Reverend George Rodonaia NDE

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Reverend George Rodonaia NDE

Post #1  Postby Shen1986 » Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:03 pm

I am having problems to find any skeptical information about this guy therefore I am posting this here:

Reverend George Rodonaia (died October 12, 2004) underwent one of the most extended cases of a near-death experience ever recorded. Pronounced dead immediately after he was hit by a car in 1976, he was left for three days in the morgue. He did not "return to life" until a doctor began to make an incision in his abdomen as part of an autopsy procedure. Prior to his NDE he worked as a neuropathologist. He was also an avowed atheist. Yet after the experience, he devoted himself exclusively to the study of spirituality, taking a second doctorate in the psychology of religion. He then became an ordained priest in the Eastern Orthodox Church. He served as a pastor at St. Paul United Methodist Church in Baytown, Texas. Reverend Rodonaia is one of the NDE experiencers profiled on this page who was dead for days during his NDE.


Taken from: http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence10.html

If someone knows any skeptical informations about this guy or how to debunk his story please let me know. I will also take a look at it.

Edit:

Ok I am going to have a look at this:

He claimed he was dead for three days:

"So there I was, flooded with all these good things and this wonderful experience, when someone begins to cut into my stomach. Can you imagine? What had happened was that I was taken to the morgue. I was pronounced dead and left there for three days. An investigation into the cause of my death was set up, so they sent someone out to do an autopsy on me. As they began to cut into my stomach, I felt as though some great power took hold of my neck and pushed me down. And it was so powerful that I opened my eyes and had this huge sense of pain. My body was cold and I began to shiver. They immediately stopped the autopsy and took me to the hospital, where I remained for the following nine months, most of which I spent under a respirator.


Taken from: http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence10.html

Three days he was dead hmm. This is strange but maybe the Lazarus syndrome is at work here:

A 37-year old man in Bellbrook, Ohio, USA coded for 45 minutes and was pronounced dead in the early morning hours of Aug 5, 2013. Several minutes later his heart started after his son, Lawerence, saw him laying on the table and said "Dad, you're not going to die today.


Taken from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazarus_syndrome

Like this guy who was dead for some minutes but he did not report any NDE:

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=21168

Also there is a problem according to some links he was marked by the KGB to be killed:

George Rodonaia's NDE after being killed by the KGB and lying dead for 3 days.


Taken from: www.oddee.com/item_98610.aspx

Therefore it is logical that the KGB pronounced him dead after he was hit by a car:

Pronounced dead immediately after he was hit by a car in 1976, he was left for three days in the morgue.


Taken from: http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence10.html

Wth this he even goes against his own religious upbringing:

"Many people have asked me what I believe in, how my NDE changed my life. All I can say is that I now believe in the God of the universe. Unlike many other people, however, I have never called God the light, because God is beyond our comprehension. God, I believe, is even more than the light, because God is also darkness. God is everything that exists, everything - and that is beyond our ability to comprehend at all. So I don't believe in the God of the Jews, or the Christians, or the Hindus, or in any one religion's idea of what God is or is not. It is all the same God, and that God showed me that the universe in which we live is a beautiful and marvelous mystery that is connected together forever and for always.


Because he was member of two churches:

Then I became a priest in the Eastern Orthodox Church. Eventually, in 1989, we came to America, and I am now working as an associate pastor at the First United Methodist Church in Nederland, Texas.


Both quotes from: http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence10.html

Now lets look on his verified OBE:



"While there in this disembodied state, Yuri discovered something:

"l could talk to the baby. It was amazing. I could not talk to the parents - my friends - but I could talk to the little boy who had just been born. I asked him what was wrong. No words were exchanged, but I asked him maybe through telepathy what was wrong. He told me that his arm hurt. And when he told me that, I was able to see that the bone was twisted and broken."

"The baby had a greenstick fracture, a break in the bone in his arm probably cause by having been twisted during childbirth. Now Yuri and the baby knew what was wrong, but neither had the ability to communicate the problem to the parents.


"Yuri told his family about being "dead." No one believed him until he began to provide details about what he saw during his travels out of body. Then they became less skeptical. His diagnosis on the baby next door did the trick. He told of visiting them that night and of their concern over their new child. He told them that he had talked to the baby and discovered that he had a greenstick fracture of his arm. The parents took the child to a doctor and he x-rayed the arm only to discover that Yuri's very long-distance diagnosis was right."


Both quotes taken from: http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence10.html

Its strange he could just talk to the baby but not to his friends. Also another strange thing is that it contradicts this NDE:

Over the next few days, I was able to speak to her and was brought up to date on all that had happened.  A strongly surreal moment for me was when she said, "I saw you lying down on your bed, and I called to you." I exclaimed, "Oh my God, I heard you call! How can that be? You were 20 miles away!"


Taken from: http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experien ... ob_nde.htm

Also another problem is that he knew about the child beforehand and when he woke up he could deduce this whole scenario why the child had a broken arm:

Dr. Morse refers to George by his Russian name "Yuri". The following is an excerpt of Transformed by the Light which describes George's observation of an infant while George is out of his body.

"[During Yuri's NDE, he] could go visit his family. He saw his grieving wife and their two sons, both too small to understand that their father had been killed.

"Then he visited his next-door neighbor. They had a new child, born a couple of days before Yuri's "death." Yuri could tell that they were upset by what happened to him. But they were especially distressed by the fact that their child would not stop crying.

"No matter what they did he continued to cry. When he slept it was short and fitful and then he would awaken, crying again. They had taken him back to the doctors but they were stumped. All the usual things such as colic were ruled out and they sent them home hoping the baby would eventually settle down.


Taken from: http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence10.html

He could deduce it because he was quite intelligent:

Rev. George Rodonaia held an M.D. and a Ph.D. in neuropathology, and a Ph.D. in the psychology of religion. He delivered a keynote address to the United Nations on the "Emerging Global Spirituality." Before emigrating to the United States from the Soviet Union in 1989, he worked as a research psychiatrist at the University of Moscow.


Taken from: http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence10.html

Also here we see that he was assassinated by the KGB therefore it is no wonder they declared him dead as soon as possible:

George was a vocal Soviet dissident during the time when such a stance could get you killed. And that is exactly what happened - he was assassinated by the KGB. Because his case was highly political, an autopsy had to be performed. His corpse was stored in a freezer vault for three days until then. He revived on the autopsy table as he was being split open by the doctors, one of which was his own uncle.


Taken from: http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence10.html

Also he was put into a freezer. This saved his cells that they would not die off. This is why we freeze people - more you can see here:

A 17-year-old man got lost on the first of January, after a New Year's Eve party in the foothills of the Alps. After a search of four hours, he was found unconscious with fixed pupils, a Glasgow Coma Scale of three points, and a body temperature below 20° Celsius. There were no signs for traumatic injuries. Initial electrocardiogram (ECG) showed no heart activity. Basic life support was begun by the mountain rescue service and continued by the medical helicopter team. The patient was transferred under continuous cardiac massage, airway management with intubation and intravenous line via external jugular vein by helicopter to the nearest hospital for analysis of serum potassium. Body temperature was 17°C measured by urinary bladder electronic thermometer. The serum potassium was 7.55 mmol/L, therefore the patient was transferred by helicopter to the next cardiovascular center for rewarming with extracorporal circulation (ECC). Under the rewarming process with ECC, the heart activity restarted at 25°C with external defibrillation. The patient was rewarmed to 37.2°C after four hours of ECC. Cerebral CT scans after 24 h and 48 h revealed no significant hypoxia and after extubation the early rehabilitation process started. After six weeks, the patient regained the ability to walk and started to communicate on a basic level.


Taken from: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21190505

Also his reviving was not so powerful like it sounds. Here is the the counter evidence for this:

"Eventually the doctor from Moscow came to perform the autopsy on Yuri. When they moved his body from the cabinet to a gurney, his eyes flickered. The doctor became suspicious and examined his eyes. When they responded to light, he was immediately wheeled to emergency surgery and saved.


Taken from: http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence10.html

And here:

My body was cold and I began to shiver. They immediately stopped the autopsy and took me to the hospital, where I remained for the following nine months, most of which I spent under a respirator.


Taken from: http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence10.html

Also on JREF they also discussed this:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=36372

So my final thoughts about this is:

Its all baloney. He was saved thanks to the temperature and the failure of doctors to rush it so he would be dead because he was assassinated by the KGB. Also it is very strange that if he was assassinated by the KGB according to his words why didn't the KGB killed him in the hospital where he was those nine months or why did they allowed him to emigrate in the first place. Heck if I was on the list of KGB in Russia I would not be able to emigrate in the first place. The whole story stinks.. Also other people who were dead for longer hours did not report a NDE like the man from Ohio: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=21168

Now I am going to look on other NDEs on the site:

I will have a look on Emanuel Tuwagirairmana on a different thread if I will have the time for it..

The other NDE testimony is about a Russan man who was frozen solid for 22 days in a state of suspended animation resulting from an attempted murder and burial. The story was printed in the January 1999 online edition of the  Russian newspaper Pravda. This remarkable event involved the man being revived after 22 days of being buried under the snow. The article is entitled, "Man Revives 22 Days After Being Killed and Buried"


Taken from: http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence10.html

Now ti the article Man Revives 22 Days After Being Killed and Buried is one problem and that its from Pravda.ru and Pravda has a bad reputation:

Pravda.ru is a Russian online tabloid not ashamed to feature woo, denialism, and various conspiracy theories. It also covers "normal" news, but often with a heavy Russian nationalist slant. Pravda means "truth" in Russian, something you probably won't get by surfing on it.


Taken from: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pravda.ru

Here are some examples:

The Moon landings are a hoax.
Global warming is a hoax.
HIV is a hoax.[2]
Evolution is a hoax.[3][4]
Russia created two HIV vaccines in 2004[5], and one more in 2006 from genetically modified tomatoes.[6]
An alien base was filmed on the Moon.[7]
Support for Russian scientists who claim that the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is actually a time machine.[8]
That the FBI and CIA are fighting over access to a parallel world which allows time travel and therefore modification of our world.[9]
America is ready to attack Russia.
Nostradamus foresaw World War III in 2010.[10]
Atlantis was discovered under Antarctica.
Human and alien skulls were discovered on Mars.[11]
Fishermen caught and ate an alien.[12]
A young boy called Boris Kipriyanovich is an indigo child and the reincarnation of a Martian.[13]


Taken from: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pravda.ru

So therefore its bad media and not a miracle here..
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