Possession

[Rosemary Campbell]

As to the massive killings in Rowanda and other areas, knowing what I know I ask how did those souls feel when they got to the Afterlife?
 Did the Spirits of the Dead arriving in the Afterlife, angry look back on Earth and did they decide to return to Earth and take over the bodies of the warlords and others and try to seek vengance for what they had done to them to destroy their bodies?
 Did the Spirits of the Dead become Walk-In's and or possessing Spirits?

[snooziums]

As to the massive killings in Rowanda and other areas, knowing what I know I ask how did those souls feel when they got to the Afterlife?

How is this relevant?  It is too late when they reach the "afterlife."  And did they answer?

Did the Spirits of the Dead arriving in the Afterlife, angry look back on Earth and did they decide to return to Earth and take over the bodies of the warlords and others and try to seek vengance for what they had done to them to destroy their bodies? Did the Spirits of the Dead become Walk-In's and or possessing Spirits?

If they have no memories (since their mind is gone), why would they even care?  If this "afterlife" is so good, what happened in their life would be insignificant.

And how would they "posses" the bodies of others?  From what I have heard, a "spirit" cannot posses a living person's body unless that person allows it.

If I ever find myself in this "afterlife," I can think of much better things to do then seek revenge on those still living.  Heck, I would not even look back on this world.

But enough about that.  I still do not see how any of that is relevant to the topic.  Maybe I am missing some connection?

[Rosemary Campbell]

As to the massive killings in Rowanda and other areas, knowing what I know I ask how did those souls feel when they got to the Afterlife?

How is this relevant?  It is too late when they reach the "afterlife."  And did they answer?

Did the Spirits of the Dead arriving in the Afterlife, angry look back on Earth and did they decide to return to Earth and take over the bodies of the warlords and others and try to seek vengance for what they had done to them to destroy their bodies? Did the Spirits of the Dead become Walk-In's and or possessing Spirits?

If they have no memories (since their mind is gone), why would they even care?  If this "afterlife" is so good, what happened in their life would be insignificant.

And how would they "posses" the bodies of others?  From what I have heard, a "spirit" cannot posses a living person's body unless that person allows it.

If I ever find myself in this "afterlife," I can think of much better things to do then seek revenge on those still living.  Heck, I would not even look back on this world.

But enough about that.  I still do not see how any of that is relevant to the topic.  Maybe I am missing some connection?

 When a Spirit leaves the dead body on Earth whether it died from Violence or old age or an accident it takes with it all its intelligence, memories and feelings with it to the after life and the mood it arrives in is based on how it left the earth plane.

 The Intelligence, and memories and feelings are in the Spirit and the body and brain are a casing to hold the Spirit While it lives here on Earth.

 I am trying to use the things I know to take a more scientific view of the information I have gathered hoping it will lead to a better understanding of all these things, Creation, Evolution, and many secrets that we don't at this time know but do want to know.

 You are wrong when you say a Spirit cannot possess a living body, because that is not true, but I do say I have only heard about a few possessions and I know from first hand experience that its possible, but I also know there is much more to what I am learning from those beyond the Veil of Death than the personal things that have happened to me but on the other hand all of these things good and bad that I have learned from the after life and about the after life are part of a teaching and learning experience.

 I don't have all the answers as to what goes on beyond earth and so for this reason I am only writing about my own experiences.

 Each person as they pass over at some point in time will have to learn what awaits them personally and hopefully they will want to communicate that information back to earth so that more and more people who are interested in learning these things not only from a religious stand but also for Scientific Reasons.

 I personally know that Athiests go to the Spirit World after Death and it doesn't matter what they believed when they walked the Earth.

 I used to be horrified at the word athiests and someone who didn't believe that God and life after Earth Existed but that no longer affects me because I know now that Athiests can be good people who have no proof yet of anything that exists beyond Earth.

 Now that I know what I know I find myself saying but where is Heaven?
 When Astronauts go upward do they scan the Universe and ask themselves where is Heaven?

 I will say that once I asked and a Large Spirit appeared and told me that Heaven is located on another Planet.

 Which Planet and how am I going to find it I don't know but I do know one day when I die I am going to try to find more answers and now I am talking to realtives and others and see if I can set up a group much like Houdini talked about when he said if there is anyway for him to communicate back to Earth he will.

 My plan with those I know is to set up like minds who agree that whomever dies first will try to communicate back to them and continue to  tell the World what we find there.

[Pyrrho]

As to the massive killings in Rowanda and other areas, knowing what I know I ask how did those souls feel when they got to the Afterlife?

How is this relevant?  It is too late when they reach the "afterlife."  And did they answer?

Did the Spirits of the Dead arriving in the Afterlife, angry look back on Earth and did they decide to return to Earth and take over the bodies of the warlords and others and try to seek vengance for what they had done to them to destroy their bodies? Did the Spirits of the Dead become Walk-In's and or possessing Spirits?

If they have no memories (since their mind is gone), why would they even care?  If this "afterlife" is so good, what happened in their life would be insignificant.

And how would they "posses" the bodies of others?  From what I have heard, a "spirit" cannot posses a living person's body unless that person allows it.

If I ever find myself in this "afterlife," I can think of much better things to do then seek revenge on those still living.  Heck, I would not even look back on this world.

But enough about that.  I still do not see how any of that is relevant to the topic.  Maybe I am missing some connection?

It wasn't relevant, and I've taken the liberty of splitting it off to this topic. This isn't to say that "irrelevant" posts will be routinely split, because topics do drift, but in this case the divergence was such that a split seemed appropriate.

[snooziums]

It wasn't relevant, and I've taken the liberty of splitting it off to this topic. This isn't to say that "irrelevant" posts will be routinely split, because topics do drift, but in this case the divergence was such that a split seemed appropriate.

Thank you.

Well, since this seems to be a conversation between two members thus far, with me being one of those members.  So I guess I should reply then.

When a Spirit leaves the dead body on Earth whether it died from Violence or old age or an accident it takes with it all its intelligence, memories and feelings with it to the after life and the mood it arrives in is based on how it left the earth plane.

However, even if some memories are retained, they are rather meaningless, since they are on a different "level."  And personally, I have a lot of thoughts and memories that I would NOT want to have forever.

The Intelligence, and memories and feelings are in the Spirit and the body and brain are a casing to hold the Spirit While it lives here on Earth.

Are we referring to the "soul" here?  It does not have independent thought or memories, it cannot or else it would live the same life over and over again.  And besides, thoughts and memories only have meaning here.

Each person as they pass over at some point in time will have to learn what awaits them personally and hopefully they will want to communicate that information back to earth so that more and more people who are interested in learning these things not only from a religious stand but also for Scientific Reasons.

But why?  Is the point of life here to experience life, not to just be a "vacation" from other existence?  If life is a game, it does not make since to know what the end result is before playing.  Life here is to be lived, not to wait for some "future" existence.

I personally know that Athiests go to the Spirit World after Death and it doesn't matter what they believed when they walked the Earth.

You are confusing atheists with skeptics that do not believe in any "god."  A "god" is not required for any kind of "afterlife."

I used to be horrified at the word athiests and someone who didn't believe that God and life after Earth Existed but that no longer affects me because I know now that Athiests can be good people who have no proof yet of anything that exists beyond Earth.

Again, same confusion.  Please use the term atheist in its correct meaning.

I will say that once I asked and a Large Spirit appeared and told me that Heaven is located on another Planet.

This makes no sense at all.  Why would non-physical entities even need a planet?  They would not be affected by gravity or such, so why bother?  And why just one place?

This is the first time I have heard that "heaven" is on some other planet.  And I have friends that are "in tune" with spiritual aspects.

Which Planet and how am I going to find it I don't know but I do know one day when I die...

Strange, you say you do not know, yet how can one explain the "afterlife" if one does not even know where it is?

My plan with those I know is to set up like minds who agree that whomever dies first will try to communicate back to them and continue to  tell the World what we find there.

Wow, just wow.  How many are in this circle?  Seems like a lot of stress for finding out what is on the other side.

Life is for living, not for some "afterlife."  Maybe knowing that there was some afterlife would be helpful, but it should not distract from life itself.  On the "other side," those there cannot really help in improving the aspects of the world we are on.


Personally, I believe in the soul, and in reincarnation.  However, that is the extent of it.  I do not believe in psychic abilities (telling the future), changing matter, or a lot of the other "new age" ideas.  However, being a skeptic, I am willing to hear arguments for any theory, and I will not pass anything as "truth."

Well, that is all I can say for right now.  Thanks for listening.

[Rosemary Campbell]

I am telling you what I have been told by those I communicate with in the after life.

 What I have learned from them is when we are on Earth we do live that life and go through education and careers and have no memories of being in the Spirit World in another lifetime, but as we know some talents are carried on from one lifetime to another and sometimes during psychoanalysis and exploration into other possible lifetimes people do feel they have been there before and lived others lives in the past.

  I only know what Spirits I communicate with tell me and some are very unhappy about being murdered and they are anxious to tell us on earth what happened so that in many cases the killers can be apprehended and dealt with.

 Its also hoped that if killers here on earth know the Spirit of the dead is alive in the After life and tell authorities who did it or seek vengance on them that they will think twice before they kill another to shut their mouth or for whatever reason.
 But put the vengance angle aside for a moment and just suppose you are a great scientist on the cusp of a discovery that is so important to you that you want to make that discovery and share it with the world and just at the time you are ready to solve that problem you drop dead of a heart attack or die due to an accident you can see when that person arrives in Spirit and realizes he is alive and can communciate back to earth and give someone this information if he can only get someone to believe he is alive.

 But as he looks back and tries to communicate and cause people to believe he finds they are all skeptics and he can't hope to reach them then what does he do?

 Will some of you be that man that no one will listen to from the Spirit World?

 And How will you feel?

[snooziums]

...but as we know some talents are carried on from one lifetime to another and sometimes during psychoanalysis and exploration into other possible lifetimes people do feel they have been there before and lived others lives in the past.

Talents are not quite visual memories.  Emotions are not memories.

I only know what Spirits I communicate with tell me and some are very unhappy about being murdered and they are anxious to tell us on earth what happened so that in many cases the killers can be apprehended and dealt with.

Why would hey be concerned?  Their killers will pass away someday as well.  If there is an afterlife, I would think that there would be some method of balancing out, but then again, what do I know.

Its also hoped that if killers here on earth know the Spirit of the dead is alive in the After life and tell authorities who did it or seek vengance on them that they will think twice before they kill another to shut their mouth or for whatever reason.

What is with this "vengeance" idea?  Revenue is a worldly concept.  What about forgiveness?

But put the vengance angle aside for a moment and just suppose you are a great scientist on the cusp of a discovery that is so important to you that you want to make that discovery and share it with the world and just at the time you are ready to solve that problem you drop dead of a heart attack or die due to an accident you can see when that person arrives in Spirit and realizes he is alive and can communciate back to earth and give someone this information if he can only get someone to believe he is alive.

Then they could apply that to what ever place they are in now.  And besides, how can you say that this can only happen through "communicating" directly.  Maybe some other scientist will receive some "insight" to the situation, and maybe that is all that was needed for relaying the idea.  Hard to tell.

But as he looks back and tries to communicate and cause people to believe he finds they are all skeptics and he can't hope to reach them then what does he do?

I seriously doubt that the entire world will just automatically believe one thing.  That is never going to happen, so if they wanted to, they could find at least someone out of over six billion people.

Will some of you be that man that no one will listen to from the Spirit World?  And How will you feel?

Cannot say, since none of us truly knows what to expect after life.

However, I am usually not listened to here, so I suppose I would not feel that much different.

[Rosemary Campbell]

Spirits can get into scientists and others thoughts and put ideas in there both good and bad ideas and this happens all the time, but Spirits also want to convince those on earth to believe they are alive in the after life where we all go one day, and can come back and communicate good helpful ideas and also try to right wrongs in some cases where warranted.

[St. Jimmy]

I'm afraid Rosemary Campbell will always be right.
Just like astrologers.
And Tarot-readers.
And Freud.

What do they have in common? The fact that they will always be right. Which is precisely what's wrong with them.

[izittrue]

how can anything be wrong if they are always right...?

insert your choice of emocticon here..

[St. Jimmy]

No, their always being right is not wrong (as you rightly pointed out, that wold be self-contradictory).
But the problem (aka "what's wrong") is that they're always right, and will never be wrong.
No matter how much evidence might be presented against a given prediction, there will always be a tiny bit of room left for a woo-woo explanation. This room will get smaller and smaller, but never quite vanish, because no prediction can ever be fully disproved. It always might turn out to be, in a way, true someday. So they will never be wrong, and that's what's wrong with them.

(In other words if something is unfalsiable it will never be wrong, but unfalsifiable ideas are unscientific.)

[izittrue]

st jimmy, that was just humor..
i have run into many humans that are always right...or so they think in their head...
yep that is correct, they will never be wrong..and that is wrong...

[Chachacha]

how can anything be wrong if they are always right...?

insert your choice of emoticon here..

Oh man... at first I thought this one  because it's my favorite.  But then I thought, no I really like this one the best    .  And then I thought of three others that would actually be better, but they aren't from this site and I don't know how to get them from another site. And ... and .... and .... it was just all too much for me, Izit, please don't ask me to do that again. I can't deal with the openendedness of it - give me some parimeters, some structure, give me something!!!  

I feel like "Tweek" from South Park.

[izittrue]

chachacha you are now banned from using emoticons...
now i am thinking of what i can ask you..hmm
let me get back to you on that one...

[Chachacha]

chachacha you are now banned from using emoticons...
now i am thinking of what i can ask you..hmm
let me get back to you on that one...

"Banned from using emoticons" ... ahhhhh, structure  .. structure like when I wrap myself up real tight with plastic wrap and then get in a sleeping bag and roll that real tight around me and then I'm safe.  Thank you.

[izittrue]

can u breathe when your are wrapped that tight?
i guess breathing is optional though when you are safe...

[Paul Anthony]

I'm afraid Rosemary Campbell will always be right.
Just like astrologers.
And Tarot-readers.
And Freud.

What do they have in common? The fact that they will always be right. Which is precisely what's wrong with them.

People who say "always" and "never" are usually wrong, at least part of the time.

[Mordread]

how can anything be wrong if they are always right...?

insert your choice of emocticon here..

Oh...No...Open...ended emoti...con...invi.. .tatiiiiiiiooooon....                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    

See what you did Izit!?!??!??!?!?!??!!?!?

[izittrue]

See what you did Izit!?!??!??!?!?!??!!?!?

yes i see now that i have powers i didnt even realize..
emoticons from beyond...

[Chachacha]

ROFL

Thanks, Mordread.  It's good to know it's not just me!  LOL

[Mordread]

ROFL

Thanks, Mordread.  It's good to know it's not just me!  LOL

I rarely turn down an opportunity to be a smartass.