Spooky Shroud of Turin papers

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Spooky Shroud of Turin papers

Postby bluebottle » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:05 pm

While perusing another forum I came across some peer-reviewed papers which 'point towards' the Shroud of Turin's authenticity and even some alleged supernatural qualities. I'm not scientifically literate and hence can't really assess the papers myself.
(Ignore the suspiciously titled links to sites such as 'shroud.com' - these are mostly just links to sites where the papers have been hosted for the benefit of the public)

http://www.shroud.it/ROGERS-3.PDF
^ This paper is important as it refutes the 1988 C-14 tests which dated the shroud back to the 13th Century.

http://shroud.typepad.com/topics/2005/1 ... errev.html
^ A collection of peer-reviewed papers which allegedly support its 'authenticity'. Sadly you can't view the papers themselves here, but the titles and journals are all included therein if somebody is able to chase them up.

http://www.shroud.com/bucklin.htm
http://www.shroud.com/pdfs/marineli.pdf
^ These ones refute the traditional skeptic argument that the image on the shroud is wrong from an anatomical perspective (not peer-reviewed but worth a mention)

I also found these papers:
http://opac.bologna.enea.it:8991/RT/201 ... 6_ENEA.pdf
http://www.shroud.com/pdfs/accett2.pdf
http://shroud.com/pdfs/whanger.pdf
Only the first seems to be peer-reviewed but they all talk about the 'supernatural' aspects (the shroud containing nuclear imaging, being replicated using laser coloration and other crazy stuff :shock: )

Would appreciate your thoughts on the matter. My woo detector is somewhat untrained so I figured this would be best left to you guys.

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Re: Spooky Shroud of Turin papers

Postby scrmbldggs » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:01 am

Don't know much about it, but this thread was started recently.
Hi, Io the lurker.

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Re: Spooky Shroud of Turin papers

Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:28 am

bluebottle wrote: I came across some peer-reviewed papers which 'point towards' the Shroud of Turin's authenticity


http://www.shroud.it/ROGERS-3.PDF
Mr Rogers claims the sample used to test the date was not part of the rest of the cloth. As a skeptic on JREF points out the sample was destroyed in a fire before Mr Rogers claimed to have tested it. ( Debunked)

http://www.shroud.com/pdfs/marineli.pdf
This paper is hilarious. It totally ignores the 3D plane problem with the cloth but "proves" the person painted on the shroud had a "Semitic nose" and is therefore Jesus. (debunked)

Christians are not above lying and cheating and issuing "pseudo scientific" papers to trick naive people. If you looked at the papers "origins" you would have become aware that there is no "Department of Mechanical Engineering" at Padova University, from which the paper supposedly came.
http://www.unipd.it/international-area/node/80

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Re: Spooky Shroud of Turin papers

Postby bluebottle » Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:08 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:Don't know much about it, but this thread was started recently.


Yeah I don't really buy the 3D thing. The links in that thread carefully cropped the scorch marks out of the scorch marks out of the 'scans'. No points for guessing why.


Matthew Ellard wrote:
bluebottle wrote: I came across some peer-reviewed papers which 'point towards' the Shroud of Turin's authenticity


http://www.shroud.it/ROGERS-3.PDF
Mr Rogers claims the sample used to test the date was not part of the rest of the cloth. As a skeptic on JREF points out the sample was destroyed in a fire before Mr Rogers claimed to have tested it. ( Debunked)

http://www.shroud.com/pdfs/marineli.pdf
This paper is hilarious. It totally ignores the 3D plane problem with the cloth but "proves" the person painted on the shroud had a "Semitic nose" and is therefore Jesus. (debunked)

Christians are not above lying and cheating and issuing "pseudo scientific" papers to trick naive people. If you looked at the papers "origins" you would have become aware that there is no "Department of Mechanical Engineering" at Padova University, from which the paper supposedly came.
http://www.unipd.it/international-area/node/80


Haha, I see, I feel a little silly now. Could you link me to the JREF refutation if possible? Thanks

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Re: Spooky Shroud of Turin papers

Postby Matthew Ellard » Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:03 am

bluebottle wrote: Haha, I see, I feel a little silly now. Could you link me to the JREF refutation if possible? Thanks


Here is the link. I warn you though, it is one of those very very long threads.
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php? ... rin+shroud

The main supporter for an authentic biblical Turin shroud is "Jabba". Generally everyone else is arguing against him. The advantage of this thread is that "human ego" has inspired members to do some very deep research and supply supporting citations.

I take the view the shroud was just another medieval manufactured relic made during the period when relics were being made and fake histories added. The modern scientific evidence is just further hard evidence to support this view.

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Re: Spooky Shroud of Turin papers

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:46 am

The shroud of an non-existent person can be verified as being authentic by rubbing a unicorn horn over it.

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