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Re: Where is your evidence? A challenge to produce evidence.

Post by Darren Wilshak » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:17 pm

Which one of these trolls was going to prove Reinhard camps were hospitals again?

Not that I care...

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:18 pm

VFX wrote:
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What social science training and experience do you have, by the way?
Obviously more than you as well as other fields of science. With the exception of psychology, most social sciences, despite the name is not classed as science at all, including history, sociology and so on. I do not have an MA (hons) in Twiddly Winks like you seem to have.
Non-answer.

You have no ability to handle documents and testimonies, which is why I asked.
VFX wrote:You are correct, the witnesses to not count due to lack of hard empirical evidence to corroborate their statements,
That's, of course, not what I wrote.
VFX wrote:most likely Soviet inspired
Prove it, in the cases of Treblinka and Sobibor.
VFX wrote:Without those witnesses who have not been challenged there seems little else to support any of the claims. So the onus is on the Holocaustians to provide corroborating evidence to support the witnesses who are probably dead by now.
Pure gibberish.

Tell us Mr Scholar, have you read Schelvis' book?
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Re: Where is your evidence? A challenge to produce evidence.

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:18 pm

Darren Wilshak wrote:Which one of these trolls was going to prove Reinhard camps were hospitals again?

Not that I care...
Both.

This particular troll seems to be unaware that much of the evidence for the AR camps, including testimonies, was presented, challenged, reviewed, and dealt with in German trials.
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Post by VFX » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:23 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Tell us Mr Scholar, have you read Schelvis' book?
Have you read Dr Zeuss, I recommend "green eggs and ham" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Where is your evidence? A challenge to produce evidence.

Post by VFX » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:25 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote: This particular troll seems to be unaware that much of the evidence for the AR camps, including testimonies, was presented, challenged, reviewed, and dealt with in German trials.
I see you are resorting to your desperate name calling. You do this when you feel you are losing which you are btw.
Show trials where there was no cross examination of witnesses do not count. That is politics not Justice.
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Re: Where is your evidence? A challenge to produce evidence.

Post by scrmbldggs » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:31 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
VFX wrote:There were no murders at the Reinhardt camps for the most part. No evidence once those lie witnesses are discounted.
Define "lie witness" and show how, oh to take a name at random, Münzberger, mentioned in the links above, is one.
Maybe he could also add the true testimonies of all the hundreds of thousands that left the AR camps unscathed?

Yep, make it all of them, time is - obviously - not an issue.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:33 pm

Darren Wilshak wrote:Which one of these trolls was going to prove Reinhard camps were hospitals again?

Not that I care...
VFX. I think he has as much proof that these camps were part of a rogue SS operation.

So, in other words, nada.
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Re: Where is your evidence? A challenge to produce evidence.

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:35 pm

VFX wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote: This particular troll seems to be unaware that much of the evidence for the AR camps, including testimonies, was presented, challenged, reviewed, and dealt with in German trials.
I see you are resorting to your desperate name calling. You do this when you feel you are losing which you are btw.
Show trials where there was no cross examination of witnesses do not count. That is politics not Justice.
LOL You're trying to be funny again, right?

Anyway, now you're backing up and accusing Germany, not the Soviets. Anyway, defendants were represented by counsel in these trials, and documents, like Zabecki's train records, were compared to testimony. The court impeached some witnesses, throwing out testmonies that did not stand up. Might be time for you to read up on the cases, they're quite interesting.

I asked you for proof of your claims about the Soviets. Come on . . .

Speaking of which, for some reason you skipped over this:
Define "lie witness" and show how, oh to take a name at random, Münzberger, mentioned in the links above, is one.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:43 pm

VFX wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Tell us Mr Scholar, have you read Schelvis' book?
Have you read Dr Zeuss, I recommend "green eggs and ham" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
The idiot's way of saying, "No, I haven't, I'm making {!#%@} up as I go along."

Zeuss ... Zeus ... Zeiss ... no it was Suess who wrote "Green Eggs and Ham" you moron.
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Post by Balmoral95 » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:45 pm

VFX wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote: This particular troll seems to be unaware that much of the evidence for the AR camps, including testimonies, was presented, challenged, reviewed, and dealt with in German trials.
I see you are resorting to your desperate name calling. You do this when you feel you are losing which you are btw.
Show trials where there was no cross examination of witnesses do not count. That is politics not Justice.
Dude, there is no cross examination in German criminal trial practice.

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Post by VFX » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:55 pm

Balmoral95 wrote:
Dude, there is no cross examination in German criminal trial practice.
This does not matter, it shows huge flaws of just accepting statements or testimony at face value. if you wish to believe them so be it, it matters not. I certainly do not.
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Post by montgomery » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:57 pm

montgomery wrote:A wealth of information on the AR camps and on whether or not they actually existed as is claimed. Has anything new been claimed by the H.P. side since 2010?

https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=6055

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Post by VFX » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:59 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Zeuss ... Zeus ... Zeiss ... no it was Suess who wrote "Green Eggs and Ham" you moron.
Most of us say it like Dr. Zeus. Theodor Geisel is Dr. Seuss' real name and he took his pen name from his middle name, Seuss. He pronounces it Soice (or Zoice)
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VFX wrote:
Balmoral95 wrote:
Dude, there is no cross examination in German criminal trial practice.
This does not matter, it shows huge flaws of just accepting statements or testimony at face value. if you wish to believe them so be it, it matters not. I certainly do not.
If it didn't matter why did you post it?

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Post by montgomery » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:13 pm

VFX wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Zeuss ... Zeus ... Zeiss ... no it was Suess who wrote "Green Eggs and Ham" you moron.
Most of us say it like Dr. Zeus. Theodor Geisel is Dr. Seuss' real name and he took his pen name from his middle name, Seuss. He pronounces it Soice (or Zoice)
Now is that necessary? How would you like it if everybody picked up on all of your spelling and grammar mistakes? Why can't you just be nice and not keep feeling threatened by alternative P'sOV?

Not to dismiss your impressive knowledge of the good doctor!

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Zeuss ... Zeus ... Zeiss ... no it was Suess who wrote "Green Eggs and Ham" you moron.
Most of us say it like Dr. Zeus. Theodor Geisel is Dr. Seuss' real name and he took his pen name from his middle name, Seuss. He pronounces it Soice (or Zoice)[/quote]

Now is that necessary? How would you like it if everybody picked up on all of your spelling and grammar mistakes? Why can't you just be nice and not keep feeling threatened by alternative P'sOV?

Not to dismiss your impressive knowledge of the good doctor![/quote]

edit: oh well there's this silly quoting format again. I was trying to ask book-kid to fall into line.

book-kid said:
The idiot's way of saying, "No, I haven't, I'm making {!#%@} up as I go along."

Zeuss ... Zeus ... Zeiss ... no it was Suess who wrote "Green Eggs and Ham" you moron.

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Post by scrmbldggs » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:32 pm

Balmoral95 wrote:
VFX wrote:
Balmoral95 wrote:
Dude, there is no cross examination in German criminal trial practice.
This does not matter, it shows huge flaws of just accepting statements or testimony at face value. if you wish to believe them so be it, it matters not. I certainly do not.
If it didn't matter why did you post it?
Because...
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montgomery wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Zeuss ... Zeus ... Zeiss ... no it was Suess who wrote "Green Eggs and Ham" you moron.
Most of us say it like Dr. Zeus. Theodor Geisel is Dr. Seuss' real name and he took his pen name from his middle name, Seuss. He pronounces it Soice (or Zoice)[/quote]

Now is that necessary? How would you like it if everybody picked up on all of your spelling and grammar mistakes? Why can't you just be nice and not keep feeling threatened by alternative P'sOV?

Not to dismiss your impressive knowledge of the good doctor![/quote]

edit: oh well there's this silly quoting format again. I was trying to ask book-kid to fall into line.

book-kid said:
The idiot's way of saying, "No, I haven't, I'm making {!#%@} up as I go along."

Zeuss ... Zeus ... Zeiss ... no it was Suess who wrote "Green Eggs and Ham" you moron.




:hmm: >> edit: oh well there's this silly quoting format again.

says s/he who ran crying to the mod about "fake quotes" :heh:
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Do you think it was me who went crying to the mod eggs? You could ask him to be sure.

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Post by Balmoral95 » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:51 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:
Balmoral95 wrote:
VFX wrote:
Balmoral95 wrote:
Dude, there is no cross examination in German criminal trial practice.
This does not matter, it shows huge flaws of just accepting statements or testimony at face value. if you wish to believe them so be it, it matters not. I certainly do not.
If it didn't matter why did you post it?
Because...
I see.

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montgomery wrote:Do you think it was me who went crying to the mod eggs? You could ask him to be sure.
My handle is scrmbldggs. Please use it next time when you accuse me of somehow messing with another user's posts when said user posts something you don't like to hear.

Or when you screw up your own stuff. :lol:
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Post by Balmoral95 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:31 am

scrmbldggs wrote:
Balmoral95 wrote:
VFX wrote:
Balmoral95 wrote:
Dude, there is no cross examination in German criminal trial practice.
This does not matter, it shows huge flaws of just accepting statements or testimony at face value. if you wish to believe them so be it, it matters not. I certainly do not.
If it didn't matter why did you post it?
Because...
I'm still confused, so let's recap:

1)When he first got here he said all the Allied war crime trials were show trials. ( let's note that cross examination was part of the trial procedure)

2) Today he says subsequent German war crimes trials are show trials because there was no cross examination (ignoring the fact that cross examination isn't part of German criminal court procedure)

3) Confronted with #2 he then says #2 doesn't matter, he doesn't like the way evidence was accepted under German criminal court procedures, declares it bogus because he doesn't "believe".

So I guess we can conclude the following:

1) Allied war crimes trial weren't actually show trials as they included cross examination in their procedure

2) German criminal trials are all show trials (lack of cross examination) and are so because the trial procedure allows for evidence some people don't believe.

3) Or something....

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Post by scrmbldggs » Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:38 am

Seems he dismisses trials for their lack of cross examination which those type of trials naturally don't feature - because "it shows huge flaws" (of "just accepting statements or testimony at face value").

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scrmbldggs wrote:Seems he dismisses trials for their lack of cross examination which those type of trials naturally don't feature.


If I can't fly this car to the moon, then it is no car.

Or just a tawdry attempt to negate all the trials and any evidence appertaing thereto with a couple swipes of the magic wand....

Which is what you said, yo :mrgreen:

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:11 am

VFX wrote:
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Dude, there is no cross examination in German criminal trial practice.
This does not matter, it shows huge flaws of just accepting statements or testimony at face value. if you wish to believe them so be it, it matters not. I certainly do not.
It actually matters quite a bit. As balmoral and I told you, the trials of the defendants in the Einsatzgruppen cases took place according to the exact same norms and procedures under which any defendant was tried in Germany at the time. I further told you that statements and testimony were (a) not all that the courts reviewed and (b) not taken at face value (some witness claims were thrown out on various grounds). And, last, it is irrelevant to your disappearing defense of your own claim that the evidence for the Aktion Reinhard mass murder operation was "Soviet inspired doctrine."

Prove otherwise.
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VFX wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Zeuss ... Zeus ... Zeiss ... no it was Suess who wrote "Green Eggs and Ham" you moron.
Most of us say it like Dr. Zeus. Theodor Geisel is Dr. Seuss' real name and he took his pen name from his middle name, Seuss. He pronounces it Soice (or Zoice)
Google is your friend, I see.
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Balmoral95 wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:
Balmoral95 wrote:
VFX wrote:
Balmoral95 wrote:
Dude, there is no cross examination in German criminal trial practice.
This does not matter, it shows huge flaws of just accepting statements or testimony at face value. if you wish to believe them so be it, it matters not. I certainly do not.
If it didn't matter why did you post it?
Because...
I'm still confused, so let's recap:

1)When he first got here he said all the Allied war crime trials were show trials. ( let's note that cross examination was part of the trial procedure)

2) Today he says subsequent German war crimes trials are show trials because there was no cross examination (ignoring the fact that cross examination isn't part of German criminal court procedure)

3) Confronted with #2 he then says #2 doesn't matter, he doesn't like the way evidence was accepted under German criminal court procedures, declares it bogus because he doesn't "believe".

So I guess we can conclude the following:

1) Allied war crimes trial weren't actually show trials as they included cross examination in their procedure

2) German criminal trials are all show trials (lack of cross examination) and are so because the trial procedure allows for evidence some people don't believe.

3) Or something....
4) He judges the fairness of trials by whether or not the outcomes help his pet theories.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:15 am

Now is that necessary? How would you like it if everybody picked up on all of your spelling and grammar mistakes? Why can't you just be nice and not keep feeling threatened by alternative P'sOV?

Not to dismiss your impressive knowledge of the good doctor!
Not necessary at all, but called for. Face it, montgomery, your BFF is an idiot who gets basically everything wrong. You're in good company in a way.

Just curious: why do the two of you feel the need to answer simple, direct questions with flippant jokes that misfire and diversions?
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The crimes, if any, were not illegal at the time of their commitment. This is a basic keystone of western romanic jurisdiction called “Nulla poena sine lege” (There must not be punishment without a law) and the issues about “Ex post facto law”. People were executed and imprisoned by retrospective legislation which goes against the tenets of Western Democracy.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:56 am

VFX wrote:The crimes, if any, were not illegal at the time of their commitment. This is a basic keystone of western romanic jurisdiction called “Nulla poena sine lege” (There must not be punishment without a law) and the issues about “Ex post facto law”. People were executed and imprisoned by retrospective legislation which goes against the tenets of Western Democracy.
Murder has long been illegal, idiot. Also, accessory to murder. Even in Germany! Have you even bothered reading about the indictments in the Belzec, Treblinka and Sobibor trials? If you had, you would know, as apparently balmoral and I know, that the defendants were tried under the existing German penal code using the existing German legal process.

You are really too ignorant to be taken seriously. I think you even know it.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
VFX wrote:The crimes, if any, were not illegal at the time of their commitment. This is a basic keystone of western romanic jurisdiction called “Nulla poena sine lege” (There must not be punishment without a law) and the issues about “Ex post facto law”. People were executed and imprisoned by retrospective legislation which goes against the tenets of Western Democracy.
Murder has long been illegal, idiot. Also, accessory to murder. Even in Germany! Have you even bothered reading about the indictments in the Belzec, Treblinka and Sobibor trials? If you had, you would know, as apparently balmoral and I know, that the defendants were tried under the existing German penal code using the existing German legal process.
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In War it is not murder. There are other issues as well, but it is a little above you. You are about as basic as Nessie.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:03 am

"There are other issues as well, but it is a little above you" LOL another dodge and cop out, I see.

The murders in the Aktion Reinhard camps were not acts of war. Let me correct that, only in the conspiratorial mindset of the National Socialists and their kin was exterminating civilian Jews part of war.

In German law, as the AR trials found, the Nazi perpetrators were common criminals.

But thank you for your roundabout acknowledgment of the mass murder in the AR camps, even if you mistakenly describe that mass murder as an act of war.
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Honestly, "debating" with you is like shooting guppies in a fishbowl: it's stupid, and it's not fun.
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I do not see any convincing arguments from you, just a lot of talking with no substance. If you have claims show the evidence please in future. Thank you.
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montgomery wrote:Do you think it was me who went crying to the mod eggs? You could ask him to be sure.
No it was the arrogant intellectual one, with below average IQ. You know who I mean. Can't handle things and goes crying. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Where is your evidence? A challenge to produce evidence.

Post by VFX » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:25 am

Darren Wilshak wrote:Which one of these trolls was going to prove Reinhard camps were hospitals again?

Not that I care...
Why ask? How dumb is that. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Where is your evidence? A challenge to produce evidence.

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:29 am

VFX wrote:I do not see any convincing arguments from you, just a lot of talking with no substance. If you have claims show the evidence please in future. Thank you.
The idiot's way of saying, "I don't know why I am going on about German trials when I was making a point about Soviet chicanery, I don't know German law or processes, I got the EGs confused with the AR camps and I wasn't even right about the EGs, I actually am clueless so I will bray like an ass for a while."
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Re: Where is your evidence? A challenge to produce evidence.

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:31 am

VFX wrote:
montgomery wrote:Do you think it was me who went crying to the mod eggs? You could ask him to be sure.
No it was the arrogant intellectual one, with below average IQ. You know who I mean. Can't handle things and goes crying. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Sorry to have embarrassed you all.

Like stealing intellectual property, fabricating quotations and distorting what others say go beyond the pale, for me anyway. You were asked to knock it off, so I hope you do.
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