sweep a generalisation you've got enough room to swing a dick. No dick is as big as a generalisation.
There, stick that on a T-shirt.
My tshirt says: "Im with stupid."

So...we have the dimension correct. Now all you have to recognize is that a sweeping generalization takes up ALL THE ROOM. So...you are right only in the sense that you can have a sweeping generalization OR you can have a swinging dick: but you can't have both. choices.

Life is like that.
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Post by Io » Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:34 am

Indeed. As the ancient Chinese proverb says "Man with dick out must come to point".

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Post by gorgeous » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:10 pm

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Post by Lance Kennedy » Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:39 pm

It does not matter if a person is president. Rape is always wrong. However, there is a common problem. Proving rape.

Often the law enforcers are faced with a simple " he says, she says " conundrum. If a man is accused of rape (or any sexual misbehaviour) and the only evidence is a statement by a woman, who may or may not be truthful, how do you proceed ? This is especially true if the man is a celebrity, who will attract all kinds of people wanting to help or harm him.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:09 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:
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Rape is always wrong.
Not always. And worse would be a total lack of imagination. Can you agree all violent non-consensual rape is wrong? ………..and then I still imagine the "poetic justice" of those not unheard of female accomplices that help their males rape young kiddies and so forth. You know....poetry? Just results. The Karmic wheel rolling over you? We live in a meaningless universe...….or more descriptively an existential one where NOTHING has meaning except that which we give it.

On a similar issue....I saw a news clip the other night of some short woman windmilling her fists/hands against the face and shoulders of some young dude and he just kept backing away and not defending himself. don't know if she was Mom or ex-girlfriend or what.....but...some women deserve the same aggression they dish out. Otherwise, there is a disturbance in the Force.
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Post by Lance Kennedy » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:21 pm

Bobo

There are many options for dealing with those who transgress. But not by raping them.

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Post by ElectricMonk » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:30 pm

It's hard not to enjoy the thought of certain people in positions of power being thrown over a barrel and made to feel the way they made others feel.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:21 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:21 pm
Bobo

There are many options for dealing with those who transgress. But not by raping them.
How dark is that void of humor and imagination?..........You know: give me the numbers: How many lumens?
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Post by Lance Kennedy » Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:25 pm

The numbers show that those who are treated violently, including being sexually molested, are more likely to do the same to others. Statistics are numbers.

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Lance Kennedy wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:25 pm
The numbers show that those who are treated violently, including being sexually molested, are more likely to do the same to others. Statistics are numbers.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:05 am

While completely unresponsive to the presented issue/question, I have to comment that I have thought about the NEW issue you raise: what to do with our life experiences? Its an existential universe we live in, ultimately, we all make our own choices. I was a child of an abusive father. I expressly and consciously recognized his behavior as abuse and vowed not to act the same. Others, evidently the majority.....or would it be only the majority of those who make the news?...…….chose to use this experience "partly" as an excuse or justification.

……..……...hooman behavior...…….its never just one thing.
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